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#2396058 - 10/04/11 01:21 PM Worst or most problematic car you've owned?
volk06 Offline


Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 4261
Loc: .
So far mine is a 2005 Grand Prix. I've owned it for a year now and bought it with 54,000 miles. It now has 73,000 miles and have replaced the following:

Tie rods/sway bars were worn causing clunking, shaking, and uneven tread wear.
Engine was over heating at stops: New thermostat, coolant flush and ended up having to replace water pump.

New problems:
A valve cover is now leaking oil, slowly.
My passenger front wheel bearing is getting worn out.
My transmission is now clunking going from reverse to drive.

The best part is the engine, good power and good fuel economy and is comfortable for my 30 min commute to work. With that being said though, it will be gone within a year.


Whats your most problematic car you've owned?


Edited by volk06 (10/04/11 01:21 PM)
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#2396066 - 10/04/11 01:31 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
FirstNissan Offline


Registered: 12/05/10
Posts: 624
Loc: KS
2004 Chevy Impala. Got it from my FIL, he bought it new, I got it years later with about 35K on the odo. FIL garaged it, OCI was 3K dino, and dealership visits for any regular maintenance.
In my 2 years of ownership, all 4 brakes done (had already been done by my FIL once!), all interior door handles were falling off, dash rattle, engine rebuild, numerous electrical problems such as windows failing and lights-out, transmission failure at 60K caused me to finally sell it for dirt-cheap.

Total piece of garbage and a money-pit.
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#2396072 - 10/04/11 01:36 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
SLCraig Offline


Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 5274
Loc: London, ON, Canada
My 1996 Saturn SL2
I loved the car and it never actually let me down per se, but it had so many stupid issues. Sunroof, power windows, rear defrost, ignition cylinder, other typical wear stuff of course, but overall, just an oddly problematic car. Still ran good though and pulled strong, right until I sold it this spring. For some reason, I miss it.
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#2396073 - 10/04/11 01:38 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 1957
Loc: Cincinnati
Two posts, two GM cars. Not a good start. I believe GM really was at its worst between 2000-2008. My family's GM's from the late 80's/through the 90's were pretty reliable and everything worked on them when we sold them.

I guess "my" worst would be my wife's first car, a 1994 Mazda 626. Transmission constantly leaked, MAF sensor went bad, fuel injectors clogged.

EDIT:
I totally forgot about the 1994 Dodge Caravan, thanks Hokiefyd for reminding me. That thing was offensively bad. Suspension parts all the way around multiple times, transmission went at 100k, multiple water pumps, A/C broke once a year, 02 sensor two years from new, driver's door hinge cracked off the body.


Edited by Chris Meutsch (10/04/11 01:44 PM)
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#2396077 - 10/04/11 01:41 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 10959
Loc: North Carolina
Ours was a 2007 Chrysler Town & Country. Bought it brand new off the lot and kept it for about 3 years and 45k miles or something like that.

Things replaced under warranty:

* powertrain wiring harness
* two A/C compressors (and even the 2nd replacement one was noisy)
* one alternator
* two pairs of sway bar bushings
* one rear wheel ABS sensor
* two serpentine belt tensioners
* A/C leak into interior

Things replaced or work done myself, due to bad dealership experiences:

* three additional pairs of sway bar bushings (I'd have to do these about once every 8-10 months)
* remove front seats and front carpet to dry out the A/C interior leak (dealer wouldn't do it)
* two additional rear wheel ABS sensors (out of 3/36 warranty on those)
* both outer tie rod ends (out of 3/36 warranty on those)

We loved the van, but it was an absolute money pit, and both the Chrysler-Jeep and Dodge dealers here were not pleasant to deal with. Chrysler Corporate was poor as well. They stiffed me a day on the rental car they promised me when the van was in for the A/C interior leak. That week turned into a real debacle.



Edited by Hokiefyd (10/04/11 01:51 PM)
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#2396085 - 10/04/11 01:45 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 09/04/09
Posts: 294
Loc: SW VA
1983 Ford Mustang I drove in college. Bought in 1986 with 40K miles on it, transmission rebuilt at 60K miles, hard to start, burned a quart of oil every 1K. After I graduated, drove for 2 more years until my wife refused to ride in it because smoke would come out from the front wheel wells at stoplights. Got $800 bucks for it in 1990 with 80K on the odo.
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#2396087 - 10/04/11 01:46 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
swirlparanoid Offline


Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 184
Loc: in
(anxiously awaits the american vs foreign argument that's inevitably about to happen) grin

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#2396090 - 10/04/11 01:49 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: swirlparanoid]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 10959
Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: swirlparanoid
(anxiously awaits the american vs foreign argument that's inevitably about to happen) grin


And I so very sincerely hope it doesn't, but agree that it probably eventually will.
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#2396093 - 10/04/11 01:51 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Hokiefyd]
volk06 Offline


Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 4261
Loc: .
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: swirlparanoid
(anxiously awaits the american vs foreign argument that's inevitably about to happen) grin


And I so very sincerely hope it doesn't, but agree that it probably eventually will.


That is not my intention with thread. If it does I'll ask the mods to freeze the thread.
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#2396098 - 10/04/11 01:57 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 12485
Loc: Chicago, IL
My Ford Contour.

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#2396101 - 10/04/11 02:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
John_K Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 2276
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
Wife's 1998 Buick LeSabre, POS edition, biggest pile I've ever suffered through owning. From things falling off to electrical issues to the LIM gaskets and much, much more, it was just one thing after another starting at just 25k miles. Last piece of GM junk we'll ever own! crush

John
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#2396102 - 10/04/11 02:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 4108
Loc: Michigan
1991 GMC Syclone. Seems like I had to fix it every time I drove it. It wasn't necessarily the truck's fault though. I bought it from a guy that had been drag-racing it. He had the front driveshaft out of it when I took it for a test drive. I should have known better, but I just had to have it. I drove it for 2 years, fixing stuff on it as I went along, then sold it to a guy for not too much less than I bought it for.

My but that thing was fun when I pulled out to pass!
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#2396103 - 10/04/11 02:05 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
RoGuE Offline


Registered: 02/05/08
Posts: 550
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Our 1991 Dodge Caravan (it was nice, top of the line everything for the day) was a money pit. Off the top of my head: bad electrical system that had to be rewired in some place, went through a battery every other year, multiple replacements of engine mounts, gauge cluster that died 2 or 3 times, speakers worked intermittently, ignition that didn't even need the right key after a while, multiple catalytic converters, burned tons of oil from day one, suspension was shot after 5 years...I KNOW there is more but that's all I can remember right now. It made it to 128k miles before we sold it because it needed another catalytic converter to pass emissions.


Edited by RoGuE (10/04/11 02:05 PM)
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#2396105 - 10/04/11 02:08 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 23785
Loc: ME
Hard to decide between...

A 97 ford taurus that just kept me buying parts-- snap off a strut bolt in the rear knuckle, get knuckle too. Or the radiator tucked in the aero nose that takes six hours book time to change.

or a 2000 chrysler T&C with no data at the OBDII port, refusal to work with "exactly the same" junkyard computer due to VIN-locking, engine wiring that intermittently breaks within the insulation. Biodegradable solder that gets cracked like twenty year old asphalt.

or a 2000 buick century with that same terrible solder. Surface mounted resistor chips just fall off the instrument cluster, a known fault, and make the PRNDL and odometer go dark. Rocker panels made of the finest, rust-prone paper mache. Piston slappy engine, sometimes slammy transmission. My BIL and I have had several A-body cieras and centuries make it near or over 200k; this W-body heap was junk at 125.

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#2396108 - 10/04/11 02:10 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Chris142 Offline


Registered: 06/05/03
Posts: 11258
Loc: apple valley, ca
86 Mitsubishi 4x4 pickup.

My dad Bought it brand new.

Got 2 blocks away from the dealer and it stalled. Towed back to the dealer.

Got it back a few days later.

The guages never worked from day 1.

5 transmissions rebuilt before the 12/12 warranty was over.The carb would ocasionally over flow with gas.



1 transfercase.

Body mounts under my feet broke and you could see the ground.

This also sprung the doors and caused the windshield to crack.

Rear spring hangers would flip up and jam against the frame rendering the rear suspension useless and solid.

@ around 20K the carb flooded which caused an underhood fire. Destroyed many emission parts I could not buy so from here on out it wasn't smog legal. It had a big burned spot on the hood now.

The part of the frame that held the front differential broke off which left the diff hanging from the driveshaft and axles...Well untill the CV joints in the axles pulled apart as I was pulling over to investigate the noise.

5 more transmissions before 30,000 miles. They always lost 2nd gear. From 30k to 44K I didn't use 2nd gear as I was tired of constantly swapping transmissions into this truck.

The engine needed a valve job @ 35k. Soon after the valve job the rings went bad. I used to pour oil down the carb so it would have enough compression to start on cold mornings.

This oil plugged the cats so they got removed and rodded out.

The crankshaft broke @ 44k which destroyed the block. I was able to drive it home with the broken crank!

I found a low milage engine from a wreck and swapped that in. My dad wanted the truck so I gave it to him.

He had it about 3 weeks and he double gasketed an oil filter and burned that engine up.

This Mitsubishi was my daily driver. I had a Toyota at the same time that I beat on. It only suffered a couple of clutches and a rear pumpkin and went over 300k.
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#2396109 - 10/04/11 02:10 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
swirlparanoid Offline


Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 184
Loc: in
ive posted this probably way too many times now but since theres a thread dedicated to this sorta thing i guess ill do it again

this is my dads 02 ram
rear has been replaced 1 time, limited slip 3 times, trans been replaced, driveshaft replaced, engine has sludge in it on 5000 mile intervals on dino, drinks about a quart every 800 miles engine has had other problems i cant remember, one day the trans wouldn't shift unless u let off the gas, power steering rack been replaced 2 times, new rack leaks, power windows don't work in back or pass side, door locks don't work, key fob doesn't work, bed is rusting inside, back fenders are rusting, tailgate almost has holes in the bottom, parking brake wont work it doesnt release, some mornings it starts 1st time,blower motor is very loud, oh and it has 62000 miles on it with everything done as the manual said.

new stuff it now has 70k on it amazingly,bout a month ago the starter was replaced, rear is vibrating on accelleration again.

thats the worst vehicle anyone in my family has owned

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#2396113 - 10/04/11 02:13 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
ctrcbob Offline


Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 502
Loc: Mount Dora FL, Penfield NY, R...
1990 Honda Accord EX purchased new. Made in Marysville Ohio on a monda or Friday. Only thing that did not go wrong was the engine.

Transmission,
A/C
Moonroof leaking after rain
CV Joints

Worse thing was the attitude of the dealers. "Honda's don't give problems!"
Also, "I'm sorry sir, but we have not been able to reproduce the problem."

Traded for a 1992 Camry that never gave me any problems in 100k miles.
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#2396114 - 10/04/11 02:14 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 25964
Loc: Ontario, Canada
1986 Olds Custom Cruiser wagon.

Had the 307 backed by whatever transmission GM put behind it.

-Tranny was going out of it by 200,000Km
-Went through several brake boosters
-Rear bumper started to fall off
-Door handle broke inside the door
-Power window switches would stop working
-Would randomly lose (expensive!) hubcaps
-One door would randomly not open at times.
-The same door would randomly not close at times.
-The AC needed to be recharged
-It drank gas
-The 307 didn't have a lot of "go" and developed pretty good blow-by by the 200,000Km mark.
-The Delco/BOSE stereo died. A new one cost a fortune so it got a wreckers one. Which developed issues with the LCD. It eventually got an aftermarket one.
-The shocks went out of it
-The exhaust system fell off it

The 1989 Lincoln my dad bought so that he wouldn't have to continue driving it (the wagon was my mom's car) was 400x the car in every way. We sold the Wagon with 225,000Km on it to a cabbie for a song. Just to get away from it. Still have the Lincoln, has 348,000Km on it now, tranny shifts like new, all the windows still work, still has AC, engine was running perfectly when I "upgraded" it to an HO.

That Town Car is one of the best, if not the best car we've ever owned as far as being low maintenance and reliable. Two cars from the same era with vastly different experiences.
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#2396116 - 10/04/11 02:17 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: eljefino]
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Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 855
Loc: Everett,Wa.
My '98 Ford Ranger 4x4. It was back to the dealer with about 500 miles on it because both front shocks were leaking. The dealer replaced the shocks under warranty three times in 35,000 miles IIRC.

The transfer case was replaced and the rear differential was rebuilt,both under warranty.

Ford bought back the Firestone tires during the Explorer roll over fiasco.

I sold it right before the warranty ran out at 36,000 miles. Not a chance I was going to own that thing out of warranty.

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#2396118 - 10/04/11 02:17 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 111
Loc: Ohio
1998 Volvo Station wagon AWD. That is the biggest pos ever designed and built.

The entire rear suspension has to be removed to replace the fuel pump. I did it twice.

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#2396121 - 10/04/11 02:20 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Boomer Offline


Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 1638
Loc: Pennsylvania
I bought a 1976 Pinto station wagon new when my son was only a year old.

1.Top of metal radiator blew off. Had never been soldered on. Was held in place only by paint.
2. Missing oil holes to allow engine lubing resulted in severe rod knock. This was a common problem in these cars.
3. The diff (RWD) was noisy from day one and finally failed.
4. Kept hearing a noise in the back and finally found that no nuts had been used on the boltsholding the leaf springs at the rear of the springs. Both bolts had worked their way almost halfway out!!!!

Dealer was very surly about it all and I have never purchased a Ford since that time. I now drive a Nissan pickup.
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#2396123 - 10/04/11 02:23 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: ctrcbob]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Illinoistan
Originally Posted By: ctrcbob

Worse thing was the attitude of the dealers. "Honda's don't give problems!"
Also, "I'm sorry sir, but we have not been able to reproduce the problem."

Hahaha! I'm getting flashbacks right now. Mine was a 2000 Accord (also US-made). It had numerous issues as a result of poor assembly quality. Dealers would give me the exact same attitude. I cut my losses and ditched it after a year of ownership... To this day, I'm not fancying another Honda...
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#2396126 - 10/04/11 02:28 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2956
Loc: Northeastern MT
1974 Plymouth Valiant. Something in the wiring went out and it wouldn't start unless you jumped the terminals on the starter with a screwdriver. Dash lights wouldn't stay on steady, and the speedometer jumped all over the place if you went over 65mph. Then a seat spring broke, perfect place for it to poke you in the aftermarket while driving.

So probably saved me a lot of money when that lady pulled out in front of me and totalled it.

But the engine was always good, and lived on in the replacement vehicle, a '77 Plymouth Volare wagon with 4 speed manual on the floor...put over 80k miles on in the next 2 years.
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#2396130 - 10/04/11 02:32 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 11/04/09
Posts: 122
Loc: North Georgia
You might think it was my '73 MGB with its Lucas (The Prince of Darkness) electrics. I have had pretty good luck but the worst for quality issues is the 2000 Ford Focus I am driving right now. 185,000 miles and the drive train has never skipped a beat. But I had to the thing towed in twice to replace ignition switches that broke with the column locked. $200 each time. Most of the interior plastic is disintegrating, all four power windows ( I replaced tha last two my self, a real PITA) the trunk latch broke and I had to dismantle the rear seat and destroy the latch to get it open. $135 for the part and I replaced it. Just had both rear wheel bearings replaced. That said I plan to see if I can 300,000 out it before it sees the boneyard. A 1976 Chev C-10 just refused to run for more than two days starting at about 65,000 and finally put a rod through the side of the block and freed me from my misery.
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#2396143 - 10/04/11 02:43 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 6162
Loc: New England
Maybe I have had great luck with previous vehicles with few problems.

Sadly my recently purchased 2007 Acura MDX (82k) is glitchy electrically. I do need to have the battery tested as on forums it appears to be a very common culprit. I ran it down leaving ignition on for a few hours.

So far and just after leaving ignition on:
1) Low power warning side air bags not powered (went away after restart)

2) Check engine light(P0401) x2 that also triggered AWD turning off. This went away after a few days also near battery run down

3) My wife used it acted liked battery was disconnected. The radio/Navigation wanted code entered in them. The power windows auto feature had to be reset.

My previous vehicles 86 Jeep CJ-7, 87 VW GLI 16v, 95 Civic, 2004 WRX very few issues.

Otherwise I really like my current MDX as its really nice comfortable vehicle. Hoping its a simple battery problem.


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#2396145 - 10/04/11 02:45 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Spazdog Offline


Registered: 09/06/10
Posts: 5492
Loc: Arlington
1979 Chevrolet Chevette.

It wasn't unreliable. I don't remember it breaking down. It was just so ill-conceived and badly designed.

I don't know who designed this car. It was allegedly built off the Opel Kadett C which I find difficult to believe. They must have really gone out of thier way to screw up a German design as badly as they could.

I'll start with the positive. Singular. Just one. The air-conditioning. They must gone to the Vista Cruiser parts bin for the A/C components. It would freeze that car out.

But that A/C performance comes with penalties; plural. Running the A/C meant adhering to the 55mph national speed limit. You weren't going to get going much faster than that with the A/C on. And the R4 compressor is mounted directly over the distributor. You have to remove the compressor to change the cap, rotor and wires. Speaking of wires, the #4 cylinder's spark plug wire must have been 6ft long. Really. It's an OHC engine. Why would they drive the distributor off the crank?

It had no power with the A/C on, but not much was gained with the A/C off. My mom had a MK1 Rabbit with two extra doors and the same size engine and it would literally run away from the Chevette. Automatic Rabbit vs Automatic Chevette means Chevette driver gets to watch VW taillights fade into the distance quickly.

