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#2535982 - 02/14/12 07:51 AM Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic
oiltard Offline


Registered: 09/27/11
Posts: 218
Loc: New Jersey, USA
I had posted a few UOA's here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2504849#Post2504849 (scroll down for a more readable version of the UOA report).

The Silicon, Aluminum, and Iron numbers were troubling to me. During the first interval, I chucked out my K&N washable and installed a Mann filter, which I understood to be pretty well regarded, and had therefore bought 3 of, very cheaply, on Rockauto.com.

Well, after the latest UOA, I decided that I had an air filtration problem. Pulled the PCV out and it looked fine. Checked all hoses and connections. And I was left stumped. I pulled the first Mann filter out of there and put in a new one after <10k miles of use.

Well, I went over the media section of that filter with a fine-toothed comb and could find no imperfection whatsoever. The other day, however, I decided to take a second look.

What I noticed was that the rubber gasket on the strange plastic frame-surrounded filter was cheap and junky. It didn't have as flexible and thick a rubber material as the Fram filter I had taken a peek at last time I was in the local Wal-mart.

I can't figure out why I didn't think of doing so sooner, but I searched Amazon for all the filters available for my car and found that other people have made this same complaint about this model of Mann filters. Surprisingly, the Wix filter for this application has significantly less media and is also not well liked. The Fram (which is not in any way orange), has a perfect 4-star rating.

Of course, the logical thing to do would be to buy the Fram filter at Wal-mart for $12, print the $2 rebate form off Amazon, and solve the entire problem for $10 even. Of course that's not what I did, but rather I ordered a Denso model that costs over 3 times that much. I can't wait until it comes so I can replace it and feel like I've alleviated this issue. I'm only about 1000 miles into the current OCI, so I hope there hasn't been too much accumulation of dirt as yet.

The morals of the story are twofold: If your car has a non-standard filter with a weird extended plastic frame like this one, don't rely on general "Brand X is good, Brand Y is bad" logic, but do the research. And secondly, never trust me to make a logical decision over an emotional one when it comes to maintaining my Civic. (That Denso filter better do my taxes and clip my toenails for the premium I paid for it over the Fram). Hopefully, by the time the Denso filter needs to get changed, I'll be better able to swallow my pride and use a product with the name Fram on it with confidence.
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#2535992 - 02/14/12 08:02 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: Atlanta
Is 7th gen up to 2005?

OEM from the dealer are like $15.00 although I don't recall who the actual manufacturer is.

Let us know how the Denso is, I normally like their stuff.
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#2535997 - 02/14/12 08:05 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
SLCraig Offline


Registered: 12/21/08
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Loc: London, ON, Canada
Good call. To be honest I have a Fram toughgard air filter in my 8th gen right now and when I first opened the box to even see if I wanted to buy it, it met my expectations just fine. It seems like a well made filter and although I am not doing UOA's, it seems to be doing its job just fine, and it fit well in the air filter box when I installed it.

I am sure the one for 3x the cost will be good too, though. ha!
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#2536057 - 02/14/12 08:58 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: DuckRyder]
oiltard Offline


Registered: 09/27/11
Posts: 218
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Is 7th gen up to 2005?


Yes indeed. 2001-2005. Previous generation had a "normal" rectangular drop-in style filter. The filter in question has a square or rectangular filter area, but it has an oddly-shaped plastic frame with a rubber gasket on the edge of it. Don't know why or what the later models have.

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
OEM from the dealer are like $15.00 although I don't recall who the actual manufacturer is.

Let us know how the Denso is, I normally like their stuff.


$15 from Majestic plus shipping, or $22+ locally. None of the dealerships seem to want to tell me who the manufacturer is. A local auto parts store told me 3 or 4 different brands were listed as OEM, and that list included some of the less well-regarded examples. I decided not to take the risk that the dealership would sell me something other than what the car had when it came off the line.

I will report back on the Denso once it arrives.
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#2536096 - 02/14/12 09:29 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
Chris Meutsch Offline


Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 2014
Loc: Cincinnati
I used Wix, K&N, Fram, Honda, Purolator on my 2001. Never did a UOA on it but it ran perfectly after 227k miles on my watch.
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#2536121 - 02/14/12 09:45 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: Chris Meutsch]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: Atlanta
I'm interested in the Denso, I've been using Honda but recall that the last one was visibly different from the existing one in the appearance (and color IIRC) of the filter media.

