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#2442085 - 11/22/11 06:31 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: JOD]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 20988
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: JOD
The JOD thinks the turkey baster method is kind of a waste of time. The JOD did a fluid exchange through the reservoir on his V70 with a different colored fluid (blue) in an attempt to answer this question several years ago. When JOD bled the brake a year later, it appeared that the fluid hadn't really mixed that much, particularly for the first few pumps from the caliper.

The JOD believes in the principle of diffusion and all, but thinks in the real world it's more applicable to a system with rapidly traveling, re-circulating fluid and bigger lines, like power steering. The effect The JOD noticed doing this on brakes was very, very small (the amber fluid at the caliper briefly turned to "mixed", then all blue).


The JOD doesn't really like this, since it gives the appearances of the fluid being changed, and maybe leads to a bit of a "false sense of security", and now really questions if it's "better than nothing". To each his own, but The JOD will continue doing full flushes every 2-3 years and calling it a day.


The demar agrees.
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#2442099 - 11/22/11 06:50 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 9512
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Trav says. Don't sweat breaking a bleeder screw, it wont let air in so you wont be in a worse situation.
Just spray the screw overnight with PB. Kroil, Liquid Wrench etc then use a deep socket slightly larger than the bleeder.
Tap the socket with a small hammer 25-50 short quick blows to loosen any rust and work the PB down the threads, you want to hit the caliper right near the threads not the bleeder.

Take a small wrench while keeping slight pressure on it tap it with a small hammer repeatedly instead of exerting brute force on the bleeder.

Trav uses an air tool designed for this job but its the same principal and it works.
Trav recently removed some 17 yr old Toyota bleeders that have never been touched as far as i can tell or its been a very long time here in the rust belt.

This is the air hammer tool.

http://www.tooltopia.com/vacutec-12-080-1000.aspx


Edited by Trav (11/22/11 06:53 PM)
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#2442301 - 11/22/11 09:52 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
mechtech2 Offline


Registered: 09/05/06
Posts: 19479
Loc: Chicago Area
Oh yes... a turkey baster flush of the brake fluid can certainly mix and benefit the system. Thee is a lot of movement to mix eventually.
It has even fixed problems in my empirical experiences.

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#2442340 - 11/22/11 10:53 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
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Registered: 04/17/06
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Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change is not as good as full flush from bleeder screws, but it is better than doing nothing.
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#2442468 - 11/23/11 06:02 AM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: btanchors]
DaHen Offline


Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 377
Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: btanchors
DaHen,

The reservoir on my Lexus GS430 is similar. Instead of a turkey baster, I used the same suction pump I use for drawing oil samples for analysis, and a new, clean section of tubing (about 1/4"). This worked well and I was able to siphon all the fluid out of the reservoir.


Thanks for the suggestion.

I got some quarter inch tubing which is not stiff. (Tubing that is used on oxygen tanks). See if I can attach that onto a pump of some sort. Perhaps a pump off of a hair spray bottle.

I'll dig this stuff up and give it a try as soon as it stops raining up here in the Northeast.

Or just siphon the fluid out with this long tubing. What the heck, I've been know to make a mess or two. lol.
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#2444801 - 11/25/11 07:06 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: DaHen]
DaHen Offline


Registered: 03/26/10
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Loc: Massachusetts
[censored], That tubing was to stiff. Was able to feed it over into the reservoir but wouldn't dip down into the fluid.
Will have to try something else.
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#2444905 - 11/25/11 09:32 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
rslifkin Offline


Registered: 06/27/10
Posts: 2192
Loc: Stamford, CT / Rochester, NY
Alright. Once I get the 2 long highway runs in the next couple weeks out of the way, I'll see what happens if I try to loosen up the bleeder screws. In the meantime, I'll definitely hit them with some PB.
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#2445057 - 11/26/11 03:12 AM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: user52165]
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Registered: 11/24/09
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Loc: Orange Park, FL
Originally Posted By: user52165
Yup, it works. Not as good as complete bleed and flush, but good.........much better than nothing. Kudos for your efforts.

Might do again for the PS reservoir......... with a cleaned out or another baster. Better buy a new one for your Thanksgiving dinner (LOL).

BTW - bleed screws need little more than finger tight. Maybe 5 - 7 ft/lbs. A flare (line) wrench is best.
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#2446139 - 11/27/11 01:15 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: OilProfessor]
mva Offline


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 755
Loc: Northern BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: OilProfessor
The Professor recommends to "turkey baster" out the master cylinder resevoir, do a full bleed, and keep the resevoir topped off with fresh fluid. The Professor also recommends, to "turkey baster" the resevoir at every other, or every third OCI.


MVA agrees with the Professor's recommendations. MVA does the turkey baster plus a full gravity bleed every 3 to 4 years.

To be really through, on a vehicle with old brake fluid, after the first bleed, MVA would go out on a wet or gravel road and activate the antilock brakes. And then he would bleed the brakes again.

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#2447217 - 11/28/11 01:00 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
rslifkin Offline


Registered: 06/27/10
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Loc: Stamford, CT / Rochester, NY
^ I did do the ABS thing between the 2 turkey baster changes.
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#2447391 - 11/28/11 03:41 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: mva]
JOD Offline


Registered: 09/10/09
Posts: 3083
Loc: PNW/WA
Originally Posted By: mva

To be really through, on a vehicle with old brake fluid, after the first bleed, MVA would go out on a wet or gravel road and activate the antilock brakes. And then he would bleed the brakes again.

smile


The JOD did this on a friend's CR-V that hadn't had a brake fluid flush during its first 8 years of life. The JOD went out to a wet parking lot to "open up the ABS module" after bleeding (with plans to do a second bleed). Then, he learned a really important lesson: not all cars made in '03 came standard with anti-lock brakes shocked2 shocked2 blush duh duh

The JOD won't be making that mistake again anytime soon...

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#2447586 - 11/28/11 07:08 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9776
Loc: Illinois
I've been doing this for many years(with each oil change) with very good success. I also do the PS pump as well.
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#2448466 - 11/29/11 05:45 PM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: rslifkin]
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Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 2979
Loc: moutain country
same here.i also do the tranny fluid twice a year...i never have to drop the tranny pan i just aspirate 7qts tranny fluid twice a year...tranny fluid always clean and freash smelling.
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#2453670 - 12/05/11 10:13 AM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: boxcartommie22]
Vikas Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 8051
Loc: NorthEast
Some comments about brake fluid change using turkey baster

1) I realized that my turkey baster leaks pretty badly at sucking the brake fluid from the reservoir
2) There is NOT much fluid in a typical reservoir to extract; no more than couple of ozs before I started worrying about getting the level too low and introducing air.

Do you need to stay away from dollar stores when I pick up my turkey basters?

- Vikas

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#2454542 - 12/06/11 08:01 AM Re: Turkey Baster Brake Fluid Change [Re: Vikas]
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Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 300
Loc: New England, USA
Go to the local decent drug store and get a 'booger ball', the blue/green rubber suction balls (for noses) the hospitals give you when you have a baby. Seriously. They are the best things for suctioning master cylinders; they are impervious to brake fluid and the nozzle is pretty thin so it gets in to smaller areas like divided reservoirs.

Our initial pediatrician was a Porsche guy, we got talking cars and he sent me home w/ a bunch of these.
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