The brakes were underpowered and the firewall would flex a lot when you applied them so they always felt spongey.

The window crank handles were made of the cheapest grade of pot metal availiable. Right now in the People's Republic of China, there is a foundry foreman looking at a Chevette window crank handle and saying, "I'm sorry, we do not make anything this poor."

The TH200 might have been a bright spot on the car, but honestly, it was too big of a transmission and pinched the footwells into tiny little spaces.

The AM radio was about as non-spectacular as an AM radio gets and could barely reach the then AM "stereo" (AM stereo....does anybody still do that or are they all AM stereo now?) rock station. Apparently, an 1/8th note means volume and a vague picture of what I assume was supposed to be an aerial but actually looked like an oil derrick meant tuning.

It was a North Texas car and it had rust. Only on the front shock towers but it had rust.

Handling? Forget it. You know all the fwd vs rwd debate? This car was rear wheel drive and had the worst understeer I've ever experienced. Even with brand new Monroe-matics all the way around.

Ride? yeah, it had one. NVH? yeah, it had those too.

Again, I would like to meet the engineer at GM responsible for this pile. When you look at the Opel Manta and Opel GT, there is no way this car could have descended from them. None. GM apparently just decided to not learn from the Vega, not take cues from the Japanese, and engineer all the German that they could out of it.

Somehow or another, they managed to make it execute the ignition control module if you broke the timing belt. I do not know how, but every Chevette I have ever seen with a broken timing belt has needed a control module. Fortunately, the 4 blade module is real cheap. Unfortunately, you will have already replaced the belt and put everything back together by the time you discover this.

The HVAC controls were not backlighted. They had one tiny, smaller than 194, bulb above the panel. Set the heat or A/C before nightfall because you aren't going to be able to read anything on it

It was as if they were saying, "Let's make this car as miserable as possible. And then, well yank out the back seat and glove box door and make it even more miserable. Call it the "Scooter"."

I think I averaged 20mpg, which considering how slow it was, makes the pitiful fuel economy even harder to swallow.
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#2396147 - 10/04/11 02:46 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Mark_Walk Offline


Registered: 09/19/11
Posts: 326
Loc: Danville, KY
2002 Chevy Trailblazer (son drives it at college)
Multiple ghost electrial problems.
Replaced radio X2
Rear air control unit
Rubber gasket on back hatch X5
Fan Clutch X3
4wd controler
trans. cooling lines leaking
both rear windows won't roll down
cruise control not working
AC Compressor

It does have a great engine though!...lol
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#2396149 - 10/04/11 02:48 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1989 Pontiac Grand Am

Absolute POS with crumbling interior plastic parts, leaking moonroof, constant mechanical problems.

Fortunately, it ended up blowing a head gasket so I had to get rid of that S.
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#2396152 - 10/04/11 02:51 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 07/25/10
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
1994 Chevy Cavalier....biggest POS I've owned. I bought it brand new and got ride of it within 3 years.
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#2396153 - 10/04/11 02:51 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
kb01 Offline


Registered: 10/05/09
Posts: 930
Loc: USA
I guess I'm lucky that I've never had a car that was truly as bad as most of the stories here, not even during the bad-old-days.

My 2000 Ford Focus had an insane number of recalls and lots of little, aggravating problems as it approached 100,000 miles. I generally keep cars to 150,000 - 200,000 miles and as of yet (knock on wood) have never had to replace a transmission or engine. I dumped the Focus because it was nickle and diming me to death.

This included various cars which weren't exactly known for reliability -- '79 Cutlass Supreme, '86 LeBaron, and a '92 Acclaim.

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#2396155 - 10/04/11 02:53 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
1994 Chevy Cavalier....biggest POS I've owned. I bought it brand new and got ride of it within 3 years.
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#2396171 - 10/04/11 03:18 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Mine was a 72 Dodge Van with the famous 225 Slant 6, clearly the worst vehicle I ever owned. No power, wouldn't start w/o stalling several times or run properly in the rain, a real dog! That was followed closely by a 95 Caprice 4.3L V8, what a load! I had for a very short period of time an 87 E-150 with an electrical issue which Ford ended up buying back, that would take third place.
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#2396174 - 10/04/11 03:23 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: rjundi]
Dave Sherman Offline


Registered: 01/03/06
Posts: 675
Loc: Ohio
I can't say I owned it (it was my dad's) but I lived with it for many years and got very experienced at repairing it.

1988 Pontiac 6000

Got to replace warped brake rotors frequently, and the self-adjusting rear drums would occasionally not self-adjust.

Cooling fan motor went out at 50,000 miles or so, but since it only had an idiot light we had no idea it was running hotter than usual, and it apparently never got hot enough to turn on the idiot light. The only symptom we had was the air conditioning cycling off, and when the compressor kicked in it shuddered like you just put it in gear.

It seemed to go through ignition wires and spark plugs at a good clip, and since it had no knock sensor it would ping like crazy if the wires were going bad or the plugs had eroded themselves from .060 to more like .080.

The tensioner bushing would get worn, and the idler pulley would get cockeyed, then the belt would start rubbing the engine block. Strangely, the dealers could never sell you the worn out bushing, but they did have a copious supply of idler pulley assemblies, and once you said "2.5 liter four" they knew exactly which one you were talking about. Since it was this big aluminum casting which included the power steering pump mount and the front cooling jacket cover, it was never a simple and always messy job to replace.

Blower motor went out one winter, although that was just because the cheap connector at the blower motor wasn't well protected against the elements. A little steel wool fixed that, but it was cold for a few days until I could find out what was wrong.

The plastic timing gear let go at around 100,000 miles. Although I can say that was the only time it left us stranded on the road. Still a chore to replace it though. We took that opportunity to replace the steering rack which was having a severe case of morning sickness.

The thermostat started opening too early, but it never turned on a "service engine soon" light. I figured it out because the torque converter started dropping in and out at odd times. Once I noticed that it coincided with the heater warming up and cooling off noticeably, got that fixed.

One half of the ignition module started getting flaky in cold temperatures, so one day it flooded trying to start it, and for a week a buddy of mine and I were trying to jump start it. Finally got it running and got it to the dealer to diagnose it.

One of the silly problems it had was when the rubber bumper for the parking brake pedal actually wore out, the pedal came up too far, and slipped off the warning light switch. Parking brake released, but the BRAKE light was on. The next time I put the parking brake on it broke the switch arm off, and the BRAKE light was on all the time. The dealer looked at me funny when I was ordering a new bumper pad and parking brake switch.

I think it had about 180,000 miles when I gave it back to my dad after I graduated. It soldiered on for another year or so before the headliner started drooping and the transmission wasn't shifting right. During the last week I was still driving it, it managed to shed two hubcaps on the road, and the alternator quit for the third time.
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#2396178 - 10/04/11 03:28 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 12/07/08
Posts: 1433
Loc: Occupied Virginia
1994 Honda del Sol Si I bought used from my brother-in-law.

Nothing like what some of you guys have dealt with, just a lot of dumb minor stuff. The plastic door release lever inside the driver's door broke, making the door unusable until I took it apart and got it fixed. The CD changer broke every other time I used it, trapping the CD magazine inside it. The supposedly stainless muffler rotted through at one of the welds but was pristine otherwise. 2nd gear synchros were a bit flaky. Brakes always pulled the car one way while the alignment made it drift slightly to the other.

Besides that, it was a fun little car for the most part.

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#2396179 - 10/04/11 03:28 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
pbm Offline


Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 5185
Loc: New York
1980 Dodge Omni with carburated 1.7...carb issues galore
1993 Dodge Omni 2.2 was a good car but it needed clutches regularly.
My first car, a 1968 Firebird with the awful OHC 6 cylinder.

My 2002 Buick Century has been one of the best cars I've owned...I did replace the LIM as a precaution and it does suffer the problem with the cluster lights but that's been it in over 130K. I would drive it anywhere tomorrow.

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#2396187 - 10/04/11 03:36 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
pottymouth Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 483
Loc: NJ
'93 Grand Prix. Hands down. Traded it in before the warranty was up.

Beyond the myriad of problems (some of which were never fixed) the last straw for me was the dash rattle that got worse over time. Dealer claimed they couldn't find a problem. I finally got so tired of it I pulled the dashboard apart and found a loose bolt with a speed nut still attached just rattling around. I could find no place that it belonged. Nice build quality. The combination lock for the glove compartment was a nice touch, though.

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#2396195 - 10/04/11 03:45 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 10790
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My present 1995 Mercedes E320 convertible.

I bought it out of warranty and put 50K on it. I have a major expensive problem roughly every 3K, mostly related to the body electricals.

Of course, the company doesn't care how reliable the car is out of warranty, nor does the owner care about reliability within warranty, since it's on the dealer's dime.

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#2396209 - 10/04/11 04:00 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 11/03/09
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I find it hard to blame a car for problems if it's purchased used and the history is long and/or unknown.

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#2396223 - 10/04/11 04:23 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
ArBee Offline


Registered: 09/26/04
Posts: 78
Loc: Richmond, Virginia
1975 Volkswagen Dasher, purchased in 1977 with only 16,000 miles on it. I cannot begin to recount all the trouble that car gave me, but it got to the point that repairs were exceeding the average car payment. Finally I sold it in 1979, and the new owner beat it to death in short order.

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#2396225 - 10/04/11 04:24 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 06/09/10
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Loc: Merritt Island FL, USA
2002 Pontiac Grand Prix. (bought used in 2005, 42K)


WITHIN MONTHS
First the electric windows/locks
Car overheated on the Freeway, radiator fixed
1 week later transmission took a dump. Scrapped it.
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#2396231 - 10/04/11 04:29 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: dparm]
pbm Offline


Registered: 04/19/04
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Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: dparm
My Ford Contour.




I always liked the Contour/Mystique although I've never owned one.

What year and what were the problems?

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#2396236 - 10/04/11 04:33 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: pbm]
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 23785
Loc: ME
Originally Posted By: pbm
1980 Dodge Omni with carburated 1.7...carb issues galore
1993 Dodge Omni 2.2 was a good car but it needed clutches regularly.


Hey, that reminds me. My Mom had a string of cars... renault dauphine, 68 beetle, 71 vega, 76 vega. They all sound terrible in hindsight. The beetle's throttle stuck open in a parking garage due to a broken spring. Mom nonchalantly fixed it with a rubber band. Benefits of a stick shift. wink

1981 delivered a "Dodge Omni 024 Miser" to our happy household.

Door handles were always failing. Sometimes it would be a week or two before my dad could fix the driver's door so Mom would go in the passenger side. This "extra wear" did in the passenger handle so she had to use the hatchback.

Thing ate about three clutches in 81k miles. With a ~50hp VW motor! We traded it at eight years/ 81k because the bottom of the door had a football sized rust hole and likely would have failed state inspection. And it had been "Rusty Jones" treated. (Dad mailed a picture of this hole off to a class action/ bankruptcy settlement and got a check for $30 or so.)

After we traded it on a Mazda 323 (specifically bought from the salesman who sold us one of the Vegas!) the only other one we ever saw on the road belonged to a pizza guy and he had his interior door panel all apart, so he could get at the coat-hanger shaped rods inside to operate the latch.


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#2396248 - 10/04/11 04:53 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 6216
Loc: Texas
My worst was my first car- a '68 Ford Ranchero- just because it was so beat-to-death when I got it. I've never had a problematic newer car (knock wood...)

When we got married, my wife brought her 1984 Chevy Cavalier to the household. She was really proud because she had bought it new with her own money. I H-A-T-E-D that thing, but I couldn't stand to tell her that. I busted knuckles every time I changed the oil, it spectacularly blew the transaxle at 80k miles, ate its AC compressor a couple of times, and we finally sold it because the steering rack leaked almost as fast as you could pour fluid in the reservoir and it was so darn hard to get at the rack to swap it. And it just generally sucked at being a car.

My dad had a couple that really brought a new level of pain also. A 1978 Plymouth Horizon (VW 1.7L engine with a Chrysler-built head) and a 1979 Mazda B2000 pickup. Both were complete nightmares. The Mazda suspension continually fell apart, blades flew off the plastic radiator fan, the secondary on the staged 2-bbl Mikuni carb kept sticking shut, and pretty much everything about the Horizon had a problem at one time or another. Spectacular failures included the differential section of the transaxle locking up (briefly) at highway speed then grinding itself to bits, and the rear semi-axle breaking leaving the rear wheels flopping around from the trailing arms. And the flexible carb mount spacer proved to be a Really Bad Idea (tm) because it failed so completely that you could lift the carb right off the manifold with the engine running (geez, I wonder why the idle was rough???) The weirdest thing it ever did was that it would sometimes diesel *backwards* when you shut it down hot. Yes... sucking air in the tailpipe and blowing exhaust out the air cleaner... with the ignition off... and it would run unbelievably smoothly when doing that too. Turning the ignition back on would do nothing. Putting it in gear would do nothing (because the transmission pump was spinning backwards). But put your hand over the exhaust pipe and it would stop in about 4-5 seconds.
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#2396252 - 10/04/11 04:55 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
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Loc: OH
My 1984 BMW 733i.
Nothing wrong mechanically, but an electrical system nightmare.
I could tell you some funny stories.
Like the day I drove it to work on a cool morning, needing some heat.
By the time I drove home that afternoon, it had gotten nice and warm outside, a fuse had blown, and the climate control defaulted to full hot.
Even better, I couldn't put a single window down.
Luckily, I was able to at least open the sunroof.
This car might have had electrics designed in Italy and executed by English suppliers.
Nothing like an old Mercedes!
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#2396253 - 10/04/11 04:55 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
pottymouth Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 483
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: cchase
I find it hard to blame a car for problems if it's purchased used and the history is long and/or unknown.


To some extent I agree, but the nature of the problems has a lot to do with it for me. My current '04 Chrysler has had more than its share of problems. I bought it used with about 40K on it and a full maintenance history.

The transmission solenoid pack needed to be replaced at 55K. Ok, could be due to the driver or the fact that it is a common issue so I'll give the car the benefit of the doubt.

Had to replace the power brake booster at 80K. In about 25 years of driving and countless vehicles I have never had a booster go bad. What could the previous owner have done to the car (or failed to do) that would cause this?

I am able to fix things like these myself fairly inexpensively so it's not that big a deal, but I would never recommend one to someone who can't

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#2396261 - 10/04/11 05:11 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Radman Offline


Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 485
Loc: Detroit, Michigan
I bought three Ford's in a row and sued on the last one.

1989 Ranger ~ A/C never worked, intermittent ignition fails that left me stranded numerous times and the dealership could never find the problem.

1994 Thunderbird ~ Warped rotors because of a poor axle shaft design, and ate three transmissions in 36K miles. Suffered sudden acceleration, etc.

1999 Mercury Villager ~ Spent 88 days in the Stu Evens repair shop the first year owned. Drove off the lot without brake lights, and no A/C. A/C never worked the 1 1/2 years I owned it. The Ford Rep told me that if I don't like it get a lawyer...so I did. They ate their words.

As you can see by my list I no longer purchase Ford products.

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#2396274 - 10/04/11 05:27 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: D.K.]
AITG Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 313
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: D.K.
1998 Volvo Station wagon AWD. That is the biggest pos ever designed and built.

The entire rear suspension has to be removed to replace the fuel pump. I did it twice.


Actually, Volvo had a far worse disaster: the 1973 142 coupe.

I bought one new in 73. In the two years I had it, it needed rear brakes every 5000 miles, fronts at 10,000. The exhaust broke just behind the resonator three times the first year. The speedo quit ... but it had a resonant engine noise at 70 that let you know when you got there.

It had a FI system that was '73 only ... for a good reason. You would be running at 70 and something would give an audible click. After the click, the car accelerated. By itself. If you didn't take your foot off the pedal completely it would climb up to 90 plus.

It had a body seam that ran horizontally back from the lower rear corner of the door to the wheel well (God knows why). Both seams were rusting within 18 months.

I finally took it back to the dealer and asked him to buy it back. He did, on the condition that I not tell a perspective buyer what a piece of (insert obvious here) it was.

Years later, I walked through a book store and saw a coffee table book on the ten worst cars of all time. Sure enough, the 1973 Volvo 140 series was there.

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#2396283 - 10/04/11 05:41 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1915 Ford Model T had to crank it to start it.
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#2396302 - 10/04/11 06:06 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
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Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 4840
Loc: Saskatchewan
Originally Posted By: cchase
I find it hard to blame a car for problems if it's purchased used and the history is long and/or unknown.


Yep, that Grand Prix sounds like it may have lived a hard early life.

I've been fortunate to not have encountered any unusually problematic vehicles.
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#2396318 - 10/04/11 06:21 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: SLCraig]
GMFan Offline


Registered: 12/26/07
Posts: 1454
Loc: Catskills, NY
In my experience:

2001 Saturn SL 5spd...it was dead reliable until it hit 120k miles and then it started needing a lot of work and started falling apart.

I did some big repairs on it around 120k expecting it to go on for much longer but in the span of a year I had dumped over a grand into it.

Engine misfire, dead radio, bad intake manifold gasket, failing timing chain / slight engine knock, bad clutch hydraulics, wheel bearings etc. I ended up donating it at 132k miles out of frustration when the engine started knocking. Funny thing is that the "typical" car failures like water pump, starter, alternator, radiator etc were still original.... The car still looked brand new on the outside thanks to the plastic panel sides...the Saturn bodies are still some of the best...I see them all the time on the roads and they all look like new even 10 years old.

