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#2393634 - 10/01/11 11:07 PM New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V
Techniker Offline


Registered: 08/07/10
Posts: 140
Loc: Virginia
I'm sure this is old news, but I just picked up a gallon of Valvoline Maxlife ATF which apparently is now spec'd to Mercon LV, which I know is not interchangeable with Mercon V. However, I specifically remember it used to being compatible with Mercon III-V which is why I always used it. So how big of a change is this? Is Valvoline Maxlife still safe for the original Mercon III transmissions?

This has been our standard ATF supply for most vehicles coming into our shop and now I am starting to wonder...

-Techniker

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#2393774 - 10/02/11 07:13 AM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: Techniker]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 6843
Loc: Rochester NY
Lots of good things mentioned here at Bob's about Valvoline MaxLife ATF, which is DexornIII/Mercon. I don't know what Valvoline is calling their brand new ML on the bottles. Does it still say "DexronIII/Mercon? There is no such ATF as MerconIII although I have heard of many people calling it so.

With all of the good reporting on Valvoline MaxLife ATF and Valvoline printing that VML ATF now meets MerconLV, I would use it with confidence.
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#2393777 - 10/02/11 07:24 AM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: Char Baby]
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Registered: 08/07/10
Posts: 140
Loc: Virginia
This is the Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc bottle. Its listed compatabilities are for Dex II, III, and VI and Mercon LV. It appears that Valvoline MaxLife has done away with being Mercon compatible. Glad to see they give such good warning on a bottle specifically labeled Dex/Merc on the front... mad

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#2393778 - 10/02/11 07:26 AM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: Techniker]
Techniker Offline


Registered: 08/07/10
Posts: 140
Loc: Virginia
Update:

Strange, the website for Valvoline still lists it as being Mercon and Mercon V compatible yet the bottle does not...I've heard things about Valvoline not always updating their website. I'm really starting to lose faith in them.

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#2393836 - 10/02/11 08:47 AM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: Techniker]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 6843
Loc: Rochester NY
Well, don't loose faith in Valvoline. The people running their web page don't have anything to do with the products and Valvoline doesn't have anything to do with the web page except the information the marketing div. provide. Completely different dept's.

Most companies outsource the web site to another web page company as many companies outsource their payroll to another payroll company.

I'm sure that the lube guys are doing their job! The materials mgt. folks need to get the the artwork designers for the labeling on the bottles so that the company that is making/printing the bottles can get it right!

It's just a bunch of dept's trying to stay on the same page. There might be an issue with the lack of communication between departments. I find this to be everywhere!
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#2397750 - 10/05/11 11:03 PM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: Char Baby]
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Registered: 04/06/07
Posts: 127
Loc: Texas
Valvoline lowered the viscosity of MaxLife to match Dexron VI specs two or three years ago. MaxLife is not Dexron VI certified because it does not use the mandated Afton additive package, but Valvoline claims that MaxLife meets all the physical specifications for Dexron VI.

The viscosity specifications for Dexron VI and Dex/Merc are incompatible. GM claims that the lower viscosity Dexron VI works in essentially all applications that originally specified Dexron II/III. GM withdrew the final Dexron II/III specification (Dexron III(H)) when Dexron VI was introduced in 2005 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEXRON). Prior to Dexron VI, each Dexron specification was backward compatible with the preceding specification, so a fluid certified as Dexron III(H) met all prior Dexron specifications. Dexron VI does not. Neither does Valvoline MaxLife. But Dexron VI and
Valvoline MaxLife reportedly work well in most Dex/Merc applications, largely confirming GM's recommendations.

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#2404479 - 10/12/11 10:12 PM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: Techniker]
TN Tracker Offline


Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 39
Loc: East Tennessee
Got this email today:

Quote:
Notification of Incident Change

Workspace:Valvoline Product Support
Incident:Valvoline.com New User Registration
Incident Number: 3775
Status:Closed
Date:10/12/2011
Time:08:04:39
Creation Date:10/11/2011
Creation Time:20:12:08
Created By:feedback@valvoline.com
Description:
Thank you for contacting Valvoline with your application question. For your 2004 Ford Focus application, we recommend the use of our Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF product to meet the Ford Mercon V specifications recommended by your manufacturer, as this product is 100% compatible.

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#2417597 - 10/27/11 08:35 AM Re: New Valvoline MaxLife ATF- Mercon LV vs. Mercon V [Re: TN Tracker]
Klutch9 Offline


Registered: 01/07/09
Posts: 1716
Loc: Rochester, MI, US, World
Originally Posted By: TN Tracker
Got this email today:

Quote:
Notification of Incident Change

Workspace:Valvoline Product Support
Incident:Valvoline.com New User Registration
Incident Number: 3775
Status:Closed
Date:10/12/2011
Time:08:04:39
Creation Date:10/11/2011
Creation Time:20:12:08
Created By:feedback@valvoline.com
Description:
Thank you for contacting Valvoline with your application question. For your 2004 Ford Focus application, we recommend the use of our Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF product to meet the Ford Mercon V specifications recommended by your manufacturer, as this product is 100% compatible.


I used Maxlife earlier in the year in my '07 Focus, which also requires a Mercon V fluid. I know for a FACT that the back of the Maxlife bottle said 'Mercon V'. However, as stated, Valvoline's website does not list Mercon V on the PDS for Maxlife ATF.

As further proof, when it was time for me to change out the trans fluid, I had access to Maxlife ATF and Valvoline's actual/specific Mercon V fluid for the same price. I went with the Maxlife not only because it is a synthetic fluid, but also because it meets the Mercon V spec as well. I wouldn't have used it if it didn't.

It gets even more confusing, because the FAQs page on Valvoline's website specifically says that Maxlife ATF meets the Mercon V specs. It also says that the actual/specific Mercon V ATF fluid that they sell is a synthetic, which it used to be... but no longer is. This was confirmed in an email sent to a customer from Valvonine themselves. The Mercon V bottles used to say 'synthetic' on them, but no longer do. It seems like Valvoline's printing, website, and technical departments are all on a different page.


Edited by Klutch9 (10/27/11 08:45 AM)
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