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#2527868 - 02/07/12 01:58 AM Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN
vinu_neuro Offline


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What is going on with these oils?
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#2527879 - 02/07/12 02:53 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
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Looks like the new Ultra has a very low NOACK Volatility. High quality base oil. Probably be GTL oil from Shells' refinery in Bahrain. I am sure they both will be getting better and better.
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#2527882 - 02/07/12 03:28 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
vinu_neuro Offline


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I remember that data sheet linked from Shell. Was NOACK verified as accurate. Pennzoil site is still not updated with SN sheets.
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#2527961 - 02/07/12 07:45 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
CMMeadAM Offline


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NOACK was never verified as accurate and the use of GTL base oil is nothing but speculation.


Edited by CMMeadAM (02/07/12 07:46 AM)
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#2551356 - 02/28/12 01:46 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
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The technical support team at Pennzoil are really outstanding, friendly and helpful. He took a couple days to find out, but checked with the lead product engineer for Ultra and verified that the numbers on the pds are accurate. This will be my next oil. No idea if it's GTL or what.

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140006587313_201112051449.pdf


Edited by vinu_neuro (02/28/12 01:49 PM)
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#2551373 - 02/28/12 02:04 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
OVERKILL Offline


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That NOACK is insanely low........ like TOO low. Significantly lower than Redline, who had the lowest NOACK I can recall seeing.
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#2551386 - 02/28/12 02:15 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
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The NOACK values for GTL GP III+ oils are very good but are still higher than what Pennzoil is claiming for their oils.

Furthermore Pennzoil is claiming for their 5W-20 a lower NOACK percentage than their 5W-30? That would only be possible if the 5W-20 is using heavier base oils which makes no sense.

No I believe the numbers are wrong as all other knowledgeable members including Tom NJ.

Besides even if the numbers are what they should be for a GTL based oil I'm not all that impressed with the other stat's such as the below average VIs.
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#2551389 - 02/28/12 02:20 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: OVERKILL]
CMMeadAM Offline


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I quite agree ! Unbelievably low for a Grp III oil. This topic has gone round and round on here before with no real clarification/confirmation of PDS OR GTL base status.

Until then....PU = Pennzoil UNKNOWN !!!!

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#2553808 - 03/01/12 08:30 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
buster Offline


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I was looking the their oil comparison chart. Both PU/PP are really good oils.

PU may be the best combination of wear/cleanliness on the market now. Results based on SeqIIIG and IVA tests.

Still no PDS though.
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#2553854 - 03/01/12 09:15 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: buster]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: buster

Still no PDS though.

Try using the oil selector tool on Pennzoil's new website. The search results should show a link to the new PDS.
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#2553865 - 03/01/12 09:21 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
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#2553887 - 03/01/12 09:57 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
Towncivilian Offline


Registered: 01/07/11
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Loc: Florida, USA
Interesting, thanks for the link.

It looks like there's possibly a 0W-20 PDS, given that the PDF's title (right click -> Document Properties...) is "Microsoft Word - TDS Pennzoil Ultra GF-4 TDS SB1 without 0W-20.docx".
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#2947133 - 03/21/13 07:52 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: ltslimjim]
buster Offline


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Link doesn't work. Is anyone able to find the PDS's for Platinum 5w/10w30 SN?
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#2947150 - 03/21/13 08:13 PM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: buster]
KHP Offline


Registered: 08/01/11
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Originally Posted By: buster


Link doesn't work. Is anyone able to find the PDS's for Platinum 5w/10w30 SN?


Give this a try: Pennzoil Platinum SN TDS
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#2947314 - 03/22/13 01:21 AM Re: Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- SN [Re: vinu_neuro]
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Didmt the PQIA test just get a NOACK of 6.6% for Ultra? Putting it just slightly higher than the PDS
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