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#2432078 - 11/11/11 05:26 PM Opinion on Havoline oil
cjohns79ut Offline


Registered: 10/20/11
Posts: 58
Loc: Tennessee
What is everyone's opinion on Havoline?

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#2432094 - 11/11/11 05:38 PM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
juanw Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 32
Loc: north carolina
As someone who has used this oil on and off for the last eight years, the only downside(s) to the current formula is IMHO:

1. It is on the very thin side. Even using 10w-30, leaks appeared in my motors where they had not been before.
2. Not quite loaded with moly as the previous formula.
3. Can be hard to locate. Trying to find anything other than the regular Deposit Shield dino is impossible.

Otherwise, every engine of mine has like it and it has looked good, even with one year OCIs or about 5000 miles, when drained. But I do not have any Blackstone proof.

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#2432112 - 11/11/11 05:52 PM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
chubbs1 Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 4574
Loc: Merritt Island FL, USA
I am kind of disappointed in this new formulation, it's not because of the additive package either. It appears in testing it didn't even pass the NOACK volatility requirements set forth by the API/ILSAC and I just think there are better options out there. PEAK conventional and "syn" is a better option if you are looking for a lesser priced oil.

Havoline will work though and it definitely isn't a terrible oil and I would use it if I had to (and trust it) but it would not be my first choice.
Go with PYB, any Valvoline, Mobil or GTX and you will have made a great choice.
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#2432170 - 11/11/11 06:52 PM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 9079
Loc: Clovis, CA
Somebody on here said that Chevron Supreme has a better additive
package than Havoline, but I can't remember who said it. shrug

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#2432229 - 11/11/11 08:08 PM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
zerosoma Offline


Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 2233
Loc: south dakota, usa
In the past Havoline has been a fantastic oil to use, but it seems with the new SN formulation a lot of oils are not as good as their previous SM formulation and unfortunately Havoline falls as a victim to that.

It's not a bad oil, but I would keep looking.
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#2432271 - 11/11/11 08:38 PM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
GMorg Offline


Registered: 01/29/06
Posts: 2326
Loc: Mizzou-land
Can anyone show any parameter or condition where SN oils are not performing as well as SM oils?

I have used Havoline sporadically for about 40 years. I have never seen anything to make me think that it has performed poorly so far. The 30 weights have been on the thin side of late, but some would see that as a good thing.

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#2432392 - 11/11/11 11:53 PM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
Scott88 Offline


Registered: 11/30/10
Posts: 110
Loc: NC
I use Havoline conventional motor oil 99% of the time as that is the oil my dad was in the habit of using. Plus it's easily found, it's reasonablly priced and it's all I need for 3-5K mile changes... I don't really have a reason to change brands as he has taken 4-5 cars past 250K miles in the past decade...2 over 300K. Yes, I understand formulations change.

Sure, there are better oils out there but at the end of 100K miles, or 200K or even 300K, will it matter if you ran Havoline DS or PYB, VWB, etc?? I doubt it. That being said, I don't have issue with running other oils, and if your looking for a high mileage or a synthetic blend oil, SOPUS and Ashland products are easy to find.


Edited by Scott88 (11/12/11 12:06 AM)
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#2432395 - 11/12/11 12:12 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
Ramblin Fever Offline


Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 1627
Loc: Timberline
Used Havoline for years in numerous vehicles, up till about 5yrs ago....just can't find it anymore...got tired of dealing with a hard to find oil and said forget it.

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#2432567 - 11/12/11 09:57 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: GMorg]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 6959
Loc: Rochester NY
Originally Posted By: GMorg
Can anyone show any parameter or condition where SN oils are not performing as well as SM oils?

I have used Havoline sporadically for about 40 years. I have never seen anything to make me think that it has performed poorly so far. The 30 weights have been on the thin side of late, but some would see that as a good thing.


I agree completely!

Through our(siblings) growing up and driving years(50's, 60's & 70's), we used only ESSO(Uni-Flo, SuperFlo, Plus) oils as Dad owned an ESSO/Exxon station/franchise. Since Dad retired in the 1970's and we/he used up the stash, I have been on a kick of Havoline oils since I discovered National Auto Parts(a.k.a.-Whitlock Co.- Wheels, Parts America/Sears, & Adv.Auto Parts).