Hopefully my Mazda treats me as well as the Saturn did for the first 120k miles and beyond.

Family experience:

I was young at the time but I remember our 1993 Chrysler Town and Country constantly having issues. I remember being broken down on the side of a highway numerous times.


Edited by GMFan (10/04/11 06:32 PM)
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#2396324 - 10/04/11 06:24 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: rpn453]
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Registered: 10/04/10
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Originally Posted By: rpn453
Originally Posted By: cchase
I find it hard to blame a car for problems if it's purchased used and the history is long and/or unknown.


Yep, that Grand Prix sounds like it may have lived a hard early life.

I've been fortunate to not have encountered any unusually problematic vehicles.


Sad thing is I know the guy that had the car before I did and he is easy and takes good care of his vehicles. Never had to many problems with it
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#2396353 - 10/04/11 06:51 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Pop_Rivit Offline


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 3468
Loc: Midwest
Without a doubt a 1974 Chevy 3/4 ton 4X4 that I bought new in the summer of 1974. Within the first 2 months the paint started falling off in sheets. In the first year that I owned it the truck spent almost 3 months having paint redone (in 2 or 3 week increments, first a bedside, then the cab roof, then the hood, etc). The last time, shortly before I sold it, they agreed to repaint the entire truck since the piecemeal approach left it looking like a mismatched junkyard reject.

When it was cold out the entire electrical system would occasionally (without warning) brown out-headlights would go dim, heater blower motor would fade to nothing, wipers would slow to almost nothing. Again, spent 10 or 15 days at various times trying to get the dealer to fix it. They finally had a factory rep try to solve it and never did, even though each time it was in the shop they told me they found the issue and were sure it was solved.

It was back at least twice for transmission issues, once for the transfer case (wouldn't shift into 4WD) and at least 5 or 6 times for other minor issues.

I finally wised up and, after the second year of miserable ownership, sold it and never looked back.

That truck, plus another negative experience with GM in the 1980's are the reasons why I won't buy another GM in my lifetime.

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#2396360 - 10/04/11 06:56 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3020
Loc: Bremerton Wa
Originally Posted By: cchase
I find it hard to blame a car for problems if it's purchased used and the history is long and/or unknown.

This. You just never know what was done to it or who drove it.

My worst was an 02 Jetta TDI bought brand new. The list is long but here a few of the problems:
4 netural park saftey switches
2 auto transmissions
2 sets of intjectors
1 set of glow plugs
2 injector wiring harnesses.
All in 80,000 miles.
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#2396381 - 10/04/11 07:17 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 10/13/08
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Loc: The Old North State
03 Nissan Altima 2.5L. A ticking time bomb with details told here. Actually it was an acceptable fairly reliable vehicle until the precat spewed cat substrate into the engine. But when it did that, it was over, terminal engine damage.

Though no consolation, I was one of many Nissan 02-03 2.5 owners that drut Nissan hung out to dry.

Adios Nissan.

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#2396387 - 10/04/11 07:22 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
HM12460 Offline


Registered: 05/26/07
Posts: 1452
Loc: West Michigan
Nothing like what is posted here, but a 2001 Taurus that i owned was by far my worst.
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#2396389 - 10/04/11 07:24 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
zyxelenator Offline


Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 1340
Loc: Louisville,KY
so ford got first place?
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#2396405 - 10/04/11 07:38 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3020
Loc: Bremerton Wa
This is such a small sample of the population, this a novelty thread to pass the time. I see some folks had some problems with their 3800 or 3.1 powered Buicks and Pontiacs. Mine have been very good. I think all you can infer is that it is hit or miss with any car, especially when purchased used.

You will, most likely, only get people in this thread who have had big problems and want to let it be known. Like me and my Jetta.
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#2396418 - 10/04/11 07:50 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
Spazdog Offline


Registered: 09/06/10
Posts: 5492
Loc: Arlington
Originally Posted By: cchase
I find it hard to blame a car for problems if it's purchased used and the history is long and/or unknown.


That's why I didn't include the '83 Oldsmobile 98 Regurgitate.

The window motors were garbage but then again so were the switches.

The heater control valve, mounted on the intake, began to leak. I grasped it with my bare hand and it crumbled in my hand. I have no idea how it didn't self destruct with cooling system pressure. Took a long time to get the remains out of the intake. That part didn't crumble.

The headliner fell down faster than any other car I've ever seen. One day it was a bubble. The next day I was wearing it for a hat.

It ran through Ignition control modules for awhile. Couple of Borg Warners, an AC Delco, and finally the cheapest Wells module. Then they stopped dying.

Everything that held oil, leaked. Rear main, tailshaft housing, differential, power steering pump

The only freeze plug that failed, was on the back of the engine. The rest looked fine.

But I don't blame the car. shrug who knows what kind of neglect it suffered.

I hold GM fully accountable for the Chevette because it was designed badly.

But it is hard for me to trust a GM vehicle because the ones I owned have been badly designed and tended to fail more often than my Ford or Chrysler vehicles.
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#2396435 - 10/04/11 08:05 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
zyxelenator Offline


Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 1340
Loc: Louisville,KY
Will chime in.
My step Brother's worst car was, Hyundai Elantra(I think 96) and MK3 GTI, he swears never to buy VW again and Hyundai.
My fathers worst were: Ford tempo and Audi (87 or 89)3000s. Audi got troubles with AC all the time, alternator, rack and pinion was a mess,and many other little things,last drop was when brakes went out while driving.
Mine worst was beaten to death cheap temporary car, 91 Accord, looked horrible, leaked or burned every single fluid, had more than 278k miles and odo, and it stopped who knows when. But it was running and served me 5 month. Then I sold it to some ghetto guy, who was helping us to fix one of the properties. It server him another 3-4 month for sure. I bet he ever added any fluid or changed oil. I changed it ones to GTX and was constantly topping off.
It never gave up on me, but ones overheated, when I was right near the place I was going to. Waited till buddy came over, added water, oil, and it was fine.


Edited by zyxelenator (10/04/11 08:11 PM)
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#2396509 - 10/04/11 09:00 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: zyxelenator]
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Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
so ford got first place?


No.

GM: 20
Ford 11
Dodge 9
Honda 4
Mazda 1
Mitsu 1
Volvo 2
Merc 1
VW 2
BMW 1
Nissan 1
Hyundai 1
Audi 1
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#2396522 - 10/04/11 09:10 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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For me it was a close race between my 95 Trans Am, 84 Laser and my 84 Corvette. (1984 must have been a bad year!)

The funny thing is that it seems with me when I buy a bad car, and then give that carmaker another chance, I get one that's completely the opposite. So after owning the 84 Laser, I decided to give Chrysler another chance and bought a brand new 88 Dodge Shadow ES Turbo, and that car was super reliable in the three years I owned it (did not have to bring it in for warranty work at all!) Same thing with my second Corvette, the one I own now. It has been very reliable!

And with the 95 Trans Am, it was in the dealer for warranty work about 30 times in the first 18 months. But even still, I gave the f-bodies another chance and ordered a new 98 Firebird Formula and that car didn't need to return to the dealer for any warranty work at all!

So for me, if I want to have a reliable car, I need to buy the lemon version of that car first! LOL!
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#2396542 - 10/04/11 09:23 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Scum_Frog]
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Mine was an 07 G6 V6. Bought with 30k on it. In the year I owned it:

-front struts replaced, both were shot
-replaced coolant res, cap and cross over gasket. Still had coolant loss.
-ISS replaced with revised part
-airbag sensor, replaced and still giving me a warning.
-two sets of tires, first set feathered and worn horribly. Balanced and aligned at least 8 times including the second set which was also wearing horribly. Done at 3 places.
-Found a crusty burnt tangerine in the engine bay
-2 sets of rotors and pads, calipers replaced.
-Always had wheel wobble, rims checked, balanced, still there.
-Rack was going, Steering would bind occasionally and then make a loud whine, leaking fluid.
-sway bar links replaced, both had rubber torn, stiff to manipulate.
-07 head unit CD loader stopped working. Bought a used 08 head unit, CD drive failed again few months later.

Sold it shy of 1 year. 3.5L V6 was peppy, but poor quality car.


Edited by Anies (10/04/11 09:25 PM)
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#2396646 - 10/04/11 11:23 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1999 Honda Accord LX 2.3 Litre - 5 speed purchased in 4/2003 with 35,000 miles and died 11/2009 with 125,000 miles of a stroke.
The problems:
1. Replace cat converter at 80,000.
2. Engine consumed 1 quart of oil every 1500 miles.
3. Short circuit in the starter caused it to continue spinning even with the engine off. The starter then self destructed.
4. Multiple carbon canisters needed replacement.
5. Radiator cap began to leak at 45,000. No dealership in NJ had the correct cap because 1999 Accords came with an assortment of different radiators, depending upon origin of assembly. I had to drive back to IL with a rag around the cap and a lot of prayer.
6. Both lower ball joints had to be replaced after 50,000 miles.
7. Engine developed a piston slap at 45,000 miles.
8. The transmission could not be put into first gear intermittantly. It was blamed on a casting spur on one of the gears in the tranny.
9. Clutch wear indicator showed 80% wear at 100,000 miles with gentle driving on the highway.
10. At 125,000, the entire electrical system suffered some kind of cascade failure, frying the computer, then the coils, plug wires and spark plugs. The car simply stopped dead while on I-88 outside of Chicago and would not start again. I sold it for scrap - $500.00. I saw it at an independent used car lot in Chicago about 2 months later - asking price of $1500.00. Wow.
I am absolutely meticulous about maintaining my cars (I guess I wouldn't be on this forum if I were not) and not abusing them.
I came to absolutely hate this car, especially since Honda had a reputation for reliability. Subsequently, after describing the issues with this car, you folks on this forum figured out that the car must have been flooded at some point. Although this makes perfect sense, this didn't show up on the carfax. Oh well. My other Hondas have been nearly perfect.
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#2396676 - 10/05/11 01:34 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 1340
Loc: Louisville,KY
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
so ford got first place?


No.

GM: 20
Ford 11
Dodge 9
Honda 4
Mazda 1
Mitsu 1
Volvo 2
Merc 1
VW 2
BMW 1
Nissan 1
Hyundai 1
Audi 1

[Offtop] I knew you will show up as soon as I mention Ford smile Honestly I was missing you, forum board got little boring last couple days. At least you answer my posts every time smile
[Offtop]
When I used to work at car shop, I remember lots of loud knocking Mitsu Galants. So you can count at least +20.
Also another buddy has MK3 GTI which is literally falling apart,and leaks, and he hates it. So +1 to VW. Another one had Dodge Intrepid, he hated it and it hated him, tranny died, that was last drop.


Edited by zyxelenator (10/05/11 01:42 AM)
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#2396833 - 10/05/11 08:30 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: zyxelenator]
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Originally Posted By: zyxelenator

[Offtop] I knew you will show up as soon as I mention Ford smile Honestly I was missing you, forum board got little boring last couple days. At least you answer my posts every time smile


Awww, now aren't you sweet wink luring me in like that big boy! I missed you too. But it hasn't been a couple days, only a few hours. Though I'm sure it feels like a couple days to you wink
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#2396836 - 10/05/11 08:34 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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ontome

We need to remember that not every car of the same make model shares the same problems. Keep that in mind smile
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#2396857 - 10/05/11 09:07 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Anies]
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Originally Posted By: Anies
ontome

We need to remember that not every car of the same make model shares the same problems. Keep that in mind smile

approved

Exactly, every manufacturer is always going to have a few lemons. Also a lot of people don't realize, the more popular the car and the more there is produced, theres going to be more problems that arise just because of the large production numbers.


Edited by volk06 (10/05/11 09:07 AM)
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#2396892 - 10/05/11 09:59 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Radman]
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Originally Posted By: Radman
I bought three Ford's in a row and sued on the last one.
<snip>

1999 Mercury Villager ~ Spent 88 days in the Stu Evens repair shop the first year owned. Drove off the lot without brake lights, and no A/C. A/C never worked the 1 1/2 years I owned it. The Ford Rep told me that if I don't like it get a lawyer...so I did. They ate their words.

As you can see by my list I no longer purchase Ford products.



To be fair, the Mercury Villager was actually a re-badged Nissan Quest. Nissan had some sort of strange corporate mental block on being able to build a minivan that didn't suck rope. Not that Ford fared all that much better going solo, I've got two co-workers who have gone through 5 engines and 4 transmissions between their two Windstars.

To be even more fair, I think minivans in general are brutally hard on their mechanicals. Its just too much weight to move around with a compact/lightweight FWD drivetrain. Every single manufacturer has had at least one rash of common failures with minivan components- usually transmissions. Honda's been in the thick of it most recently.
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#2396919 - 10/05/11 10:23 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: 440Magnum]
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1999 Mercedes ML 320

38,000 miles:

-center bearing & "guibo"
-cooling fans' harness
-various switches failed or the knobs just fell off
-possessed radio (uncontrolled volume changes, on/off on its own)
-main body harness shorted where it passes over the transmission...car went electrically dead & essentially had a stroke at 75mph on the highway..coasted to a stop, little smoke from underside. 4K repair. Car was ~1k past warranty, but MB generously credited me $300 towards a new gauge set (taken out when the body harness went).

Made all my English cars look downright dependable.

In all fairness, MB seems to have gotten their act back together but it will be a while before I go there again.
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#2397020 - 10/05/11 11:29 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

But it hasn't been a couple days, only a few hours. Though I'm sure it feels like a couple days to you wink
I've seen that topic after "flying Ford truck"
To the topic: have any one had Yugo? smile
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#2397155 - 10/05/11 01:13 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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My first car, a 1985 Buick Skyhawk sedan with the 2.0 Chev I-4 and a 3-speed auto.

I was a naieve kid when I bought it as is, and fell for the guys line that 'GM's all have stiff power steering'...new steering rack 2 weeks later when I couldn't turn anymore.

From there, everything that could go wrong, did. Brakes all the time, heater core, radiator, exhaust...on and on. Only thing that kept working perfectly was the tranny....

Firewall rusted and leaked water, springs broke out of the seats, seatbelt chime shorted out and wouldn't stop, valvecover gasket leaked so badly car smelled like burnt oil all the time...on and on!

It took me 11 years to even consider another GM vehicle.
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#2397272 - 10/05/11 03:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: zyxelenator]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

But it hasn't been a couple days, only a few hours. Though I'm sure it feels like a couple days to you wink
I've seen that topic after "flying Ford truck"
To the topic: have any one had Yugo? smile


No Yugo. And I have no idea what you just said, LOL grin
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#2397551 - 10/05/11 07:54 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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My 1982 Chevrolet Cavalier coupe. I was second owner bought from an older aunt. I took it in 1995 it had 28K. Every month it seemed like something broke on it. I figured because it averaged 2K a year for 13 years, then I used at as a DD being a teenager at the time I was driving the [censored] out of it
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#2397554 - 10/05/11 07:56 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: zyxelenator]
Radman Offline


Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 485
Loc: Detroit, Michigan
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
so ford got first place?


I Vote For FORD as the worst cars I have owned!!
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#2397560 - 10/05/11 08:02 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
Radman Offline


Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 485
Loc: Detroit, Michigan
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
so ford got first place?


No.

GM: 20
Ford 11
Dodge 9
Honda 4
Mazda 1
Mitsu 1
Volvo 2
Merc 1
VW 2
BMW 1
Nissan 1
Hyundai 1
Audi 1


Great Tally it looks like you got all three of my Fords. GM is the Winner. I really hope the automakers see this thread and realize that they are losing customers.
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#2397564 - 10/05/11 08:03 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: 440Magnum]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 10456
Loc: Amherst, OH
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Radman
I bought three Ford's in a row and sued on the last one.
<snip>

1999 Mercury Villager ~ Spent 88 days in the Stu Evens repair shop the first year owned. Drove off the lot without brake lights, and no A/C. A/C never worked the 1 1/2 years I owned it. The Ford Rep told me that if I don't like it get a lawyer...so I did. They ate their words.

As you can see by my list I no longer purchase Ford products.



To be fair, the Mercury Villager was actually a re-badged Nissan Quest. Nissan had some sort of strange corporate mental block on being able to build a minivan that didn't suck rope. Not that Ford fared all that much better going solo, I've got two co-workers who have gone through 5 engines and 4 transmissions between their two Windstars.

To be even more fair, I think minivans in general are brutally hard on their mechanicals. Its just too much weight to move around with a compact/lightweight FWD drivetrain. Every single manufacturer has had at least one rash of common failures with minivan components- usually transmissions. Honda's been in the thick of it most recently.


My grandmother went from Nautica, to villager, to villager, to monterey, to edge, to edge. She never had any real problems with any of them. I was impressed with the Monterey too, that was a pretty nice van.
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#2397600 - 10/05/11 08:36 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Radman]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3020
Loc: Bremerton Wa
Originally Posted By: Radman
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
so ford got first place?


No.

GM: 20
Ford 11
Dodge 9
Honda 4
Mazda 1
Mitsu 1
Volvo 2
Merc 1
VW 2
BMW 1
Nissan 1
Hyundai 1
Audi 1


Great Tally it looks like you got all three of my Fords. GM is the Winner. I really hope the automakers see this thread and realize that they are losing customers.


Yeah the whole what 60 or 70 people that post and especially the ones that post about cars that are over 20 years old. coffee
It is such a small cross section of the public it dosen't even represent anything.
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#2397618 - 10/05/11 08:48 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: ls1mike]
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Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 25964
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Yeah the whole what 60 or 70 people that post and especially the ones that post about cars that are over 20 years old. coffee
It is such a small cross section of the public it dosen't even represent anything.

