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#2432836 - 11/12/11 05:09 PM Cruze Clutch Problems
sciphi Offline


Registered: 03/24/07
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Loc: Upstate NY
This isn't on my car. It's on a cruzetalk's member's 2011 Cruze Eco. The guy's screenname on there is TravsCruze, and he gave me permission to re-post these photos.

The clutch was gone after 5500 miles. That did include 14 drag launches around 3000 RPM.

Here's the link to the thread: Cruze Clutch Photos

Now, photos re-posted with permission:































This is worrying me for longevity. A few other clutches have gone out around 8-10k miles, with normal driving reported. Nobody has enough miles on their car to know if the OEM clutch will make it to 100k miles yet. So far, the evidence is that the Cruze's clutch has a short lifespan.

I've already started pricing out aftermarket replacements. It's irritating to me that the clutch on my car might need replacing around the time it needs its first set of tires. I can do it myself, but it's still irritating and an expense that should not be needed at 20-25k miles. Fortunately the clutch in my Cruze Eco hasn't shown signs of weakness yet at 6k miles.

Time will tell.
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#2432847 - 11/12/11 05:21 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
LT4 Vette Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
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Loc: USA
That's why you should avoid buying a new model vehicle for the first few years. By the 3rd year *most* bugs have been resolved for any car maker.

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#2432855 - 11/12/11 05:31 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
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I agree. First year of the generation almost always have the most issues. Hopefully it was a rare case or gm issues a tsb soon
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#2432856 - 11/12/11 05:35 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
Tegger Offline


Registered: 03/20/06
Posts: 1373
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: sciphi
I've already started pricing out aftermarket replacements. It's irritating to me that the clutch on my car might need replacing around the time it needs its first set of tires.

I am completely baffled as to why anybody would attempt his own non-dealer repair on a brand-new car with less than 6K miles on it.

This car is still very much under warranty. The purchase price of the car contained the cost of a new-car powertrain warranty. Why would you not let a GM dealer deal with this (and with GM) before expending your own labor and money on this problem?

For all you know, the problem might have been the adjustment mechanism, not the clutch assembly itself. LuK is also an OEM to Toyota, by the way. But who made the adjuster mechanism?



Edited by Tegger (11/12/11 05:41 PM)
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#2432859 - 11/12/11 05:39 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: Tegger]
bdcardinal Offline


Registered: 06/03/05
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Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: sciphi
I've already started pricing out aftermarket replacements. It's irritating to me that the clutch on my car might need replacing around the time it needs its first set of tires.

I am completely baffled as to why anybody would attempt his own non-dealer repair on a brand-new car with less than 6K miles on it.

This car is still very much under warranty. The purchase price of the car contained the cost of a new-car powertrain warranty. Why would you not let a GM dealer deal with this (and with GM) before expending your own labor and money on this problem?



Clutches are rarely covered under warranty. I have only seen it done once and that was on a 2007 GT500 which had a TSB for a specific noise concern.

I wouldn't see this being covered especially since the owner stated he did hard launches at a drag strip. I have seen a Mazda 3 with 100, yes 100 miles on it and the flywheel was purple from being so hot. Mazda flat denied the warranty coverage when their rep drove with the cars owner in another manual car and it was obvious he couldn't drive a stick to save himself.
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#2432860 - 11/12/11 05:39 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
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Registered: 05/08/11
Posts: 753
Loc: Pittsburgh PA
Here is my likely unpopular answer:

Keep it in perspective,
Remember this is the age of the internet.

As an owner of a restaurant told me once, if someone comes in and has a great dining experience they may tell one or two people. On the other hand, if they have a BAD experience they will tell everyone they know.

-Add the internet into the equation, and a few people can make it look as if there is MASS problems.

Until it happens to you, drive as you normally would and sleep soundly at night...
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#2432863 - 11/12/11 05:45 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: bdcardinal]
Tegger Offline


Registered: 03/20/06
Posts: 1373
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
I have seen a Mazda 3 with 100, yes 100 miles on it and the flywheel was purple from being so hot. Mazda flat denied the warranty coverage when their rep drove with the cars owner in another manual car and it was obvious he couldn't drive a stick to save himself.