My dealer treats me pretty good as long as I deal with one specific parts guy. He seems to recognize that there are plenty of OEM Honda part discounters and rarely quotes a price that makes it worth my while to go else where wink
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#2536137 - 02/14/12 10:07 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: DuckRyder]
oiltard Offline


Registered: 09/27/11
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I'm interested in the Denso, I've been using Honda but recall that the last one was visibly different from the existing one in the appearance (and color IIRC) of the filter media.


Yeah, my understanding is that what you get over the counter at Honda isn't necessarily what was in the car when it rolled off the assembly line.

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
My dealer treats me pretty good as long as I deal with one specific parts guy. He seems to recognize that there are plenty of OEM Honda part discounters and rarely quotes a price that makes it worth my while to go else where wink


Wish I could say the same. Mine doesn't seem to care that I walk out and order from H and A or Majestic. They don't deviate from list price.

I'll try to get a few photos posted somewhere and definitely leave my thoughts on the Denso filter once it arrives. Looks to sell for up to $75 or $80 bucks, although I got it on Amazon for about $36. Looks like it has gray media, and plenty of it. Let's hope the gasket is quality. The one good thing about the K&N was that it was all rubber, no hard plastic, so I know it sealed well.

What color's your Civic? How many miles? Auto or manual and how is your fuel economy?
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#2536388 - 02/14/12 01:19 PM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: Atlanta
Quote:
What color's your Civic? How many miles? Auto or manual and how is your fuel economy?


Silver, Automatic, about 92,000 and usually around 36.
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#2537222 - 02/15/12 08:10 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
afoulk Offline


Registered: 01/29/08
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Loc: Palmyra, PA
I got a Purolater Classic filter for my Scion that was made much the same way, had a plastic frame with a rubber gasket around it and I was not impressed with the way it fit at all. Unfortunately, most of the aftermarket filters for my car are made the same way, some using a rubber gasket, others using a foam gasket glued to the top which usually isn't glued on straight. I finally went and got a factory Denso filter from my local toyota dealer and am much happier with it. My wife ordered me an AFE Pro Dry S filter for Valentines Day though, so I'm gonna give that a shot once this filter is done.
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#2537588 - 02/15/12 01:08 PM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
accent2012 Offline


Registered: 02/08/12
Posts: 441
Loc: Orlando, FL
Isn't Denso the ODM for the OEM air/oil filter for Toyota(scion) and Honda(acura)?
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#2537654 - 02/15/12 02:31 PM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: accent2012]
oiltard Offline


Registered: 09/27/11
Posts: 218
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Originally Posted By: accent2012
Isn't Denso the ODM for the OEM air/oil filter for Toyota(scion) and Honda(acura)?


Don't know, but wouldn't be surprised. I am pretty sure Denso was the original manufacturer of the O2 sensors and spark plugs.

But I'm very confident that the filters the Dealership is hocking for $15-$22 aren't Denso. Anyone work at a Honda dealership or know someone who does that can confirm who is currently making these for Honda in USA?
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#2538018 - 02/15/12 08:19 PM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
ltslimjim Offline


Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5217
Loc: FreelanceRoverRogerRabbit
^It could also depend on the app. New cars with warranties 'probably' still get the goods. I'd be surprised if the dealer still had air filters for my '92 Civic, on the other hand, at least 'original equipment' that is.
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#2538047 - 02/15/12 08:45 PM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
afoulk Offline


Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 1090
Loc: Palmyra, PA
Denso is oe for toyota/scion. The original air filter that came in mine from the factory was a denso made in japan. The replacement I bought at the dealer is a denso made in the usa. It looks just as good quality wise if not better than the japanese filter
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#2538125 - 02/15/12 09:43 PM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: afoulk]
ltslimjim Offline


Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5217
Loc: FreelanceRoverRogerRabbit
Originally Posted By: afoulk
Denso is oe for toyota/scion. The original air filter that came in mine from the factory was a denso made in japan. The replacement I bought at the dealer is a denso made in the usa. It looks just as good quality wise if not better than the japanese filter


Ha, this makes me want to just run down to the dealer for gags to see what their 'offering' would be for my '92. banana
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#2538234 - 02/16/12 12:11 AM Re: Air Filter for 7th Gen Civic [Re: oiltard]
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Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 562
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
AFE ProDryS (cone, for CAI) has consistently.given below 2ppm Si.
K&N oiled cone filter was giving 3-5ppm initially but after just 4k miles the numbers kept doubling...
OEM Mann panel filter gave 2-4ppm Si
AFE ProDryS panel (325i) gave 1-2ppm consistently
AFE ProDry panel (740i) has been in since I got the car practically and has never shown higher than 3ppm Si
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