I think in a way it does Mike (and not the way you might think). GM was, up until very recently, the world's largest automaker. So the majority of cars out there were of course GM. So it would make sense that, from that perspective, given that they were the largest, that of course, they would have the greatest number of people with issues.

It is like saying IBM had more Notebook failures than Fujitsu.... Of course, they have WAY more market share! It is all relative.

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#2397627 - 10/05/11 08:54 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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The people who post here are in general car folks. It really says nothing because it is a range of cars and a lot are old or have less than a stellar history as they were purcharsed used. It is cross section of one website...Bob is the oil guy.

The same question was asked at the RV board I hang out at the results were very different. It was a cross section of an RV board. Not the general population.
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#2397641 - 10/05/11 09:07 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Radman]
cchase Offline


Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 3978
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: Radman
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
so ford got first place?


No.

GM: 20
Ford 11
Dodge 9
Honda 4
Mazda 1
Mitsu 1
Volvo 2
Merc 1
VW 2
BMW 1
Nissan 1
Hyundai 1
Audi 1


Great Tally it looks like you got all three of my Fords. GM is the Winner. I really hope the automakers see this thread and realize that they are losing customers.


Except you are drawing a perhaps erroneous conclusion from the numbers. Those numbers could say that Ford and GM lead the way in problem cars, or simply that most BITOG members owned GM and Ford vehicles in a generally dark age for vehicles, or that BITOG members own far more GM and Ford vehicles than other makes and thus the chances are greater that one was the "worst".

Don't take more from it than is possible.

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#2397659 - 10/05/11 09:35 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Originally Posted By: cchase
Except you are drawing a perhaps erroneous conclusion from the numbers. Those numbers could say that Ford and GM lead the way in problem cars, or simply that most BITOG members owned GM and Ford vehicles in a generally dark age for vehicles, or that BITOG members own far more GM and Ford vehicles than other makes and thus the chances are greater that one was the "worst".

Don't take more from it than is possible.

I wasn't drawing any sort of conclusion from the numbers. In fact, if I was to look at them, what you've said is pretty much my thoughts on them. Most of these cars were owned back when GM held the largest portion of the market.... by a wide margin. With Ford and Dodge pretty much in the positions they are in the list. Almost nobody had anything else. They fall in the order they do because that represents their respective market shares during that time period.

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#2397839 - 10/06/11 02:24 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
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Registered: 12/05/09
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Originally Posted By: cchase
Those numbers could say that Ford and GM lead the way in problem cars, or simply that most BITOG members owned GM and Ford vehicles in a generally dark age for vehicles, or that BITOG members own far more GM and Ford vehicles than other makes and thus the chances are greater that one was the "worst".


Agreed. My best vehicle ever was a Ford, and my worst, most problematic vehicle ever, by far, was also a Ford. That being said, both lasted forever and a day.
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#2397856 - 10/06/11 04:07 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Had an 2002 Honda Odyssey van. transmission went out, honda attempted repair, 10K later it went out again, ... honda refused at first to repair under warranty had to get lawyer to convince honda to make repair ... they did finally.

Later the AC went out, warranty expired repaired it for about $600 then ignition problems, then sliding door stopped working, pwr seat stopped.

Got hit and totaled

now have a Sienna, and no problems so far.
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#2397953 - 10/06/11 08:24 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Far and away it was the '84 Ford Escort. It was underpowered, but that didn't condemn it; a lot of cars were underpowered back then. But it stranded me with a breakdown or issue at least once a year for the 6 years/70K miles I owned it.

An ignition module died on a hot afternoon, and while that was covered by Ford, the timing belt that broke at 2 a.m. on a chilly night outside a housing project wasn't. (A nice couple in a Cadillac pushed my car with theirs to my house, literally a couple of miles.) Something else, I forget what, went out two days before Christmas 1988. Rust started up on the edge of the hatchback. Gah.

When I traded it in for the '89 Olds Cutlass, I had no regrets and never looked back.

The other POS was that '75 Volvo I bought used and which burst into flames one night while I was driving it. But I'm not sure it counts; I think the point here is about cars that we owned for some time, and which were troublesome over that time. I only had the Volvo 2 months.
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#2397968 - 10/06/11 08:40 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
cchase Offline


Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 3978
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I wasn't drawing any sort of conclusion from the numbers. In fact, if I was to look at them, what you've said is pretty much my thoughts on them. Most of these cars were owned back when GM held the largest portion of the market.... by a wide margin. With Ford and Dodge pretty much in the positions they are in the list. Almost nobody had anything else. They fall in the order they do because that represents their respective market shares during that time period.


No worries - just looked like others were trying to draw conclusions that don't work.

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#2398068 - 10/06/11 10:51 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 25964
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I wasn't drawing any sort of conclusion from the numbers. In fact, if I was to look at them, what you've said is pretty much my thoughts on them. Most of these cars were owned back when GM held the largest portion of the market.... by a wide margin. With Ford and Dodge pretty much in the positions they are in the list. Almost nobody had anything else. They fall in the order they do because that represents their respective market shares during that time period.


No worries - just looked like others were trying to draw conclusions that don't work.


For sure.

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#2398081 - 10/06/11 11:09 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Worst car ever for me was a 1991 buick regal 4 door with the 3.1.

For the year that I owned it I replaced 2 window motors. Blower motor. 1 CV shaft, water pump. When the head gasket blew, I sent it to the junk yard.
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#2398121 - 10/06/11 12:07 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
LS2JSTS Offline


Registered: 09/05/09
Posts: 3844
Loc: Motor City..What's Left
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
.... They fall in the order they do because that represents their respective market shares during that time period.


Exactly...agree 100%

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#2398124 - 10/06/11 12:13 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Garak]
LS2JSTS Offline


Registered: 09/05/09
Posts: 3844
Loc: Motor City..What's Left
Originally Posted By: Garak
... My best vehicle ever was a Ford, and my worst, most problematic vehicle ever, by far, was also a Ford. That being said, both lasted forever and a day.


My list would be the same, my best car ever was a Ford and my worst car ever as far as trips back to the dealer would also be a Ford. But I've owned ten times as many Fords as any other make...my personal data is useless in this regard I would guess.

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#2398437 - 10/06/11 05:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: LS2JSTS]
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 687
Loc: Portland, Oregon
'72 vw squareback. She was pretty but a major headache--well, just the engine actually, the rest worked really well. After this I decided I probably won't buy a carbureted car anymore.
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#2398593 - 10/06/11 08:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 06/03/09
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Loc: Indiana
1983 Camaro Z28.. but in all honesty most of it was my fault.. i drove it like i stole it daily..

My longest car is my best dependable car and most small issue car 1998 Chevy Cavalier. nickle and dime you to death.. but never ever left me stranded..

Worst ive ever seen, my now wifes then G/F Saturn, cant recall the year but it was serious Junk.. and then the next car she owned a 2000 Pontiac Grand AM GT.. motor was pretty solid but the little stuff killed us on that one too, i recall owning it for two weeks, a heavy rain storm, and 2' of water filling up the floorboards.. scary!!
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#2398882 - 10/07/11 02:10 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: LS2JSTS]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
My list would be the same, my best car ever was a Ford and my worst car ever as far as trips back to the dealer would also be a Ford. But I've owned ten times as many Fords as any other make...my personal data is useless in this regard I would guess.


The one I'm referring to (worst) was a 1983 LTD mid-size with factory propane and the 2.3L. Aside from being incredibly gutless, it was comfortable and handled well, considering the era, and was great in the snow. It got totaled at 500,000 km. I fought and fixed and spent my way to that mileage, though. It's amazing what one can accomplish when one's young and has finances too limited to upgrade. I wouldn't have the patience these days. That car was a major, major chore.
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#2398925 - 10/07/11 06:59 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 02/15/03
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Loc: Jupiter, Florida
2006 Jetta TDI with DSG transmission.

Trans failed early on. Then fuel pump. Then electrical. Then calipers locked up. Then EGR cooler leaked. Then O2 sensor wideband very expensive. Then intake manifold anti shudder valve. Then electric steering. Then the flywheel exploded, taking out the $7000 transmission. The car left me stranded far from home 3 times. Each time the repairs were 3 weeks or more. Never again
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#2398954 - 10/07/11 08:08 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: LS2JSTS]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 23785
Loc: ME
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
.... They fall in the order they do because that represents their respective market shares during that time period.


Exactly...agree 100%


And let's face it, someone is going to drive EVERY car until it gets too annoying. Ideally the owner gets to pull the trigger and drive it to the scrap yard, or a white knight like cash for clunkers swoops in. If the car gets traded it will probably be resold on a buy here, pay here lot and cause future heartbreak for someone.

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#2399021 - 10/07/11 09:39 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 12/12/08
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Loc: Clinton Twp. MI
Our 2004 Malibu is probably the worst car so far,numerous electrical problems that we just have learned to live with
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#2399752 - 10/08/11 07:54 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 12/30/06
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Loc: South Texas,USA
Cars me/friends/family have owned:

Fords-the worst engines
GMs-the worst electronics
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#2400055 - 10/08/11 03:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Buick92 Offline


Registered: 07/19/05
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Loc: Pullman Wa
2000 Ford Focus, poor build quality and lots of recalls. I'll never buy another first year model again, although the first year of the Fusion turned out to be very reliable.

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#2400807 - 10/09/11 11:17 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Buick92]
HyundaiGuy Offline


Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 422
Loc: Orlando, FL
Mine is probably the 1990 Ford Tempo. I was super busy at work, and a friend of a friend was the sales manager at a Ford store. My ex wife went there while I was working, as I didn't have the time. She had clearance to buy whatever up to X dollars. She came home with a Tempo four banger automatic. Grrrr.

The car would intermittently stall leaving from a stop. The it would be hard to restart. Seemed to happen more when a semi or train was coming. Took it back to the dealer over and over, and finally filed for lemon law. The day before they had to take it back, the called and said it was fixed. The replaced Everything from the fuel tank to the injectors, plus the ECM. It still wasn't fixed. Traded for a 1994 VW Jetta GL. That was the last American car I will ever have.

My late brother had a 200X Dodge Caravan that he and his wife got new. The side slider door was always squeaking. He took it back over and over, and the dealer supposedly adjusted and lubed the door a bunch of times. One day, my sister in law gets home, opens the slider and it fell off the van onto the driveway. He took the door, tied it to the top and drove it to the Honda dealer and traded on a Honda Odyssey.

The thing I never understood about him- he bought new cars every 2 years. He bought mostly Chrysler products, and would complain about the issues. Then he would turn around and buy another Chrysler product. Of all of his cars, I remember one Chevy and 2 Hondas. HIs wife had a Tempo as a company car. That one was junk too.
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#2400827 - 10/09/11 11:35 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 01/12/05
Posts: 4036
Loc: FL
1996 Dodge Stratus (my dad's first new car). For a while I thought the power window motors and relays were normal maintenance items

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#2401064 - 10/09/11 04:38 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
JayhawkRoy Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 647
Loc: Basehor, KS
1982 Renault Le Car. Should have bought a Corolla for about $1K more. Paid much more than that in repairs that seldom repaired the issues it had.

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#2401142 - 10/09/11 06:24 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
artificialist Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 6714
Loc: Florida
For me: 2003 Saturn ION.
Numerous small, but costly failures kept happening.
at ~90,000 miles, one cylinder was far below spec in compression.

My father said he never had any really bad cars except for a 1970s Plymouth Volare. He had to sell his 1971 Corolla because of his wife's demands for a bigger car, due to the arrival of the baby. When he divorced his first wife, he let her take it, and he proceeded to buy a 1979 Toyota Corolla. That '79 Toyota was one of my dad's most favorite cars.

When I grew up, my mom had a 1985 Nissan Maxima. That was the first year for front wheel drive Maximas, and it was a hasitily executed disaster. CV Joints didn't last, and they were extremely expensive back then. The P/S rack failed early and was insanely expensive at $1200. The scorching hot underhood temperatures constantly destroyed starters, alternators, and batteries. The A/C compressors were not durable enough, the first one blew a chunk of metal through the condenser. In 1994 at 90,000 miles, the timing belt went out due to lack of maintenance and destroyed the engine. I still loved the car because it was like Tron and Knight Rider combined. It certainly wasn't the worst car out there, it never had a single engine problem, Check Enginge Light, or automatic transaxle problem.
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#2401243 - 10/09/11 08:01 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
renegade_987 Offline


Registered: 04/07/11
Posts: 1462
Loc: Ankeny, IA
Im surprised you guys have so many Ford problems. Ours has 100K on her with not 1 problem other than the power window problem Ford has in 2004. Been the most reliable car we've had other than my parents 1999 Altima. Never had a really problematic car. Lucky me!
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#2401547 - 10/10/11 07:34 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: renegade_987]
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Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 3735
Loc: Miami-Dade County
Originally Posted By: renegade_987
Im surprised you guys have so many Ford problems. Never had a really problematic car. Lucky me!


Same here..Since my first car which was a used high mileage 67 Impala I can not complain about any of them..All my cars were Full Size V8 sedans except for a couple of Caddy Coupe De Villes..Most were Impala&Caprice until 1980..After that I stayed with Ford which were all V8 Panthers.

All cars [including the 67 Impala] were fully loaded with power windows and factory a/c..I never had a issue with the power windows in any of them..Knock on wood..The a/c in all those cars would cool a 7 room house until the day I sold them..But then again [with the windows] I do not open and close the windows everytime I get into the car as I just leave the a/c on all the time and just adjust the temperature..You save on window motors that way.

On my General Motors cars I kept them till around 150K miles..On my Fords I kept them [and still do] till 200-300K miles..I just feel more comfortable in Fords so I keep them alot longer.

The only issue with the G.M. cars were squeaks and rattles..Besides that they were OK..I just put a better sound system in them..The G.M. dealer could never duplicate the rattles and squeaks so I just learned to live them.

BTW I do not buy any car until law enforcement,taxi and the livery guys test them out first and talk to alot of drivers to see how they hold up...If it good enough for them it is good enough for me.
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#2404970 - 10/13/11 01:47 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Rumble Offline


Registered: 03/25/09
Posts: 141
Loc: Eastern U.S.
2004 Chrysler PT. We bought it new at the end of '04, it currently has 66K on it. I've been driving over 40 years, this car is the costliest thing I've ever seen to maintain.

1. Power steering hose leak (covered by original warranty)

2. Water pump leak at 38K (covered by drivetrain only $100-deductable warranty). Replaced some other items at this time such as timing belt and tensioner. Of the total $800+ bill, we paid around $300.

3. Head gasket oil leak (warranty w/$100 deductable)

4. Transmission slipping. (Paid $75 to reset computer)

5. Engine fan malfunction. (Paid $534 to replace, plus $90 wrecker bill)

6. Front/rear wheels alignment (extra $100+ to align due to special parts needed)

7. Transmission slipping, no reverse, currently in shop being repaired(???)

It will be the last Chrysler product ever for us.
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#2405179 - 10/13/11 05:49 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Eric Smith Offline


Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 2590
Loc: Kansas City, KS
88 GMC s15.. the engine itself was solid but everything attached wasn't. Couldn't keep the engine light off for more than a month. The Aspire is right up there with it but it's had a much harder life.

My parents would be the 2 Voyager/Caravan's they had. Door handles, transmissions you name it. The 00 Chevy Impala a few cars ago was shot at 100k you'd think a teenager had drove it.. and my mom is far from it.

Best for us has been the Escape hands down the Festiva's have no issues either. My old boss has a 04 Paciifica and has had 3x the problems same year but he has 30k less on the odo.
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#2406083 - 10/14/11 06:07 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: pbm]
lewdwig Offline


Registered: 10/23/07
Posts: 644
Loc: Southwest Michigan
1981 Dodge Omni 024 - hatch seals leaked, replaced rear defrost switch several times, ECM issues, engine couldn't idle with A/C on, 2.2L underpowered with the automatic transmission, rust. Wife bought it new, we traded it in right after the warranty expired.
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#2406446 - 10/15/11 07:32 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: lewdwig]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11182
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: lewdwig
1981 Dodge Omni 024 - hatch seals leaked, replaced rear defrost switch several times


Sorry to hijack, but what you posted reminded me of something that will give most a laugh here.

In the winter of 1989, I was living in a university dorm. It was a brutally cold day, like -40. A buddy was picking me up for coffee, driving basically what you described. He honked; I looked out the window into the lot to see if it was him. The hatch was wide open. I said to my room mate, hey, so and so is here, and look, he drove across town in this weather with his hatch open. Room mate says, no way, no one is that stupid. He looks outside and couldn't believe it.

I go outside, hop in, tell my friend he has his hatch open. He said that he thought it was cold and noisy in the car. Yeesh. I don't recall if the hatch seals were good or bad. If the hatch is left wide open, I suppose it really doesn't matter.
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#2406491 - 10/15/11 08:38 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
JustinH Offline


Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 3175
Loc: Texas
My dad had an omni when my brother and I were kids. A 4 person family used to go on vacation in this thing.

Here's the thing, none of the doors would open from the outside, so one person had to climb in the HATCH and let other people into the car.
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#2406541 - 10/15/11 09:46 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: JustinH]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 23785
Loc: ME
Originally Posted By: JustinH
My dad had an omni when my brother and I were kids. A 4 person family used to go on vacation in this thing.

Here's the thing, none of the doors would open from the outside, so one person had to climb in the HATCH and let other people into the car.


