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#2317773 - 07/16/11 02:50 PM Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it?
friendly_jacek Offline


Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 5225
Loc: southeast US
https://valvoline.promo.eprize.com/engineguarantee/register

Quote:
If you have 125,000 miles or less,

register for Valvoline's free, no hassle engine guarantee program. You can get up to 300,000 miles of guaranteed engine life and can sign-up for future savings from Valvoline and its partners.


Is this worth the effort? The only catch is documented oil changes every 4000 miles.

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#2317777 - 07/16/11 02:56 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
How many people put 300,000 miles on their cars?
How long will it be before Valvoline cancells the program?
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#2317778 - 07/16/11 02:57 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
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Registered: 02/06/10
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Don't get me wrong....I think Valvoline has excellent oils....BUT IMO...its just a way to sell more oil....

Anything less than 6K to 7,500K on a Synthetic....is a waste of time, $$$, and resources....on the majority of engines.
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#2317780 - 07/16/11 02:58 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: Oregoonian]
daves87rs Offline


Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 13398
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Don't get me wrong....I think Valvoline has excellent oils....BUT IMO...its just a way to sell more oil....

Anything less than 6K to 7,500K on a Synthetic....is a waste of time, $$$, and resources....on the majority of engines.

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PP 5w20 / Puro PureOne / OCI: 8,000 +/-




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#2317782 - 07/16/11 02:59 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: daves87rs]
John_K Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 2276
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
Doing it for the rebates, the guarantee is lame.

John
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#2317787 - 07/16/11 03:04 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: Steve S]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12782
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: Steve S
How many people put 300,000 miles on their cars?
How long will it be before Valvoline cancells the program?


Hands raised! (on how many put 300,000+ miles on their vehicles) drive

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#2317796 - 07/16/11 03:09 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
RamFan Offline


Registered: 05/09/10
Posts: 1556
Loc: Illinois, U.S.A
Check me as a "no" on the Valvoline guarantee.

I will however be signing up for the Quaker State money back program once I get back to the states and its OC time. They allow you to simply change when the manufacturer states instead of restricting you to a 3k mi/3mo routine, that and their products are usually the cheapest available it seems like a no brainer to me. Especially if you stock up when rebates or sales are going on.

As far the 300k mile club. I have not made it to 300k in any vehicle, however I will have about $50k worth of student loans to pay back so I plan on having my Charger until I get those paid off the very least, needless to say I will probably make it to the 300k well before I pay off the $50k.


Edited by RamFan (07/16/11 03:11 PM)
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#2317800 - 07/16/11 03:10 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
exranger06 Offline


Registered: 01/25/08
Posts: 2551
Loc: Guilford, CT
Totally not worth it. Read the fine print, and you'll find that it doesn't actually cover ANYTHING. Genius marketing: Make up an incredible warranty so tons of people will buy your product, and never have to pay out a dime because of the fine print.
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#2317817 - 07/16/11 03:30 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
EricF Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 1558
Loc: SF Bay Area
I'm at 216k with Synpower 10w-30, been in use since 51k
before that was durablend 10w30 which started at 20k before that was valvoline conventional
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#2317849 - 07/16/11 04:40 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: exranger06]
tommygunn Offline


Registered: 01/27/11
Posts: 2552
Loc: usa
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Totally not worth it. Read the fine print, and you'll find that it doesn't actually cover ANYTHING. Genius marketing: Make up an incredible warranty so tons of people will buy your product, and never have to pay out a dime because of the fine print.
have you read it by chance? I haven't read the valvoline guarantee....but have read the QS and Pennzoil guarantees....they seem to be "legit" but the whole idea to me seems kind of crazy, sure it's cool they are publicly guaranteeing their oil for 300k......BUT, with Valvoline, I believe you have to use SynPower the whole time......the QS 300k warranty seems to be a tad more "lax" you follow your manufacturers maintenance schedule (don't think the maintenance minder applies! lol....did NOT see any mention of that though...)


But the Pennzoil engine guarantee is real sketch, have to change the oil every 4k or something....lol, seems ridiculous.


And the whole idea (per the nay-sayers.....) is the fact that if you are changing a "quality" motor oil every 4,000 miles, you should not ever "HAVE" a "lubrication related problem" with the engine/motor oil.......and simply put, that's all they are covering.

If the car overheats, and the engine blows, you aren't covered, since it wasn't a "lubrication related problem" - but a cooling system neglect/problem that caused the engine to overheat, and thus blow up wink


And believe me, I'm sure they have labs ready to evaluate the engine oil, the coolant, and every other possible fluid for possible "neglect" if you happen to make a claim.