I found Havoline oils to be on sale all the time and even Hav's regular prices beat other oil prices when [they] were on sale. Havoline Rebates to boot especially in the 80's & 90's added to the splendor. I have never know Havoline to be subpar!

Now after discovering BITOG, I buy any oil(held in high regrard here at Bob's) on sale, closeout, rebate, whatever! Including Havoline smile
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#2983843 - 04/25/13 08:25 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: Char Baby]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 3519
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
In doing some research I thought I would resurrect this thred.
It seems the newer Havoline, which is made by Chevron, is getting a bad rap. I don't know why. From what I have read it's just Chevron Supreme in a Chevron stamped bottle with a Havoline label. And we all know Chevron makes some very good oil.
Opinions? shrug
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#2983848 - 04/25/13 08:29 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
DragRace Offline


Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 2327
Loc: 1/4 Mile Track
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
In doing some research I thought I would resurrect this thred.
It seems the newer Havoline, which is made by Chevron, is getting a bad rap. I don't know why. From what I have read it's just Chevron Supreme in a Chevron stamped bottle with a Havoline label. And we all know Chevron makes some very good oil.
Opinions? shrug


My dad used Havoline for YEARS! I've used it alot and am currently using Havoline in our crown victoria,which holds up better then the Mobil Super 5000 we were running.

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#2983852 - 04/25/13 08:34 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: DragRace]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 3519
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
In doing some research I thought I would resurrect this thred.
It seems the newer Havoline, which is made by Chevron, is getting a bad rap. I don't know why. From what I have read it's just Chevron Supreme in a Chevron stamped bottle with a Havoline label. And we all know Chevron makes some very good oil.
Opinions? shrug


My dad used Havoline for YEARS! I've used it alot and am currently using Havoline in our crown victoria,which holds up better then the Mobil Super 5000 we were running.

DR, what is the RWHP on your Mustang? What brand supercharger are you running @ boost psi? slobber
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#2983858 - 04/25/13 08:42 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
DragRace Offline


Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 2327
Loc: 1/4 Mile Track
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
In doing some research I thought I would resurrect this thred.
It seems the newer Havoline, which is made by Chevron, is getting a bad rap. I don't know why. From what I have read it's just Chevron Supreme in a Chevron stamped bottle with a Havoline label. And we all know Chevron makes some very good oil.
Opinions? shrug


My dad used Havoline for YEARS! I've used it alot and am currently using Havoline in our crown victoria,which holds up better then the Mobil Super 5000 we were running.

DR, what is the RWHP on your Mustang? What brand supercharger are you running @ boost psi? slobber


Vortech Supercharger 10-12psi usually.
500+/- hp depending on which pulley setup I use atm.

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#2983862 - 04/25/13 08:44 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: cjohns79ut]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 6959
Loc: Rochester NY
I'll jump aboard again!

I have a stash of Havoline DS 5W20 & 5W30 in SN/GF-5 and it's been working very well as expected in all engines, mainly 4 cyls.

As our "Tom NJ" always shares with us, the PQIA results shows Havoline DS to be a fine oil that easily meet spec along with it's rivals.

Since Havoline went to the new Deposit Shield(DS), their price went way up and I don't see rebates any longer. Where as, when I started using Havoline, it was always a great dino oil and priced near the store brand oils...then, often put on sale by that store and there was often a MFG Rebate. Thus, bringing the cost of the oil to the .49-.69 cents/qt making Havoling the steel to buy.

My last purchace was ~ $1.49/qt when AAP put it on sale and I had an InStore Coupon to use as well(no rebate). This is the only way I could buy Havoline at a better price. I still use Havoline oil and like & trust it very much smile

Today(right now), AAP has a 5qt jug with a DriveWorks filter for $16.99. It's not the bargin price that Havoline used to be but, not bad for today.



Edited by Char Baby (04/25/13 08:48 AM)
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#2983880 - 04/25/13 09:00 AM Re: Opinion on Havoline oil [Re: Char Baby]
Kruse Offline


Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 3034
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Char Baby

Since Havoline went to the new Deposit Shield(DS), their price went way up and I don't see rebates any longer. Where as, when I started using Havoline, it was always a great dino oil and priced near the store brand oils...


While I can't give you the exact price, the last time I walked through the WM oil aisle, SuperTech was the lowest priced oil and the next highest was an almost tie between Mobil and Havoline. I've used Havoline in the past with no problems. I'd probably some Havoline this week....except TropArtic is now on sale locally.

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