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#2411240 - 10/20/11 01:46 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
Drew99GT Online   happy


Registered: 10/11/02
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#2411337 - 10/20/11 03:14 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Drew99GT]
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The days of sitting it out in an index fund or finding a mutual fund worth half a [censored] are over. Heck, 90% of managed funds can't even beat the S&P 500. Some of the best funds over the recent years like FAIRX or CGMFX have turned to dog meat by managers trying to beat the market.


Index funds aren't actively managed. I generally agree with you on human-managed mutual funds; I usually stay out of those.
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#2411495 - 10/20/11 05:51 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Took a nice profit on EXM & MSFT a few days ago!

Now waiting for AA, HRB & ESI to go higher for the sell.
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#2411832 - 10/21/11 05:45 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: doitmyself]
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Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Move all of my and my wife's 401k out of stock funds and into money market and cash equivalent (Fidelity stable whatever since they don't have money market).


I am rather naive about this stuff and have my retirement funds with a well diversified TIAA-CREFF plan. I review and make minor changes at least twice a year.

Tell me if I am wrong about Panda Bear's move. I was under the assumption that if you have many years to go before retirement, it is better to let your stock portion sit in the stocks (assuming not ALL your investment is there) during these times. In simple terms, during these times you will accumulate more stock shares during the lows, then when it goes back up, you will have higher gains.

Correct, more or less? Of course there are lots of variables and my scenario is for when some of your funds are also in safer areas (diversified). Comments?


A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. If Panda thought the market was going to crash, then he's out and relatively safer. OTOH, have you checked what money market, etc accounts earn? I don't call 0.05% return on my hard earned money safe at all. That said, look at my earlier posts. At any given moment with the market not in an uptrend, I have upwards of 80% money in cash - and frankly my gut churns more in those cases, than when I'm 80% in some form of investment when the market is rallying. Right now I'm somewhere in between, point being I am beating interest paying accounts and the market.

No you can't always beat the market, but you can follow ride the herd with market leaders and know to get out when your picked leaders are off 7-8%. This is the best, easiest and toughest of all investment rules. But you just must know the statistics are with you. If any stock is down 8% from your purchase price, sell it. Don't ride it, don't double down, don't wait. Sell it and learn what was wrong with your choice. A related rule, buy more on the way up. Ah such a tough thing to do.............

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#2412179 - 10/21/11 02:54 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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I try to buy equities with high dividend yield, which so long as the company is sound and dividend stays solid, yields DCA when the price is down. I dont exactly follow the 8% rule but it depends upon the situation.

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#2412188 - 10/21/11 03:00 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: JHZR2]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I try to buy equities with high dividend yield, which so long as the company is sound and dividend stays solid, yields DCA when the price is down. I dont exactly follow the 8% rule but it depends upon the situation.


I hear you. It's tough with the PF picks, but I've been burned with them enough to truly buy the dips (which is pushing the rules actually). Most, but not all, are pretty good companies and the huge chunks of change "randomly" fired in in the owner's direction are nothing to shake a stick at. I mean I have a mess of them up 10%, 15%, 20%+ and they are still giving me money? What's up with that? LOL whistle slobber

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#2412197 - 10/21/11 03:08 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Pablo]
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I own PDLI that has a 10.4% Dividend. banana
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#2412214 - 10/21/11 03:32 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Turk]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Originally Posted By: tpitcher
I own PDLI that has a 10.4% Dividend. banana



Yeah watch that pig tank like a dog when they cut the dividend. banana grin2

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#2412229 - 10/21/11 03:44 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Pablo]
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
I own PDLI that has a 10.4% Dividend. banana



Yeah watch that pig tank like a dog when they cut the dividend. banana grin2


OK! crackmeup
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#2414178 - 10/23/11 09:46 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Turk]
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Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Just a heads up. I am selling about 5-6 equities tomorrow.

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#2417392 - 10/26/11 10:01 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Anyone getting a Greek haircut?

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#2418129 - 10/27/11 05:47 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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Registered: 09/02/05
Posts: 2959
Loc: MIchigan
Anyone take profits today? I would be soon if you didn't today....it's way over-extended.

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#2418144 - 10/27/11 06:05 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Warstud]
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Originally Posted By: Warstud
Anyone take profits today? I would be soon if you didn't today....it's way over-extended.


Hear ya.....

I took profits in a couple stocks that went way up a couple days ago, but that's ok, I did well. thumbsup

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#2418169 - 10/27/11 06:27 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Turk]
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I wouldn't say WAY over extended, but I've taken some cash off the table. We are still in a well confirmed uptrend - I have not checked today's volume in depth.

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#2418877 - 10/28/11 02:44 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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Based on stuff I've read on here, I bought a chunk of Alcoa stock earlier this week...Tuesday maybe. Timing on that couldn't have been better. I haven't taken anything out yet. Maybe today.
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