But this vehicle exhibits signs of no contact at all, not overheating. Totally different thing. My personal belief is that the problem has to do with the adjuster, not the clutch assembly. Did anybody bother to check the adjuster, and the freeplay?
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#2432867 - 11/12/11 05:50 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20510
Loc: Colorado Springs
I doubt the problem has to do with clutch adjustment (especially with a hydraulic clutch). Looks like the flywheel, pressure plate, or disk isn't perfectly flat/machined correctly or warped.

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#2432881 - 11/12/11 06:11 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 33210
Loc: New Jersey
Did I get it right that these were drag launches on a car designed for economy of operation?

First year car or not, I'll bet that if the driver is drag racing a new economy car, he is also driving overly hard and misusing a car that isn't designed for that use.

I'm not concerned. IMO it is end user error.

Is the engine stock or is the owner trying to run a tune on it too?

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#2432882 - 11/12/11 06:11 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 23502
Loc: ME
A bum clutch is something for which the aftermarket or the OE can cobble together a workable replacement with new materials or design that will bolt-in by the time most need it. Shoot, even if you have to change your flywheel to match a newer model year clutch system, that's only an extra hundred bucks usually.

OT I rode in a cruze LT 1.8 rental today. Driver is a spaz but the transmission and DBW were all over the place. Seems if you let off the gas, it will hold a low gear/ high revs for a while.

15k miles, CEL on. The rest of the car was decent. I probably could have driven it way better too, and if it has learning software for the transmission it would have calmed down.

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#2432883 - 11/12/11 06:14 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
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Loc: New Jersey
Cel on a 15k car - don't blame the car for anything.

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#2432907 - 11/12/11 06:51 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
MrHorspwer Offline


Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 847
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: sciphi
This isn't on my car. It's on a cruzetalk's member's 2011 Cruze Eco. The guy's screenname on there is TravsCruze, and he gave me permission to re-post these photos.

The clutch was gone after 5500 miles. That did include 14 drag launches around 3000 RPM.

This is worrying me for longevity. A few other clutches have gone out around 8-10k miles, with normal driving reported. Nobody has enough miles on their car to know if the OEM clutch will make it to 100k miles yet. So far, the evidence is that the Cruze's clutch has a short lifespan.

I've already started pricing out aftermarket replacements. It's irritating to me that the clutch on my car might need replacing around the time it needs its first set of tires. I can do it myself, but it's still irritating and an expense that should not be needed at 20-25k miles. Fortunately the clutch in my Cruze Eco hasn't shown signs of weakness yet at 6k miles.

Time will tell.


From another one of TravsCruze posts:

"just for fun I went and thrashed my brand new Eco Cruze (its got about 600 miles on it [it was a dealer trade and had 300 miles on it after coming from texas to central ark]) down the track a handful of times for ya'll tonight. Sorry its not a 1/4 mile, but 1000' is as big as it gets here"

600 miles? He also says the launches were at 4,000 RPM, not 3,000... which likely means a few of them were more like 5,500.

Oh yeah, this little gem from the same thread:

"But THIS weekend should be even more fun as I got my trifecta tune last night."

A tuned Cruze that was beat on early in it's life is now having clutch problems? Must be a bad design! shrug

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#2432914 - 11/12/11 06:57 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: kozanoglu]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 10384
Loc: Amherst, OH
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
That is the new GM for you.Which is same old GM.



Go away.
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#2432920 - 11/12/11 07:02 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: sciphi]
sciphi Offline


Registered: 03/24/07
Posts: 8296
Loc: Upstate NY
Here's an example of a clutch gone at 8k miles on a bone-stock car: http://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/34-1-4l-turbo/4373-burnt-clutch.html

Thread about grinding not caused by operator error: http://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/25-service-issues/3783-grinding-during-hard-shift-2nd-3.html

User error can account for some of it. What about the grinding and failed clutches on the stock cars?


Edited by sciphi (11/12/11 07:02 PM)
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#2432925 - 11/12/11 07:08 PM Re: Cruze Clutch Problems [Re: david_ES2]
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Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 1340
Loc: Louisville,KY
Originally Posted By: david_ES2
I agree. First year of the generation almost always have the most issues. Hopefully it was a rare case or gm issues a tsb soon
Thread Golf TDI VS Cruze so guys there were screaming that Cruze has reliable record bla bla bla, since it was sold in Korea for several years. Here you go. Here is your reliability. It also mentioned that clutch went out on Daily Driven cars after 8k-10k, not that particular "ricer wanna be".
Feel sorry for the guys who will need to deal with it.


Edited by zyxelenator (11/12/11 07:10 PM)
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