See my post from 10/4 on page 5. wink

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#2406556 - 10/15/11 10:00 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 05/02/11
Posts: 298
Loc: USA
My sister had a '74 Corolla 2 dr sedan that was an awesome, economical, dependable little car. then she decided to buy American and got a Dodge Omni hatchback, and she had ALL KINDS of trouble with it.

I haven't had much trouble with my cars, but 90% of them have been Subaru, Nissan, Honda, VW, etc.
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#2407030 - 10/15/11 08:38 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
calvin1 Offline


Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 779
Loc: Indiana, USA
For me it's a tie between the 87 VW Fox and the 85 Camry. Despite it's many faults I really liked the VW. I can't say anything nice about the Toyota at all. I feel like I got ripped off and it was free from my grandmother-in-law.
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#2407158 - 10/15/11 11:49 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: calvin1]
Spazdog Offline


Registered: 09/06/10
Posts: 5492
Loc: Arlington
Originally Posted By: calvin1
For me it's a tie between the 87 VW Fox and the 85 Camry.


I've heard a lot of bad things about the Fox but I honestly liked it. I dated a girl with a Wolfsburg Fox (I didn't realize there was a Wolfsburg in Brazil crackmeup )It was like an Audi 4000 with a little softer ride/less freeway composure. shrug But they do have a bad reputation.

The first generation of Camry was just plain ugly. I can't say how reliable they are or aren't because they are just too ugly to consider.
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#2407265 - 10/16/11 07:28 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
calvin1 Offline


Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 779
Loc: Indiana, USA
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I've heard a lot of bad things about the Fox but I honestly liked it. I dated a girl with a Wolfsburg Fox (I didn't realize there was a Wolfsburg in Brazil crackmeup )It was like an Audi 4000 with a little softer ride/less freeway composure. shrug But they do have a bad reputation.


It was a fun car to drive and easy to work on so it should have been a winner. However it became impossible to keep it on the road because of how hard it was to find parts. VW used a lot of rubber and plastic and it was all beginning to dry-rot. Just as an example, the shift bushings crumbled and it took 3 weeks to find them on the shelf in Germany and get them shipped, dusty and stamped "Made in West Germany". Another time one of the oil pressure sensors sprung a leak - not that unusual by itself - and it took the shop two hours to figure out why the buzzer and lights kept coming on: what should have been a normally-open part was actually a normally-closed one. This part only took a week to source.

By comparison I haven't had any trouble getting parts for my 94 BMW. I can get almost anything next day, sometimes two days in a pinch. That seems backwards to me: the much bigger VW has a lot worse availability than BMW.
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#2409766 - 10/18/11 11:05 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: calvin1]
SuperEd73 Offline


Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 207
Loc: Glen Cove, NY
I believe the worst car I've owned had to be my 1991 Caddy Eldorado Touring Coupe. This was the last year of the smaller boxey type shape. Car was pretty and fun to drive but it was a nightmare to maintain it. I bought it used with about 60k on the odometer back in 1999.

Unfortunately it was a first year model for various components. First year of the 4.9L V-8, first year of the electronic controlled transaxle and first year for the Computer Command Ride system.

First problem, when the oil was changed after I bought the car, the engine suddently developed a bottom end knock. Turns out the main bearings were toast. I should've dumped it at that point but it was covered under warranty. So lower end was rebuilt.

If I drove the car in any sort of wet weather, moisture would get into the wiring harnesses of the electronic struts and cause a fault to show up on the info display.

Name a fluid and it leaked. Valve cover gaskets, timing chain cover, rear main seal, front seal, and even head gaskets were changed over the course of the 3 years. Transaxle pan, even power steering lines started leaking.

Electronically controlled torque converter would suddenly pop out of lockup in overdrive. CCU would sense engine reving too much and trigger a service engine soon light. If I stopped car, shut it off and restart, problem would go away at least for a little while.

Simple maintenance items were a nightmare to change. Could always see the bolts/nuts you wanted to turn but you could never get a standard box/open end wrench, socket, etc. on it. I had to buy swivel joint sockets to get the two bolts off to change the thermostat.

Original Delco/Bose stereo system was barely functional.

EGR valve went bad. Engine would ping like I was trying to run it on 47 octane fuel. Two bolts held the valve on the engine. Once again, I needed some form of special tool to get the valve out however.

Finally ended up selling the car to a used car dealer for cash.

At least the car looked nice.

Ed B.
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#2410523 - 10/19/11 06:40 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
65convertible Offline


Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 124
Loc: North Georgia
My worst car is a 2001 Nissan Pathfinder. Check engine light has been on almost constantly since I have owned. I have replaced various sensors and the light is out for a few weeks and then back on again. Always something. The driver's front seat refused to move. Had it repaired Had it repaired to the tune of $1200.00. Had an oxygen sensor replaced at that time along with a plug coil. Check engine light is still on and the garage can't find anything else wrong with it! This car has certainly turned me against Nissan.

There were other things that went wrong but who can keep track of them all!

By the way I bought this car due to supposed Japanese quality. No more Japanese cars for me!
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#2411642 - 10/20/11 08:36 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
garlicbreadman Offline


Registered: 06/14/10
Posts: 736
Loc: USA
Only car ive owned is my current 2001 integra
nothing failed except the driver side window switch and window motor. 50 dollar fix for both.

I replaced the radiator because it showed mini hair line cracks and didnt want it to burst or start to leak while driving. Mine lasted pretty long 10 years and it would probably still be working to this day.


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#2411916 - 10/21/11 08:57 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
45ACP Offline


Registered: 04/03/11
Posts: 1271
Loc: Dallas Texas
2002 Ford Focus.

This car is pretty bad, reliability and functioning-wise.

Sharp, otherwise.

(its for sale)

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#2412041 - 10/21/11 12:00 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: 45ACP]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 10959
Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: 45ACP
This car is pretty bad, reliability and functioning-wise.

(its for sale)


Way to lead off a "for sale" ad!
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#2412053 - 10/21/11 12:13 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: 45ACP]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 25964
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: 45ACP
2002 Ford Focus.

This car is pretty bad, reliability and functioning-wise.

Sharp, otherwise.

(its for sale)


Isn't this your aunt's car from the other thread, the one with the spotty maintenance history? Any car can be a POS if it isn't looked after.

Not quite the theme of this thread.
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#2412086 - 10/21/11 12:57 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Tdbo Offline


Registered: 08/18/09
Posts: 1679
Loc: Ohio
Worst car I have ever owned was a 1979 Ford LTD. Never buy a first year vehicle (learned that the hard way.) Nightmares included fouling plugs every 12K, had Ford reps in twice and they couldn't figure it out. Finally an independent mechanic diagnosed it as a bad EGR valve. Other joys included the Variable Venturi carburator, a tranny that lasted 58k, was overhauled before the reverse gears went at 65K., an alumimum waterpump that warped and had to be replaced. By 80K, it was using 3 quarts of oil per tankful of gas, and the aluminum airfilter canister was disassembling itself. Not one of Ford's better ideas (and I am a Ford guy.) Traded it off on a new Honda Accord and a second Accord. Did not own another American vehicle before 1993. Fortunately, they were better by then.
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#2412390 - 10/21/11 06:55 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
cadfaeltex Offline


Registered: 11/19/09
Posts: 571
Loc: KS
Thought I'd chimed in on this but didn't see that I had. For me, it's an easy one...

2003 Mercedes Benz C320 sedan

Bought it new (cash from mom's life insurance). It was just a bit more than the Passat's, Altima's, and GM products that I looked at. It was a nice car and I rationalized the extra because I could keep if for decades based on the 'legendary Merc reliability'. Wow was I wrong. Bought it on Valentines day, the next morning I got in and the gear shifter came of in my hand - not the knob but the entire linkage assembly. Dealer said that was 'normal' and it took them 4 months to convince them otherwise. In the eight months I owned the POS it had 5 laser key replacements. The last straw was the traction control trying to kill me every time it rained.

The service was the only thing worse. The one and only time I got the 'loaner' in all the trips in to service it was filthy and smelled horrible.

Runner up was the 2003 Chevy Trailblazer we got just before that. The trim kept falling off and it made horrible but 'normal' sounds every time we put it in 4 wheel drive.

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#2412830 - 10/22/11 12:30 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Quote:
Way to lead off a "for sale" ad!


"Like new low miles daily driver, reliable." smile

You must not be familiar with Craigslist! LOL

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#2412860 - 10/22/11 01:05 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cadfaeltex]
John_K Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
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Loc: Columbus, Ohio
Originally Posted By: cadfaeltex
Thought I'd chimed in on this but didn't see that I had. For me, it's an easy one...

2003 Mercedes Benz C320 sedan

Bought it new (cash from mom's life insurance). It was just a bit more than the Passat's, Altima's, and GM products that I looked at. It was a nice car and I rationalized the extra because I could keep if for decades based on the 'legendary Merc reliability'. Wow was I wrong. Bought it on Valentines day, the next morning I got in and the gear shifter came of in my hand - not the knob but the entire linkage assembly. Dealer said that was 'normal' and it took them 4 months to convince them otherwise. In the eight months I owned the POS it had 5 laser key replacements. The last straw was the traction control trying to kill me every time it rained.

The service was the only thing worse. The one and only time I got the 'loaner' in all the trips in to service it was filthy and smelled horrible.

Runner up was the 2003 Chevy Trailblazer we got just before that. The trim kept falling off and it made horrible but 'normal' sounds every time we put it in 4 wheel drive.


The linkage breaking is normal? Yeah, I think that happens about every 5,000 miles! crush

John
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#2413022 - 10/22/11 04:50 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: John_K]
cadfaeltex Offline


Registered: 11/19/09
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Loc: KS
Originally Posted By: John_K
Originally Posted By: cadfaeltex
Thought I'd chimed in on this but didn't see that I had. For me, it's an easy one...

2003 Mercedes Benz C320 sedan

Bought it new (cash from mom's life insurance). It was just a bit more than the Passat's, Altima's, and GM products that I looked at. It was a nice car and I rationalized the extra because I could keep if for decades based on the 'legendary Merc reliability'. Wow was I wrong. Bought it on Valentines day, the next morning I got in and the gear shifter came of in my hand - not the knob but the entire linkage assembly. Dealer said that was 'normal' and it took them 4 months to convince them otherwise. In the eight months I owned the POS it had 5 laser key replacements. The last straw was the traction control trying to kill me every time it rained.

The service was the only thing worse. The one and only time I got the 'loaner' in all the trips in to service it was filthy and smelled horrible.

Runner up was the 2003 Chevy Trailblazer we got just before that. The trim kept falling off and it made horrible but 'normal' sounds every time we put it in 4 wheel drive.


The linkage breaking is normal? Yeah, I think that happens about every 5,000 miles! crush

John


More like once a day and I did not drive 5,000 miles. That daily Lubbock, Tx rush must have been harder than I thought wink

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#2414779 - 10/24/11 02:07 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Probably a family member's 1976 Chevette - underpowered, lousy brakes etc. It wasn't a money pit though.

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#2414957 - 10/24/11 05:14 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Plymouth horizon my family bought it new for my grandma it was so bad the local tow truck driver was number two on speed dial. It was awful. My worst car would have to have been the 88 Mercedes 190e with the 2.6 it was an expensive money pit. My 90 accord sucked to Tranny issues electrical door handles broke it sucked.
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#2415413 - 10/25/11 12:35 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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One of the worst problems that happened was that the clutch didn't engage on my 04 Ford F250 while standing in heavy traffic. I blame it on my uncle as he was the previous owner and he would ride the clutch/take off in 2nd gear.
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#2416998 - 10/26/11 02:41 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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My dad had an aweful time with the 1978 Chevrolet Malibu he bought brand-new in June, 1978.

I don't know the details for sure, but I've heard in the first year, he had it re-painted and the tranny replaced from defects.

In later years, it carboned-up so bad it would barely run, coughing out black smoke and dieseling all the time.

He was SO angry with GM that he would openly insult owners of GM vehicles as ignorant idiots. He just shook his head at my Skyhawk, but still took it for a drive, LOL.
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#2440053 - 11/20/11 04:33 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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2001 pt cruiser. bought it in 08 with 45k on it. broke a tie rod in 2010 around 65k. TCM went out in dec 2010 at around 70k miles.

Had an 04 ford ranger. clutch went out at 60k rear end went out at 65k. Thing had an appetite for fan belts too.
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#2440373 - 11/20/11 09:51 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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For our family, probably a hand-me-down 1977 Granada. 351 was the miles in between repairs.

For me, not a bad car, but my 1992 LeSabre gave up in a bit short of probably 180K, burnt valve and transaxle rumble. The car looked great, leather, everything worked except AC; I had hoped to get a lot more out of it mileage wise.
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#2440676 - 11/21/11 09:04 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1973 Ford Pinto.

No explanation needed.

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#2440811 - 11/21/11 11:35 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
Robenstein Offline


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1986 Buick Skyhawk Turbo 1.8 Coupe

In the six months I owned it I replaced the Transmission, then a cracked cylinder head, then it threw a main bearing, and a few months later the turbo went out. Thing got extraordinary mileage back when gas was under a buck a gallon so I kept it going. Gave up when the electrical system went weird. Id hit the brake and the rear defroster would come on.

Second worst car I have owned was my 86 Monte Carlo SS. Thing nickels and dimes me to death lately, but it is 26 years old.
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#2442233 - 11/22/11 08:48 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Ive never had a car I considered problematic that was stock. But then Ive owned mostly American Vehicles.
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#2442608 - 11/23/11 09:46 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Gene K]
Robenstein Offline


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Originally Posted By: Gene K
Ive never had a car I considered problematic that was stock. But then Ive owned mostly American Vehicles.


You would be surprised how many "American Vehicles" are made in Canada, Mexico, Korea, or Japan.
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#2442985 - 11/23/11 04:16 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Robenstein]
FXjohn Offline


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Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: Gene K
Ive never had a car I considered problematic that was stock. But then Ive owned mostly American Vehicles.


You would be surprised how many "American Vehicles" are made in Canada, Mexico, Korea, or Japan.


He didn't say "American made". Didn't even imply it.

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#2443294 - 11/23/11 08:54 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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So a 80's Chevy Nova is American even though its basically a Corolla with different trim?

For me American means its entirely made or at least assembled in America.
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#2443565 - 11/24/11 07:55 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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#2509595 - 01/29/12 05:40 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 05/01/10
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Most Problematic of all the new cars:

2002 Mazda Protege5. Rear brake issues, lotsa broken/squeaky sway bar links.

Still, I love the car. It is a riot to drive. Still have it.

Most Problematic of all the old cars:

1984 Chevrolet C10 Deluxe. Everything. I replaced pretty much all of it. Rear end clunked, fixed it, clucnked more in 20,000 miles. Gas tank in bad spot for resisting corrosion. Replaced once. Leaked several years later. Sold it. Kinda miss it, but gimme 5 minutes behind the wheel and that would go away.

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#2509617 - 01/29/12 06:03 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Robenstein]
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Originally Posted By: Robenstein
So a 80's Chevy Nova is American even though its basically a Corolla with different trim?

For me American means its entirely made or at least assembled in America.


shrug It was made in California (NUMMI) So it was at least assembled in the United States.

Throughout the '90s it was not uncommon to see a Corolla built at NUMMI with a GM Delco CS-series alternator. But initially it was just the Chevrolet Nova version of the Corolla being built there.
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#2509706 - 01/29/12 07:14 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
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Registered: 09/23/07
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
So a 80's Chevy Nova is American even though its basically a Corolla with different trim?

For me American means its entirely made or at least assembled in America.


shrug It was made in California (NUMMI) So it was at least assembled in the United States.

Throughout the '90s it was not uncommon to see a Corolla built at NUMMI with a GM Delco CS-series alternator. But initially it was just the Chevrolet Nova version of the Corolla being built there.

Some of the ones with ABS used a variant of the gear driven ABS module found in other GM cars, although the module was located outside the brake master cylinder.

I don't know why they use the Delco CS alternator, those things were far more troublesome than the Denso unit found on typical Toyotas.
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#2521334 - 01/31/12 10:10 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Worst car I ever owned was a 1989 Suzuki Swift GT. Was my very first "brand new car", having only bought used cars up till that point. On 3rd day of ownership, the A/C compressor disintegrated, taking the belt & radiator & some other stuff with it. At around 12k miles, the flywheel let loose from the engine/transaxle and buzz sawed its way thru! Couple months after that, random electrical failures that would include the car just shutting off & refusing to restart. Fog light bulbs would last exactly 8 months, then go bad, regardless of how much or little you actually used them! CV joints & boots. Rear vent windows would randomly break free of their little plastic hinges & just swing open when making sharp turns. I replaced those plastic hinge thingies so often, it was just ridiculous! A/C compressor again. Starter failed & replaced at 28k. Alternator shortly thereafter. The dealership staff knew me by name, as I was routinely in there for warranty work at least every 8 weeks. I purchased an aftermarket warranty when the factory one expired, and used that extended warranty 7 times! Once for a transmission rebuild! After a while, I just couldnt trust that car anymore, and at 74k miles, traded it in on my new (at the time) 1994 GMC Sonoma, which I drive to this day. The GMC has been very reliable for the most part, with mainly only normal wear items needing replaced. Oh, except for the heater core being replaced twice under warranty, 1 ball joint, 1 power window motor. A/C broke again about 5k miles after factory warranty expired.
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#2522076 - 02/01/12 04:12 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: DesertDually]
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Originally Posted By: DesertDually
Worst car I ever owned was a 1989 Suzuki Swift GT. Was my very first "brand new car", having only bought used cars up till that point. On 3rd day of ownership, the A/C compressor disintegrated, taking the belt & radiator & some other stuff with it. At around 12k miles, the flywheel let loose from the engine/transaxle and buzz sawed its way thru! Couple months after that, random electrical failures that would include the car just shutting off & refusing to restart. Fog light bulbs would last exactly 8 months, then go bad, regardless of how much or little you actually used them! CV joints & boots. Rear vent windows would randomly break free of their little plastic hinges & just swing open when making sharp turns. I replaced those plastic hinge thingies so often, it was just ridiculous! A/C compressor again. Starter failed & replaced at 28k. Alternator shortly thereafter. The dealership staff knew me by name, as I was routinely in there for warranty work at least every 8 weeks. I purchased an aftermarket warranty when the factory one expired, and used that extended warranty 7 times! Once for a transmission rebuild! After a while, I just couldnt trust that car anymore, and at 74k miles, traded it in on my new (at the time) 1994 GMC Sonoma, which I drive to this day. The GMC has been very reliable for the most part, with mainly only normal wear items needing replaced. Oh, except for the heater core being replaced twice under warranty, 1 ball joint, 1 power window motor. A/C broke again about 5k miles after factory warranty expired.


