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#2473652 - 12/26/11 10:51 PM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: Durango]
steve20 Offline


Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 3041
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: Durango
Originally Posted By: smc733
Hi all,

I'm deciding on a new fuel for my 2011 corolla I will be getting in about a week.

These are the only top-tier stations in my area, with a few more Mobil than Shell stations. However, I hear Shell is better, because it has PEAs, is it true? I don't think Mobil has PEAs and I heard PBAs can actually cause their own deposits...




So I was thinking
-Shell whenever I can as soon as I see 1/2 tank
-Mobil/Exxon if I need it

-Anything else on my long trips that has a brand name, then Shell afterwards (top off before trip).

Thoughts?


smc733,

Both gasolines you mentioned are considered to be Top Tier but you should know that Shell gas isn't really mad by Shell. That part of the business is owned and made by Tesorio as I heard it. Mobil is still mad by Mobil.

Shell gas has their additive called "Nirogen" enriched and Mobil gas as I hear it has the most PEA additive in their product.

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Rarely do I see a posty as off-base as this one Durango.
After XOM acquired Mobil-the Mobil part of the gasoline business disappeared. XOM now sells the name Mobil to anyone who wants to buy it and stick it on their gas station. There is no such thing as a contract to buy Mobil gas----because it does not exist. Mobil station owners are free to purchase any gasoline they desire and sell it. I do not know where you got the information you posted, but it is completely false
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#2473904 - 12/27/11 09:37 AM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: smc733]
AuthorEditor Offline


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 1405
Loc: New York
So, Steve20, are you saying that what Top Tier says on its website is incorrect? They claim that every gasoline outlet showing the sign of one of the Top Tier gasolines must meet the standards:

Quote:
TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Retailers

Gasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.

In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.

Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.

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#2474953 - 12/28/11 03:12 AM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: steve20]
Nickdfresh Offline


Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 3162
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally Posted By: steve20
Originally Posted By: Durango
Originally Posted By: smc733
Hi all,

I'm deciding on a new fuel for my 2011 corolla I will be getting in about a week.

These are the only top-tier stations in my area, with a few more Mobil than Shell stations. However, I hear Shell is better, because it has PEAs, is it true? I don't think Mobil has PEAs and I heard PBAs can actually cause their own deposits...




So I was thinking
-Shell whenever I can as soon as I see 1/2 tank
-Mobil/Exxon if I need it

-Anything else on my long trips that has a brand name, then Shell afterwards (top off before trip).

Thoughts?


smc733,

Both gasolines you mentioned are considered to be Top Tier but you should know that Shell gas isn't really mad by Shell. That part of the business is owned and made by Tesorio as I heard it. Mobil is still mad by Mobil.

Shell gas has their additive called "Nirogen" enriched and Mobil gas as I hear it has the most PEA additive in their product.

Mail Clerk




Rarely do I see a posty as off-base as this one Durango.
After XOM acquired Mobil-the Mobil part of the gasoline business disappeared. XOM now sells the name Mobil to anyone who wants to buy it and stick it on their gas station. There is no such thing as a contract to buy Mobil gas----because it does not exist. Mobil station owners are free to purchase any gasoline they desire and sell it. I do not know where you got the information you posted, but it is completely false


This is the second baseless comment you've made regarding Exxon-Mobil. Personally, I don't really care all that much. I'm not a fan either, but that doesn't give you the right to make spit up on the internet about their products by masking opinion as some sort of insider fact...

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#2479876 - 01/02/12 12:20 AM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: needsducktape]
ffracer Offline


Registered: 02/11/06
Posts: 627
Loc: Watkins Glen, NY USA
Originally Posted By: needsducktape


Bingo! I can't tell you how many times I have seen the same fuel truck at several name brand gas stations in my town...


This is utter nonsense. I live near one of the locations that supplies your area and they add different additives, depending on brand, to base gasoline supplied by Sunoco's Philly refinery. Other locations are from NJ refineries or Hess/PDVSA or Canada and blend in the additive.

The only thing the same is the trucking company's name on the trucks.

I have seen standard EPA fuel used in fleets and the vehicles carboned up after 100k. Harder to clean it out then vs. later. So it matters.

The Mobil gasoline brand requires their standards, so it isn't some logo on generic product. Their gasoline exceeds EPA standards and have done so for many years. Surprise, it is the additives, the rest is government regulated by region.

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#2480009 - 01/02/12 08:35 AM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: smc733]
Boss302fan Offline


Registered: 11/07/09
Posts: 1819
Loc: Oconomowoc Wi
Does not show on the list but is BP/Amoco considered a good gas/Top tier? I wonder how up to date that list is...

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#2480193 - 01/02/12 12:21 PM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: Boss302fan]
jmsjags Offline


Registered: 10/16/09
Posts: 546
Loc: Richmond, VA
Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
Does not show on the list but is BP/Amoco considered a good gas/Top tier? I wonder how up to date that list is...

BP isn't technically top tier, but it had a great showing in a recent test:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/detergent-in-gas-helps-the-engine-run-cleaner-and-smoother-so-just-how-much-is-in-there%3F

one of the requirements for top tier is that ALL stations meet the requirements. so i'm not sure if individual BP stations have different amounts of additives or what. maybe the particular stations they tested had high detergents, but other BP stations do not? it would be cool if someone could get in contact with BP and get an answer to this.
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#2480401 - 01/02/12 03:46 PM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: jmsjags]
91344George Offline


Registered: 11/23/11
Posts: 1082
Loc: CA
Here is what BP corporate has to say about their gasolines.

Their detergent additive pack is called "invigorate" .

http://mybpstation.com/fuels/invigorate-faq/

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#2485706 - 01/07/12 01:51 PM Re: Shell vs Mobil/Exxon [Re: smc733]
tommygunn Offline


Registered: 01/27/11
Posts: 2333
Loc: usa
interesting point about Mobil smile. Locally I see lots of gloved oil fuel trucks and tankers... I think the only branded tanker I ever seen locally is racetrac nwith theory hot.dog SigmaTel on the side LOL. Never seen a 711 truck either... May have seen a sunoco truck though! Can't clearly recall...the Mobil finding is interesting... If they sell the name to anyone how can they be sure all Mobil stations are.giving top tier?

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