This is very, very odd - Suzuki's are usually known as a pretty bulletproof, reliable small car.
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#2522121 - 02/01/12 04:55 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: addyguy]
Spazdog Offline


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Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: DesertDually
Worst car I ever owned was a 1989 Suzuki Swift GT. Was my very first "brand new car", having only bought used cars up till that point. On 3rd day of ownership, the A/C compressor disintegrated, taking the belt & radiator & some other stuff with it. At around 12k miles, the flywheel let loose from the engine/transaxle and buzz sawed its way thru! Couple months after that, random electrical failures that would include the car just shutting off & refusing to restart. Fog light bulbs would last exactly 8 months, then go bad, regardless of how much or little you actually used them! CV joints & boots. Rear vent windows would randomly break free of their little plastic hinges & just swing open when making sharp turns. I replaced those plastic hinge thingies so often, it was just ridiculous! A/C compressor again. Starter failed & replaced at 28k. Alternator shortly thereafter. The dealership staff knew me by name, as I was routinely in there for warranty work at least every 8 weeks. I purchased an aftermarket warranty when the factory one expired, and used that extended warranty 7 times! Once for a transmission rebuild! After a while, I just couldnt trust that car anymore, and at 74k miles, traded it in on my new (at the time) 1994 GMC Sonoma, which I drive to this day. The GMC has been very reliable for the most part, with mainly only normal wear items needing replaced. Oh, except for the heater core being replaced twice under warranty, 1 ball joint, 1 power window motor. A/C broke again about 5k miles after factory warranty expired.


This is very, very odd - Suzuki's are usually known as a pretty bulletproof, reliable small car.


The G13B in the Swift GTi is incredibly overbuilt. Forged steel crank, gundrilled cams...etc...way overbuilt for it's 87 octane sipping C/R.

But things like door handles and window cranks? shrug Those broke easily and regularly in my Swift GA.

I don't know about the fog-lights. I bought my Swift wrecked and put a Geo Metro front clip on. I didn't even have composite headlamps. I had whatever brand H4666 sealed beams came with the clip. Those always worked. I never had a single problem with the A/C....there was none to break. Because I had no A/C, the rear vent windows were used virtually everyday and the clips never broke.

Again, plastic inside door handles and window cranks. That's what broke and broke regularly. Replacements were actually cheaper through the Chevrolet dealer than the Suzuki dealer. (Junkyard ones were all broken too) The Chevrolet/Geo handles were a darker color but who cares? It's a cheap little car. Everything else worked well enough. Freakin' engine was practically indestructible.

I think he just got a lemon. Every manufacturer sends one out once in awhile.
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#2522349 - 02/01/12 08:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
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Fiat X 19,what a piece of [censored].
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#2522384 - 02/01/12 08:37 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1997 Volkswagen Passat, owned it for four years. Worst four years of my life, bought it new and traded it in for the BMW M3 E46 in 02.
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#2522427 - 02/01/12 09:05 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: nickaluch]
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Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Fiat X 19,what a piece of [censored].


Mine had bad transmissions.

The rest of the cars were actually pretty good. The Bertone even had power windows that worked better than my Oldsmobile's
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#2522759 - 02/02/12 08:21 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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When my folks were shopping for a car in the early 1990's, they went to a local Suzuki dealership.

The dealership had, in the front of it's lot, a 1989 Swift GT that was used by a local customer that drove a lot (courier, I think), and it had something like 270k miles on it, and the dealership had all the paperwork on what had been repaired, and I remember it was very little.

Car was in really good shape.......
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#2525823 - 02/04/12 09:54 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1972 Vega.
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#2526043 - 02/05/12 08:15 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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'91 Probe with the Vulcan. Engine is a gem, auto trans is a travesty. How that thing ever got put into production is beyond me. No matter how many times they worked on that trans, it just never was right. If it wasn't for that trans, I would've kept that car much much longer.
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#2526046 - 02/05/12 08:23 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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So far my worst car to date has been the 1997 A4 I still own. Big issue being the timing belt broke at 64k and Audi offered no help at all even though the interval was 90k. Took me 18 mos to save for a new cylinder head and all the parts and even wtih me doing the labor it was still almost 2700.(Was at tech school at the time) Finally got my money back after the class action lawsuit. Besides that its been a great car for me, not for everyone I know, but I stay on top of it and has yet to not start on me again. Besides maintenance, the car needed a vibration dampner and a few axle boots. I dont think Ill ever sell her...
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#2591360 - 04/05/12 11:25 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 08/12/11
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Loc: south dakota, usa
a '97 Bravada I bought from a used dealership. The dealer was a friend of my dad's and they both told me an older couple traded it in because the vehicle shut off on them while they were driving once. The dealer said his mechanics tried to get it to do it again but it wouldn't. I said I was marginally interested because it was only $800 and the dealer said "here's the keys, take it for the weekend and let me know on monday".

So I drove it a few places and out of town and nothing bad happened. I bought the vehicle for $700 and drove it the rest of the summer and most of the winter. Things started gradually going wrong with it like the A/C and fan not blowing, rear wiper not functioning, and the car died on me like a manual would more than once while backing out of the driveway.

In February I was driving it and all of a sudden I hear this KACHINK and the accelerator quits working. I coasted it into the parking lot and it would not start again. Had it looked at and they told me the flywheel busted off and killed the u-joint, which in turn destroyed most of the transmission. It was a domino effect in a matter of 30 seconds.

Nobody thought it was worth fixing (myself included as it was a second vehicle) and we had it towed away. It had 123,000 miles on it.

No other horror stories to speak of though.
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#2592264 - 04/07/12 03:13 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Every French, Italian, and British car I've owned. They were all very unreliable. This includes various MG, Jaguar, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Peugeot, and Renault models. The Alfa was the best of the lot.
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#2592410 - 04/07/12 08:58 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Pontiac Grand Am.
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#2592831 - 04/07/12 05:57 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Propflux01]
zerosoma Offline


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Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Pontiac Grand Am.


What year/engine and why?

My '03 GT worked great except in the snow. There was a little sludge around the mouth of the coolant tank (not the nicest thing to find), my passenger door leaked when it rained, and one of my liner boards came off, but otherwise it was a fantastic, reliable, great feeling car.

Just curious, thanks
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#2593474 - 04/08/12 10:28 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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2002 Chevy S10 ZR2. Had the famous coolant leak, vacuum leaks behind the dash, cab leaked, windshield leaked. Only had it 8 months and couldn't take it anymore.

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#2593827 - 04/08/12 06:00 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1979 Plymouth Horizon. Easily the worst, most unreliable piece of junk I ever ran across. This is no joke, the salesman broke two things while demonstrating the car's features to us prior to delivery. I should have cut and run right there but I didn't know enough.
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#2593985 - 04/08/12 09:22 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: zerosoma]
Propflux01 Offline


Registered: 09/26/02
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Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Pontiac Grand Am.


What year/engine and why?

My '03 GT worked great except in the snow. There was a little sludge around the mouth of the coolant tank (not the nicest thing to find), my passenger door leaked when it rained, and one of my liner boards came off, but otherwise it was a fantastic, reliable, great feeling car. Engine was 3.1L

Just curious, thanks

LIM gasket issue, radiator plastic burst, heater core leaked and was [censored] to replace, Tensioner, 2 power window motors, interior flooded each time it rained, 2 coil packs, one hub on the left front, 2 ignition keylock cylinder switches due to the wonderful passkey system, 1 instrument cluster bcs the gas guage quit working, bad slap when cold, manifold crack causing another coolant leak, both coil packs (at different intervals).. interior items always falling off, like door trim, visors, etc. That was my last experience I would ever have with a GM. I took good care of it, but I just couldnt keep up with the breakdowns


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#2595085 - 04/09/12 10:39 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Never had a bad car, Not even the Renault R5 (refuse to calll it a LeCar). Some had a few more problems than others but nothing that couldnt be solved by a competent mechanic.

That said I never owned a Yugo (aka Fiat built on worn out tooling with no quality control).

I guess if I had to pick one it would be the 1964 Plymouth Valiant with the 170ci Slant 6 but after 400,000 miles you have to expect things to be worn out.


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#2633246 - 05/22/12 12:37 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: cchase]
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1990 Volvo 740GL - bought it new....Had so many issues in the first year I sold it.

1999 ML320 - bought it new. Trans failed at 8,000 miles. Total POS

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#2633259 - 05/22/12 12:51 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1997 Toyota Camry V6. Not really the fault of the car but rather the fault of my father in law who owns it:

battery acid puke that corroded the front end
leaks everywhere in and out of the car
borderline failing emission
fail to change oil frequent enough
fail to do alignment after axle change causes premature worn tire
keep driving with worn sturts and causes tire cupping
broken interior due to brute force (sun visor, radio button, door handle, etc)


I'm a firm believer that he should only drive American trucks because he'll break anything else.
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#2636347 - 05/25/12 09:08 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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We have owned a bunch of cars, and most have been ultra-reliable.

Two exceptions, an '86 Toyota Van which was pretty bad (my best vehicles were Toyotas though which offset it a little)

The worst was an '04 Audi A4 1.8T CVT

We should have sold it sooner. The original transmission failed before 12K, it was replaced under warranty. That should have been a sign.I suspect that when the tranny was replaced a lot of stuff was done wrong.

All the interior trim was covered in this rubbery coating that wore off. The dealer replaced all of it eventually under warranty, including the door controls, radio, A/C controls, floor vents, etc. The good news about this was that the interior was brand new when we did sell it.

When we bought the car, I thought it was cool that it monitored each light bulb and would warn you when it burned out. I later realized this was required due to the frequency that all the bulbs burned out. I ended up keeping a stock of every single bulb. Except for the Xenon headlights, they never quit.

The front brakes stopped working around 30K, the dealer replaced the ABS pump and claimed it fixed. We said it wasn't and they then chamfered the rear pad leading edge for some reason. My estimate is that the fronts then had about 10% braking power - the rotors would get warm after a hard stop, but not hot enough to burn your finger. The good news was that we never had to replace a front pad, the bad news was that we couldn't stop very fast and we went through rear pads and rotors like crazy. And the back wheels were always black with brake dust, front stayed clean.

The car cruised through its warranty period without any more major failures, but lots of dealer visits. The front of the engine was always covered in oil, but not a huge amount. Three different dealers convinced us it was normal for the cam seals to leak. I continued to let the dealer do the oil changes to make sure we didn't lose the 80K engine (sludge) warranty

Shortly after the base warranty the monthly repairs started to exceed a car payment.

At around 40K there was a major PCV failure, a check valve stuck or leaked and turbo boost was fed into the crankcase, melting a number of the inline check valves and blowing oil out of pretty much every engine seal and the dipstick. This was well over $1,000 to repair. When the dealer did this, they only replaced the failed components and did not replace some of the seals that still leaked including the cam seals. They did do the valve cover gasket though. After this repair I started doing my own repairs to this car, it was now out of warranty and we had no goodwill at the dealer (The dealer we used most of the time was in Melbourne and was honestly pretty good)

shortly afterwards the actual PCV valve located below the intake manifold broke (cracked) at the base and required removing the intake manifold to access well enough to get the broken pieces out. That was a pleasure. /sarcasm



By 45K the engine leaked so much oil, every time I drove it I kind of expected it to catch fire and burn to the ground - which would not have bothered me. everything under the hood was constantly coated in oil and there were drops hanging off all the low points. I had never before or after had a car that leaked oil and was having a hard time swallowing the constant burning smell, etc.







at around 47K we had an inner CV joint fail which seemed strange to me at such a low mileage, but it was a surprisingly easy job compared to other cars I have done. I only use OE parts, so it was stupidly expensive.

Shortly after that we had a coilpack go bad. I new they were troublesome already so I did all 4 and changed the plugs and valve cover gasket for the second time. Not a big deal. a second engine cover clip broke, so I stopped putting the plastic engine cover back on.

Then the end broke off the dipstick one day while I was checking the oil. Not cool - but not a big deal. New dipstick w/ a new O-ring. Next time I checked the oil, the dispick tube broke off near the base of the engine. That was a bit more painful.

around 55K there was another PCV problem, one of the check valves that the dealer did not replace failed - wouldn't have been a big deal except that every piece of hose that I touched crumbled or cracked. I ended up replacing every check valve, jet pump, all the hoses and T's except for the recently replaced main valve that I had replaced 10K earlier. That was about $800 in misc parts - and now the valve cover gasket was leaking again and the rear cam chain tensioner was making noise. The front seals still leaked.


around 58K there was this horrible banging/clattering noise coming from the front of the engine. I traced it to the accessory belt. I could see the tensioner jumping around and the idler pulley had been making noise for a while. I replace the idler/tensioner assembly thinking that was the problem - it wasn't. It turned out to be the clutched pulley in the alternator that was bad. This was another - easiest if you take off the intake manifold fix. I took it to the shop for this one. I didn't have the tools to pull the pulley off and didn't want to deal with it. $800 later I got the car home. Popped the hood to see what had been done, the cable mount broke at the latch. I had to use a 4 foot screwdriver from under the car to release the hood. Once I had the hood open I looked at my $800 pulley and rigged the hood release so it would work without me having to buy a whole new assembly.

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at about 60K I did the valve cover again and saw that the timing belt was totally covered in oil. I looked in the service manual and saw that to do the timing belt you had to put the car in 'service mode' which meant pulling off the entire front clip and moving the radiator and condenser. I took it to an indy shop to have the cam seals done, the rear tensioner/guides replaced and the belt replaced. It was only a little over $1,000 which I thought was completely reasonable. This would be about the 4th time the valve cover had been off in 60K.

At 63K I realized that the car no longer leaked oil, everything worked and looked perfect and I took it to carmax.

When we sold the car it looked like this:








The car looked great and drove great. Based on looks and the way it drove we would buy another one in a heartbeat, but we definitely had a lemon. We had an A8 previously with almost no issues.
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#2636357 - 05/25/12 09:19 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Wow, that sucks! That's a beautiful car and you obviously tried your best.

One of my friends had an Audi TT that was nothing but major problems, but it was abused and neglected, so it couldn't all be blamed on the car. At one time it was sinking into my front yard for weeks and mud was starting to collect at the bottom of the wheels.
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#2636421 - 05/25/12 10:19 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Yeah, it was lame. Loved the car, but it soured me on the brand. At least owning one - a lease or 2 year ownership would be ok. I just hate to pay that depreciation and not drive it long enough to make the cost per mile reasonable.

I still look at the new ones, they are beautiful. We have never leased a car, but I am still drawn to them and would consider leasing a new one and then giving it back at the end of the term.

It just seems like with the lease you are committing to having a car payment for ever, and at the end you have nothing. Even if the money works out the same, the perception is that you don't have the asset.

We have never gotten rid of a car with so few miles on it before that. We typically at least double or triple it.
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#2636620 - 05/26/12 07:48 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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My friend's wife had and loved her Audi A4. When it was stolen, she bought an A6. BIG mistake! The result was a never-ending stream of electrical problems, including but not limited to windows that went up and down by themselves, a sunroof that got stuck (and despite six adjustments, NEVER stopped whistling on the highway), at least four bad ECM's, two ABS pumps, and the stereo changing stations by itself. She dumped it and is VERY happy with her Dodge Charger R/T Road-Track. smile
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#2637742 - 05/27/12 07:46 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Loc: Austin, Texas
I had a '92 Acura Legend that was very troublesome. I got it in '97 with 50K on it.

It had a 5 speed manual that was extremely notchy. Of course, that didn't show up on the test drive. Sometimes it just wouldn't go into 3rd gear it all. Shame, because in general the engine was very well suited to a manual.

Once I got it home and changed the oil, it immediately started having start up rattle. I could never fix it no matter what filter and what oil that I tried, and I tried a lot of them including OEM filters and just about every OTC oil out there.

At one point it started blowing clouds of white smoke. Raw gas, it turned out. I had a stuck injector. Per my indy Honda/Acura shop, I also had two other injectors that were marginal, so I replaced all three.

When I was trying to troubleshoot, I did a compression check. One cylinder was quite a bit lower than the others. I shrugged it off as I didn't have the money for major engine work. It didn't burn oil, thankfully.

One day the temperature kept creeping up. I turned the heater on to bleed off some of the heat. When I got it home, the radiator top tank had separated from the rest of it. I found a local Modine all metal replacement for less than $150 that worked fine, thankfully.

It started making strange harmonic vibrations at idle. Nobody could figure it out, but most people that rode in the car commented on it.

Oh and the car required premium.

I gave up on it and got my then-wife a new car, and took her well used E30 BMW instead, which ironically was much more reliable.
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#2637933 - 05/27/12 10:36 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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1983 Lincoln Mk VI- unlisted firing order, fuel pump failed, Crank sensor failed, digital dash worked once a month and not always in SAE units, power seats failed, timing chain led to oil starved condition up top, numerous sensors and relays(at least one a month), headlight switch fried, transmission issues(longer you drove car per day, slower it would go), worse MPG than a 460cid, and many other problems.
car was left out front of my house with signed title and keys in ignition with "FREE" on window. No takers. 2 people stopped to look at it and decided they would rather continue walking to work than drive this car. I junked it shortly afterwards.
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#2638243 - 05/28/12 11:45 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: SS1970chrysler]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: SS1970chrysler
1983 Lincoln Mk VI- unlisted firing order, fuel pump failed, Crank sensor failed, digital dash worked once a month and not always in SAE units, power seats failed, timing chain led to oil starved condition up top, numerous sensors and relays(at least one a month), headlight switch fried, transmission issues(longer you drove car per day, slower it would go), worse MPG than a 460cid, and many other problems.
car was left out front of my house with signed title and keys in ignition with "FREE" on window. No takers. 2 people stopped to look at it and decided they would rather continue walking to work than drive this car. I junked it shortly afterwards.


Unlisted firing order? It was a lopo 302, 1-5-4-3-6-2-7-8.

This car had "CFI", and used Duraspark, so it wouldn't have had a "crank sensor".

Explain the "timing chain let to oil starved condition up top" because I'm not sure what you mean here? It's a basic Windsor engine, so it isn't very complex..... However, the lopo engines had nylon gears on the upper timing gear for the timing chain. And with age, these gears would often start to come apart or fail completely, resulting in the engine stopping.
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#2638266 - 05/28/12 12:30 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 05/01/11
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Loc: PA
This one had a dual ignition control and did have a crank sensor. I changed it twice and remember that it had a SAE and a metric bolt holding it on. Look on Rockauto catalog under ignition. The firing order didn't appear in any manuals for this car and even Champion Ford in Scranton had to look through old service records to find it.
Timing gear debris plugged oil passages and screen leading to oil-starvation up top.
I'm willing to chalk half of it up to poor/uninformed service and repairs by Ford. it's pretty bad that the dealer would call and request our service manuals to borrow for this car.
My '84 CV was actually a wonderful car in comparison.


Edited by SS1970chrysler (05/28/12 12:31 PM)
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#2638275 - 05/28/12 12:44 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
That's insanity. The engine was just a regular lopo Windsor, Ford only ever used two firing orders:

1. 1-5-4-3-6-2-7-8
2. 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

#1 is lopo, #2 is HO and 351W.

You are right, it does have a CPS (which is odd, because the later SEFI engines did NOT) it must have to do with the [censored] CFI setup that it was fitted with.

The timing gear debris thing doesn't surprise me in the least. I had a set of those gears come apart on my 300 I6 that stopped the engine on the 401 East-bound. I was not a happy camper. Truck got a 302HO swap after that. My Townie got the HO double-roller from the factory (some of them did) so it was never at risk for that issue.

Your last comment rings true. CFI was a very short-lived system for Ford on the 5.0L V8. The Mustang only had it for one year, and only with an Automatic transmission. The manual car got a 4bbl. It was needlessly complex, dog slow, and was very quickly replaced by EEC-IV SEFI in passenger car applications.
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#2638578 - 05/28/12 06:24 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 1402
Loc: Jupiter, Fl
A lady I worked with had a horrible car, but with a good ending.

She bought a new Thunderbird V8 in the mid 90's. From day one it had all kinds of issues, one of which was that sometimes it just would not start. It would crank, but not fire. The dealership could not replicate or fix the problem.

One day the car was stolen from the front of our office building where she had left the keys in it with it running while she ran in to get some paperwork.

The guys who stole the car used it in a robbery and, alas, it wouldn't start when they tried to leave. She was informed that her car had been impounded and was full of bullet holes. Once she heard the whole story she literally collapsed on the ground laughing. It ended up being totaled and she bought an Accord.

The irony was that the T-bird replaced a Fairmont that was relatively troublefree.
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#2640263 - 05/30/12 12:25 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Loc: ventura, ca
1988 Ford Ranger. 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual trans, not much on options ( no A/C) That poor truck just was falling apart within a year of purchase. Thankfully it was under warranty but it had major problems all over. The ignition switch in the steering column, the catalytic convertor crumbled apart inside and clogged up the exhaust, the engine burned oil badly and was dealer "rebuilt", the power steering pump gave up and sadly, all of this was under 35K miles. Needless to say, I stuck with full size trucks after that from both GM and Ford and never had any large issues with either.

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#2642605 - 06/01/12 09:00 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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It really is amazing that there are such good and bad examples of any specific car.

Except for the original LS400 - never heard anything bad about them from anyone other than people saying that Japan would never be able to build a real luxury car.
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#2644315 - 06/03/12 10:43 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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bought a new 1984 ply fury. the intake manifold had a crack in the bottom, from the factory. letting exhaust gasses in to the intake side. the plugs looked like they were in the exhaust manifold. the rest of the car was only fair.

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#2645341 - 06/04/12 11:46 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Loc: Southern CA
05 Chevy Trailblazer. Transmission problems (severe), engine problems (moderate), paint problems, fuel tank sending unit problems. This vehicle seemed to always have a problem. Trans was rebuilt under warrantee. then the valve body was replaced under warrantee. Engine coils failed multiple times. Engine valve seats a known problem with this engine, requiring a head replacement.
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#2645865 - 06/05/12 03:12 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 6328
Loc: Onondaga County
2008 Jeep Wrangler Ruicon. Typical Chrysler garbage.

Electronic Axle Locks never worked (or would randomly lock while driving)
Electronic Swaybar disconnect never worked
Engine never ran right
Engine started burning oil and knocking at 30k.

Gotta give the 3.8 credit, it's been knocking for 30k now and still goes down the road.

Stock, it can't pull 6th gear on the flat. Foot to the floor, it just can't do it.


My Ford Taurus was a close second. Car was GREAT, just everything rusted. Severely. Had to retire it at 75k
- Unibody "frame" was rusted through and missing in may spots causing the doors to not work because there was no structure left
- Subframe mounts on the unibody frame rotted away ... there was very little holding the front suspension to the car
- Front control arms were close to popping off from rust, alignment couldn't be done
- Metal heater core pipe was rotted so bad I'd go through 1/2 gallon of water a day
- Jackpoints rotted off
- Rear springs broke
- Rear struts punched through the strut mounts ( no way to replace)
- 2 sets of front springs rusted and broke.


Edited by Miller88 (06/05/12 03:16 PM)
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#2645936 - 06/05/12 04:30 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 09/06/10
Posts: 5492
Loc: Arlington
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SS1970chrysler
1983 Lincoln Mk VI- unlisted firing order, fuel pump failed, Crank sensor failed, digital dash worked once a month and not always in SAE units, power seats failed, timing chain led to oil starved condition up top, numerous sensors and relays(at least one a month), headlight switch fried, transmission issues(longer you drove car per day, slower it would go), worse MPG than a 460cid, and many other problems.
car was left out front of my house with signed title and keys in ignition with "FREE" on window. No takers. 2 people stopped to look at it and decided they would rather continue walking to work than drive this car. I junked it shortly afterwards.


Unlisted firing order? It was a lopo 302, 1-5-4-3-6-2-7-8.

This car had "CFI", and used Duraspark, so it wouldn't have had a "crank sensor".

Explain the "timing chain let to oil starved condition up top" because I'm not sure what you mean here? It's a basic Windsor engine, so it isn't very complex..... However, the lopo engines had nylon gears on the upper timing gear for the timing chain. And with age, these gears would often start to come apart or fail completely, resulting in the engine stopping.

confused
I had a CFI 302. 1985 Mustang LX 5.0. but mine was "High Output" and used a Thick Film ignition. Overall it was pretty darn reliable. It was badly designed, the engine would run out of power before the transmission would upshift leaving about a 500-750 rpm "dead-zone" but I cannot fault it for any durability issues
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#2646020 - 06/05/12 06:06 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Registered: 12/08/06
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Look at my signature below and it will be easy to tell.

I've had my Sonata for just over one year and 20k miles. The car had 60k miles when I bought it and now has 82k miles.

In that year it's had the following problems:
-Lots of ABS/ESC warning lights. Dealer eventually told me it needed a new ABS pump for $2000. I haven't replaced it.
-Frequent check engine lights from a failed oil control valve. I replaced it myself.
-The fuel tank sometimes overflows when fueling. I haven't been able to track this down yet.
-The ABS warning light just started coming on this week. I have a few things to check before I pay the dealer $107 to scan it. frown


I definitely have not been satisfied with this car. I really wish I would have paid more for a higher-quality vehicle. If I had to do it over I definitely would not have bought this car.

This has been the most unreliable car I've owned in 13 years of driving. It's even less reliable than the 2000 VW Beetle my girlfriend drives, and those have lots of problems.


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#2646154 - 06/05/12 08:46 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 25964
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SS1970chrysler
1983 Lincoln Mk VI- unlisted firing order, fuel pump failed, Crank sensor failed, digital dash worked once a month and not always in SAE units, power seats failed, timing chain led to oil starved condition up top, numerous sensors and relays(at least one a month), headlight switch fried, transmission issues(longer you drove car per day, slower it would go), worse MPG than a 460cid, and many other problems.
car was left out front of my house with signed title and keys in ignition with "FREE" on window. No takers. 2 people stopped to look at it and decided they would rather continue walking to work than drive this car. I junked it shortly afterwards.


Unlisted firing order? It was a lopo 302, 1-5-4-3-6-2-7-8.

This car had "CFI", and used Duraspark, so it wouldn't have had a "crank sensor".

Explain the "timing chain let to oil starved condition up top" because I'm not sure what you mean here? It's a basic Windsor engine, so it isn't very complex..... However, the lopo engines had nylon gears on the upper timing gear for the timing chain. And with age, these gears would often start to come apart or fail completely, resulting in the engine stopping.

confused
I had a CFI 302. 1985 Mustang LX 5.0. but mine was "High Output" and used a Thick Film ignition. Overall it was pretty darn reliable. It was badly designed, the engine would run out of power before the transmission would upshift leaving about a 500-750 rpm "dead-zone" but I cannot fault it for any durability issues


The HO had a different firing order (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8, I know that one off the top of my head... LOL!) but yes, saddling it with CFI essentially turned it into an epic turd.
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#2646481 - 06/06/12 08:58 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Once you figured out the automatic '85 5.0 LX/GT you could actually go pretty quickly. You had to lift off at about 4500-4750 to force an upshift and then slam the pedal back down. If you do it right, you get a single upshift and it doesn't kick back down. Watch the carbureted 305 Camarobird fade in the rearview.

It's just so counterintuitive to lift off in an automatic when you are dragracing. Especially if you get holed.

The TPI 305s were dead above 5000rpm too. They were just better sorted for it than the one year wonder that was the H.O. CFI Mustang. IIRC the IROC-Z tach read yellow at 4500rpm and redline was 5000.

In my opinion, the H.O. CFI 5.0 Mustang had the badly sorted transmission shift point. One flaw. The rest of the car was as reliable as any other Fox 5.0. So it doesn't make my worst list. It's on my lengthy, "Why did Ford do that?" list.
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#2646943 - 06/06/12 05:35 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
SS1970chrysler Offline


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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SS1970chrysler
1983 Lincoln Mk VI- unlisted firing order, fuel pump failed, Crank sensor failed, digital dash worked once a month and not always in SAE units, power seats failed, timing chain led to oil starved condition up top, numerous sensors and relays(at least one a month), headlight switch fried, transmission issues(longer you drove car per day, slower it would go), worse MPG than a 460cid, and many other problems.
car was left out front of my house with signed title and keys in ignition with "FREE" on window. No takers. 2 people stopped to look at it and decided they would rather continue walking to work than drive this car. I junked it shortly afterwards.


Unlisted firing order? It was a lopo 302, 1-5-4-3-6-2-7-8.

This car had "CFI", and used Duraspark, so it wouldn't have had a "crank sensor".

Explain the "timing chain let to oil starved condition up top" because I'm not sure what you mean here? It's a basic Windsor engine, so it isn't very complex..... However, the lopo engines had nylon gears on the upper timing gear for the timing chain. And with age, these gears would often start to come apart or fail completely, resulting in the engine stopping.

confused
I had a CFI 302. 1985 Mustang LX 5.0. but mine was "High Output" and used a Thick Film ignition. Overall it was pretty darn reliable. It was badly designed, the engine would run out of power before the transmission would upshift leaving about a 500-750 rpm "dead-zone" but I cannot fault it for any durability issues


The HO had a different firing order (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8, I know that one off the top of my head... LOL!) but yes, saddling it with CFI essentially turned it into an epic turd.


I've let it ride long enough. Still no correct guesses on the '83 MKVI firing order. wink
The firing order of this particular engine was: 1-3-4-8-6-5-7-2
It also used a weird multi-contact rotor and distributor cap with that order stamped into it. Any other firing order would cause the cats to glow red hot and give lots of misses and backfires. The cylinder numbering was the same so essentially, it fired one side of the engine, then the other. :?
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#2646946 - 06/06/12 05:40 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: SS1970chrysler]
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Originally Posted By: SS1970chrysler


I've let it ride long enough. Still no correct guesses on the '83 MKVI firing order. wink
The firing order of this particular engine was: 1-3-4-8-6-5-7-2
It also used a weird multi-contact rotor and distributor cap with that order stamped into it. Any other firing order would cause the cats to glow red hot and give lots of misses and backfires. The cylinder numbering was the same so essentially, it fired one side of the engine, then the other. :?


I think you'll enjoy this post from Ford trucks:

Quote:
If it's a California truck it's a good chance the ignition is EEC-III (brown grommet on ignition module.)

The EEC-III distributor rotor fires alternately from both sides of the distributor rotor.

The firing order you listed is correct for a 351w, but the spark plug wires for an EEC-III distributor will be wired counter clock-wise in a different order.

351w firing order, CCW: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

351w wire order, CCW: 1-5-7-8-6-3-4-2

Similar for the 302:

302 firing order, CCW: 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

302 wire order, CCW: 1-3-4-8-6-5-7-2


grin

So I guess we're both right? LOL!
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#2646955 - 06/06/12 05:57 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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True. You can also see why no one was able to fix this car back then as well. smile
It did have brown grommet module. The was kind of a transition setup I guess. My '82 T-bird with 255 and 84 CV with 302 were just fine though.
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#2647030 - 06/06/12 07:43 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: SS1970chrysler]
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duh I remember those caps! It looked kinda' like a Nissan NAPS-Z distributor cap (8 spark plug 4 cylinder in 200SXes, and 720 and D21 Pickups)

I thought they were for the hopeless variable venturi carb'd 302s. We stocked it at Western Auto, but I cannot remember ever selling it
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#2647031 - 06/06/12 07:44 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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Yeah, weird one-off setup. Typical Ford, LMAO!!!
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#2647417 - 06/07/12 09:25 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Yeah, weird one-off setup. Typical Ford, LMAO!!!


Knowing Ford ...

It was probably used for a period of 3 months on engines assembled on Mondays and Thursdays, Engines assembled on Wednesdays and Fridays had a different firing order.

Of course, that alll changed for the subsequent 3 quarters.

The only one that shows up in a factory service manual is the configuration that never made it to production.

Gotta love Ford and their running changes.
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#2690876 - 07/21/12 03:15 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
duh I remember those caps! It looked kinda' like a Nissan NAPS-Z distributor cap (8 spark plug 4 cylinder in 200SXes, and 720 and D21 Pickups)

I thought they were for the hopeless variable venturi carb'd 302s. We stocked it at Western Auto, but I cannot remember ever selling it


My VV-carb 302 (1982 Marquis wagon) used a regular Duraspark cap with the normal firing order.
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#2691185 - 07/21/12 09:04 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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My 1980 Chevy Monza. I experienced a succession of costly repairs from premature transmission rebuilds, electrical system failures,brake problems etc etc. I don't have enough fingers on both hands to count the number of times I could not operate the car because of mechanical failure. What did I do: Replaced it with another Chevy product that was always in the shop for " unscheduled repairs". I finally learned my lesson and started buying Japanese cars. As expected, all of the vehicles I have owned over the last 20 years have been exceptionally reliable and I have been delighted with the ownership experience.

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#2691671 - 07/22/12 12:13 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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So far 2003 Nissan Sentra with the 1.8L L4 QG18DE, liked its head gasket too much. Other than that nothing really wrong with it. 2009 Smart fortwo shifted terribly if you left it in "auto" mode but I knew that going in...


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#2724529 - 08/25/12 01:09 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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interesting reads....
to the omni folks (now comes the long-winded story of our largely trouble free Omni), we had one when i was growing up. dad bought it new in 85($5k). It was the basest of base models, no power anything,no A/C, didn't even come w/ a radio. Dad had an AM only unit installed.(still what he mostly listens to)Peugeot 4 cyl, 4 speed manual(computer was set up for a 5 speed... cruisin' along in 4th,occasionally the up-shift light would come on.) dad drove it for a couple years, then mom's car until 90. then went to my older brother(his 79 grand prix had just been stolen), he drove it for a few more years, then loaded it up Clampett style when he moved to Dallas. by the next summer, he figured out that maybe he DID need a/c in N.Texas, and sold it to our cousin in Toledo(whose dad just happened to be in Dallas on a business trip)(approx '93) cousin drove that Omni until the floor pans rusted out. (?'97?)
that was the only REAL problem with that car.other than somehwere around 150k a spark plug had been slightly stripped, and about every 1k mi, you'd have to tighten it back down..
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#2724538 - 08/25/12 02:13 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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on paper, the worst car I've ever had is also one i wish i still had... It was my grandpa's 1987 Olds 98 Regency Brougham.
I inherited it after he passed, He had bought it used (w/ about 60k mi) in '90.
(replaced a 77 Olds 98 with the 400, and well over 200k mi, that had a severe case of bubble cancer all over. )
any how, in the time i had the car...(oct.98-aug.2001)

1)it ALWAYS had a leak (fairly significant) along the top of the windshield that i could never fully silicone closed.(went to work/school on more than a few days w/ wet pants)

2)window motors were ...geriatric... if you tried to use more than 1 @ a time, one of them would crawl to a stop while the other went up.

3)Tapes got stuck in the deck, so i got an aftermarket stereo w/ a cd player, which lead to....

4) car was stolen from me while i was @ a movie theater 100mi from home. only had liability (poor college kid, 12yr old car, w/115k mi...)so after it was recovered had to replace stereo, lower dash panel that they had busted out ripping the stereo out, steering column that they had busted into and started the car w/ a screw driver, and patch up the door skin where they had popped the lock cylinder on the drivers door.

5) various $50-$100 repairs(sensor here, motor mount there)

6) this one at least partly my fault- brakes never thought about 'em untill the wear tabs started chirping, and even then didn't do anything untill i couldn't drown it out w/ the stereo. so when i took it in, not only did it need new brakes all around, but the flexi brake lines up front were pretty rotten, and had to be replaced, and the front struts were shot and needed replacing as well. (totaled over $900)

7)about 120k mi,(maybe mid oct.99) the Timing belt broke. had it replaced($600), but the damage had been done. the oil passages had been blocked, and with in 500mi the engine sounded like a meat grinder.
rebuilt(Jasper) engine installed($2500)

8)Shortly there after, i was clowning around in the college parking lot, and heard/felt a loud BANG!! from under the hood. drove ok, so i ignored it. after a bit, it started chattering/bucking when you first take off from a stop, unless you reallly grannied it. then heading home from work on christmas eve morning, it just would go forward no more. I was able to throw it in reverse, and get into the driveway of a couple from my parents church. after i got it towed to the trusted local trans shop, turns out i had some how snapped the drive band...oops... tranny rebuild ($2000)


9) clutch in the power antenna motor burns out (while i'm on crutches, and in in no position to tear the wheel well apart to try and fix it) causing the antenna motor to run constantly (even with the key out). I discover pulling the radio fuse kills the circuit, so i do that EVERYTIME i turn the car off...after my legs healed up, i bought a "universal" power antenna kit. will NOT fit where i need it to.(darn GM and their structural supports for the fenders!)so just replace it with a standard fixed mast antenna.

10)CAT self destructed, and heat sheild rattled constantly.
solution: a) remove heat shield(just the downward facing part that was doing the rattling) b) later on (since i didn't feel like starting grass fires @ the fairgrounds-"lawn parking"- actually put a universal cat on (~$200)

11) NOT MY FAULT!! - went to the local(corp. owned) goodyear shop to get some new tires. while I'm waiting, i hear this horrendous crash sound. the tech had mistaken the cars second (LEFT)accelerator(grandpa's right leg was amputated) for a clutch or something...slammed the car into the columns between the outer bay doors, right in the center of the Rad, cracking it in 1/2, and bending the frame/unibody...
they paid MY body shop to repair the damage, but for some reason "couldn't" rent me a car, however they could reimburse me for the rental when the repairs were completed. (2 mo, and $900 in rental charges later...)

12)some where in there the rear gas struts (car had "air level ride") went out. i never replaced them ,when i sold it it looked like it was kinda squatting..

13) some idiot tried to roll down the rear drivers side window during the winter months...it popped, and went down about an inch, never to move again...(duct tape to the rescue!)

14) summer 2001, as i started shopping for a new car,the ac started leaking freon (r-12) (14yrs in the rust belt.. not unexpected really)

when i sold it, with 140k mi on the odometer, EVERYTHING forward of the "A" Pillar was less than 2 yrs old
about 20k on rebuilt engine @ trans.
between my dad, and Goodyear, around $10k had been put into the car, that i could only sell for book value ($2000)
(to be fair it still needed a couple grand in repairs...Rear struts, ac leak, window motors, windshield seal,etc.)
I still have a pair of fog lamps i bought for that car, and never got around to installing....


Edited by earlyre (08/25/12 02:19 AM)
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#2725950 - 08/26/12 07:28 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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A 1984 Pontiac Sunfire. It had all sorts of problems(overheating, idling, starting.....) but not sure if was the prior owner or just a cruddy car.

It was given to me. I left a airport carpark.

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#2725984 - 08/26/12 07:53 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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74 Delta 88 Royale convertible.

When the ex rammed a truck at highway speed the rear coil springs fell out. Springs shouldn't just fall out like that. Will GM ever learn?

Edit:
Also, it was drafty.


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#2726088 - 08/26/12 09:48 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: earlyre]
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Originally Posted By: earlyre
interesting reads....
to the omni folks (now comes the long-winded story of our largely trouble free Omni)....


I've heard many stories about the Omni/Horizon. Particularly from owners of the early models with the VW engine. Not the GLH. They praise the virtues of this weird American/French/German combination and I wait for the punch-line. It never comes.

I've driven the 2.2 models and I really can't understand why anybody would like this car. But they do. shrug
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#2726882 - 08/27/12 06:14 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: earlyre]
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Originally Posted By: earlyre
on paper, the worst car I've ever had is also one i wish i still had... It was my grandpa's 1987 Olds 98 Regency Brougham.
I inherited it after he passed, He had bought it used (w/ about 60k mi) in '90.
(replaced a 77 Olds 98 with the 400, and well over 200k mi, that had a severe case of bubble cancer all over. )
any how, in the time i had the car...(oct.98-aug.2001)

1)it ALWAYS had a leak (fairly significant) along the top of the windshield that i could never fully silicone closed.(went to work/school on more than a few days w/ wet pants)

2)window motors were ...geriatric... if you tried to use more than 1 @ a time, one of them would crawl to a stop while the other went up.

3)Tapes got stuck in the deck, so i got an aftermarket stereo w/ a cd player, which lead to....

4) car was stolen from me while i was @ a movie theater 100mi from home. only had liability (poor college kid, 12yr old car, w/115k mi...)so after it was recovered had to replace stereo, lower dash panel that they had busted out ripping the stereo out, steering column that they had busted into and started the car w/ a screw driver, and patch up the door skin where they had popped the lock cylinder on the drivers door.

5) various $50-$100 repairs(sensor here, motor mount there)

6) this one at least partly my fault- brakes never thought about 'em untill the wear tabs started chirping, and even then didn't do anything untill i couldn't drown it out w/ the stereo. so when i took it in, not only did it need new brakes all around, but the flexi brake lines up front were pretty rotten, and had to be replaced, and the front struts were shot and needed replacing as well. (totaled over $900)

7)about 120k mi,(maybe mid oct.99) the Timing belt broke. had it replaced($600), but the damage had been done. the oil passages had been blocked, and with in 500mi the engine sounded like a meat grinder.
rebuilt(Jasper) engine installed($2500)

8)Shortly there after, i was clowning around in the college parking lot, and heard/felt a loud BANG!! from under the hood. drove ok, so i ignored it. after a bit, it started chattering/bucking when you first take off from a stop, unless you reallly grannied it. then heading home from work on christmas eve morning, it just would go forward no more. I was able to throw it in reverse, and get into the driveway of a couple from my parents church. after i got it towed to the trusted local trans shop, turns out i had some how snapped the drive band...oops... tranny rebuild ($2000)


9) clutch in the power antenna motor burns out (while i'm on crutches, and in in no position to tear the wheel well apart to try and fix it) causing the antenna motor to run constantly (even with the key out). I discover pulling the radio fuse kills the circuit, so i do that EVERYTIME i turn the car off...after my legs healed up, i bought a "universal" power antenna kit. will NOT fit where i need it to.(darn GM and their structural supports for the fenders!)so just replace it with a standard fixed mast antenna.

10)CAT self destructed, and heat sheild rattled constantly.
solution: a) remove heat shield(just the downward facing part that was doing the rattling) b) later on (since i didn't feel like starting grass fires @ the fairgrounds-"lawn parking"- actually put a universal cat on (~$200)

11) NOT MY FAULT!! - went to the local(corp. owned) goodyear shop to get some new tires. while I'm waiting, i hear this horrendous crash sound. the tech had mistaken the cars second (LEFT)accelerator(grandpa's right leg was amputated) for a clutch or something...slammed the car into the columns between the outer bay doors, right in the center of the Rad, cracking it in 1/2, and bending the frame/unibody...
they paid MY body shop to repair the damage, but for some reason "couldn't" rent me a car, however they could reimburse me for the rental when the repairs were completed. (2 mo, and $900 in rental charges later...)

12)some where in there the rear gas struts (car had "air level ride") went out. i never replaced them ,when i sold it it looked like it was kinda squatting..

13) some idiot tried to roll down the rear drivers side window during the winter months...it popped, and went down about an inch, never to move again...(duct tape to the rescue!)

14) summer 2001, as i started shopping for a new car,the ac started leaking freon (r-12) (14yrs in the rust belt.. not unexpected really)

when i sold it, with 140k mi on the odometer, EVERYTHING forward of the "A" Pillar was less than 2 yrs old
about 20k on rebuilt engine @ trans.
between my dad, and Goodyear, around $10k had been put into the car, that i could only sell for book value ($2000)
(to be fair it still needed a couple grand in repairs...Rear struts, ac leak, window motors, windshield seal,etc.)
I still have a pair of fog lamps i bought for that car, and never got around to installing....


wow....thanks for that. I don't feel so bad about the money I poured into my '85 Skyhawk.....
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#2727104 - 08/27/12 09:17 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: earlyre
interesting reads....
to the omni folks (now comes the long-winded story of our largely trouble free Omni)....


I've heard many stories about the Omni/Horizon. Particularly from owners of the early models with the VW engine. Not the GLH. They praise the virtues of this weird American/French/German combination and I wait for the punch-line. It never comes.

I've driven the 2.2 models and I really can't understand why anybody would like this car. But they do. shrug


My mother's got 35+MPG, handled pretty well, ran 200,000+ reliable miles (and she still is not the most diligent about PM), and would, with the seats folded, swallow a freezer. My only real beef was that it had no A/C, and the brakes, while they were OK, heated up quickly (solid front rotors). Well...that, and it was not a GLH! laugh

I had a Shelby Charger with the 2.2 turbo...it was not a comfortable highway runner, but wow, was it fun! smile
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#2727456 - 08/28/12 09:27 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: Spazdog]
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THey were [censored] good cars with the 2.2 5spd. Very simple and well built for the time. You have to remember the competition was terrible, in that segment. I had a Charger and Turismo, both carbed cars, very reliable.

The Turbo I 2.2 were even better and faster. The GLHS Omni was a rocket. I have driven some souped up Omnis, think 350 WHP. A simple cooler and intake upgrade on T1 to T2 with GLHS stg 2 puter and fatter injectors will run high 12's all day long and return 35 mpg.

Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: earlyre
interesting reads....
to the omni folks (now comes the long-winded story of our largely trouble free Omni)....


I've heard many stories about the Omni/Horizon. Particularly from owners of the early models with the VW engine. Not the GLH. They praise the virtues of this weird American/French/German combination and I wait for the punch-line. It never comes.

I've driven the 2.2 models and I really can't understand why anybody would like this car. But they do. shrug

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#2735371 - 09/05/12 12:23 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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I bought a clean '94 Honda del Sol SI from my brother in law about 12 years ago. I liked the car a lot, comfortable a quick for what it was, but I had a bunch of niggling little problems with it.

The CD changer kept breaking requiring it to be taken apart to get my CDs out. The door handle on the driver's side broke inside the door, requiring replacing some of the rods and guts to fix. The supposedly stainless muffler pipe rotted out at the flange requiring replacement.

But it was the drifting while on the highway and the pulling to one side while on the brakes is what killed it for me. I could never get it fixed properly. It was always one step forward, two steps back with that car. I do something to try to fix or improve it in some way, and something else would happen. I got tired of it. Too bad too, because it was a sharp little car and I wanted to like it more than I did. I didn't shed any tears when I traded it in.

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#2736468 - 09/06/12 05:02 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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had a 1984 ply fury 318 V-8. it had a loose of power, it ran better with half throttle than full. took it to the dealer 3 times, couldn't find any thing . two plugs had black, they looked like they had been in the exhaust. in a way they was. the inkake had a crack letting the exhaust into the intake. just remember when you buy a chrysler product, ITS YOURS, YOU WONT GET ANY HELP FROM CHRYSLER.

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#2736831 - 09/06/12 11:44 PM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: VNTS]
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Originally Posted By: VNTS
THey were [censored] good cars with the 2.2 5spd. Very simple and well built for the time. You have to remember the competition was terrible, in that segment. I had a Charger and Turismo, both carbed cars, very reliable.

The Turbo I 2.2 were even better and faster. The GLHS Omni was a rocket. I have driven some souped up Omnis, think 350 WHP. A simple cooler and intake upgrade on T1 to T2 with GLHS stg 2 puter and fatter injectors will run high 12's all day long and return 35 mpg.

Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: earlyre
interesting reads....
to the omni folks (now comes the long-winded story of our largely trouble free Omni)....


I've heard many stories about the Omni/Horizon. Particularly from owners of the early models with the VW engine. Not the GLH. They praise the virtues of this weird American/French/German combination and I wait for the punch-line. It never comes.

I've driven the 2.2 models and I really can't understand why anybody would like this car. But they do. shrug

I had 7 different Turbo Mopars including Shelby Lancer #24, Loved them all and they were easy to modify. My Jetta TDI made them seem like the pinnacle of automotive excellence and reliability.
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#2736874 - 09/07/12 04:11 AM Re: Worst or most problematic car you've owned? [Re: volk06]
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I had an 01 Monte Carlo SS. It was a blast to drive, it was owned by an older couple, always serviced on time. It was in excellent condition, and I actually got quite a few compliments because of how nice it looked. Well...it was nice for about 2 months? Maybe?

I considered getting rid of my 96 Grand Prix when I bought this car, but in the end, I couldn't get rid of a perfectly functioning, nice looking car, that as a second car was dirt cheap to insure. So I kept it, best choice I could have made. The Monte Carlo's rack and pinion went bad, it would leave puddles all the time. I had to refill the PS every 500 miles. So I replaced the rack and pinion and tie rod ends, then discovered both front wheel bearings were bad. So it got pretty much a new front end, but wait! The fuel pump decided to start screaming, so a new pump went in.
It was good for a month...then the AC compressor started screaming bloody murder. It came apart internally, so new compressor, orifice tube, and rev/dryer.
Now the climate control head decided it didn't need to work anymore, so I got one from a junk yard for that.
Then my brakes started acting up randomly. It would randomly not stop straight, first thing I did was check all slides. Caliper and pads all moved freely and had plenty of grease. Then I noticed the right front wheel had a lot more brake dust then the rest...so I was at first thinking the caliper was bad. Then the ABS randomly engaged. Now the brakes would consistently not stop straight sometimes haha. Meaning if it acted up once, it would keep it up. Then I had the odd idea maybe the ABS module/pump had failed. So I cycled the key while it acted up one day...and the brakes would act perfect again.

At this point, I was getting a little sick of repairing this car. I had put more miles on my old car then this one because it was broke so much.

So I'm getting ready to repair the brake issue...but wait, it decides its not done being broke. I back out of my parking space, which involved a slight bump, and my left front stayed down. I'm thinking it broke a spring, great. Nope, the strut locked up, while down. Next morning all was well again...what? Never seen that before.

So now I'm pricing out a new ABS module/pump, front struts and mounts (the mounts got noisy when turning...), when it decides now is a good time to start throwing BCM problems at me. Locks get a mind of their own, trunk randomly pops by itself, alarm just goes off on it's on.

I'm getting sick of this...but wait, there's more! The upper intake starts leaking coolant, then the lower intake does the same. Now I'm looking at struts, mounts, ABS work, tearing the motor apart, and BCM replacement. This is getting a little insane...throw in a transmission that is randomly shifting hard/soft...and I decide enough is enough. I'm a good mechanic, and I could fix everything...however, it's just not worth it at this point. So I polish it up and go car shopping. The body and everything was in such good shape that I still got over 3k in trade for it, so I was perfectly happy with that.

I picked up an 07 Grand Prix for a steal, that was in perfect shape. No regrets. I miss the Monte for the "fun factor" of a sporty two door...but then I remember, my 96 Grand Prix is a sporty two door with no money pit problems. I always love this...my 96 almost burns no oil, it loses about 1/2 quart in 6k OCI. The Monte used a quart every 2000...The 96 had twice the miles!
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1996 Grand Prix 3.1 V6 220,000 Pennzoil Plat 5W30/Wix Filter
2007 Grand Prix 3.8 137,000 Rotella 5W40/Wix Filter
1930 Ford Model A Stock Rotella 15W40

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