The QS 300k seems neat though........BUT, they aren't saying you get $3000 if you can make the car go 300k miles on their product......they base it on the trade-in value of the vehicle in "fair" condition, per KBB if I recall......and it's only valid on vehicles that have been manufactured in the past 2-5 years....

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#2317850 - 07/16/11 04:42 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
chubbs1 Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 4574
Loc: Merritt Island FL, USA
If you use the 300k "guarantee", Valvoline makes so much money of of you they could buy you a new corporate jet. Trust me it works out EXTREMELY well in their favor. I'm sure they will buy themselves a corporate jet (or 12) though. Same goes with all of the oil co's...500,000mi on Pennzoil...it is just ridiculous.
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#2317870 - 07/16/11 05:28 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: John_K]
fdcg27 Online   content


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 9197
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: John_K
Doing it for the rebates, the guarantee is lame.

John


This is the whole point for most of us here.
This is a stealth rebate program, with the only limit being based upon how many cars you enroll.
Using a code found on a hang tag, I'll get $15.00 back on two gallons of clearance Maxlife SB bought for $10.70 each.
So, after sales tax and postage and MIR, I'm paying around .90/qt for Maxlife SB.
The significance of this program is that it allows an unlimited number of cheap after MIR purchases.
The guarantee part is nonsense, and I can't imagine sticking to either Valvoline products or changing as often as required for the life of a vehicle.
Even more frequent changes than I already do, and the boredom factor of not trying different oils.
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09 Forester 64K PU 5W-30
02 Accord 127K G-Oil 5W-30
01 Focus ZX3 98K Synpower 10W-30
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#2318463 - 07/17/11 11:15 AM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: tommygunn]
exranger06 Offline


Registered: 01/25/08
Posts: 2551
Loc: Guilford, CT
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
have you read it by chance?


Yep, I've read it. Here are some snippets from Valvoline's website:


It only covers "oil wetted" parts in the engine:

Quote:
“Covered Engine Parts” means all internal "oil wetted" engine parts, including: pistons, piston rings, piston pins, crankshaft and main bearings, connection rods and rod bearings, camshaft and camshaft bearings, timing chain and timing gears, intake and exhaust valves, valve springs, guides, oil pump, push rods, rocker arms, hydraulic lifters and rocker arm shafts. The engine block and cylinder heads are also covered if mechanical failure was caused by a failure of the above-listed parts. Covered Engine Parts does not include the following: a) all fuel system parts, b) all ignition, starting and electrical system parts, c) turbocharger and supercharger systems, d) the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system, and e) exhaust manifolds


If you never change the oil and the engine sludges and seizes, it's not covered:

Quote:
The Covered Consumer must comply with all scheduled engine maintenance recommended by the Qualifying Vehicle’s manufacturer as outlined in the Qualifying Vehicle’s owners manual. The Covered Consumer must repair significant oil leaks and perform other necessary maintenance and repairs to prevent damage to the engine.


If the engine fails due to overheating, it's not covered:

Quote:
3.“Qualifying Engine Breakdown” means a) the immediate and apparent total mechanical failure of a Covered Part to work as it was designed to work in normal services, and b) the vehicle electrical, fuel, computer engine management, cooling, induction and exhaust systems are all working properly, and are not the cause of engine failure.


If engine fails because timing belt snapped, it's not covered. Also, if the oil somehow leaks out and the engine seizes, it's not covered:

Quote:
THIS LIMITED WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER CLAIMS THAT ARE THE RESULT OF: COLLISION OR OTHER ACCIDENT; THEFT; VANDALISM; RIOT; EXPLOSION; EARTHQUAKE; LIGHTNING; FREEZING; OVERHEATING; INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL FIRE; WATER OR FLOOD DAMAGE (INCLUDING PRIOR FLOOD DAMAGE); NEGLIGENT, RECKLESS, KNOWING OR INTENTIONAL DAMAGE; TIMING BELT FAILURE; IMPROPER SERVICE OR MAINTENANCE; DEFECT ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURER; IMPROPER INSTALLATION OF ANY PART; FLUID CONTAMINATION (I.E., COOLANT, FUEL, WATER OR FOREIGN MATERIAL); OR THE FAILURE TO KEEP THE MOTOR OIL AND ENGINE COOLANT AT LEVELS PRESCRIBED BY THE MANUFACTURER


It doesn't cover wear and tear like worn piston rings and other worn out parts:

Quote:
A Qualifying Engine Breakdown does not include the reduction in operating performance due to wear and tear, including a reduction in engine compression due to worn rings or valves, or abnormal sounds such as “knocking,” “pinging,” or “rattling” sounds when a breakdown has not occurred.


There, I just listed every single way an engine can possibly fail, and the guarantee doesn't cover any of it.

https://valvoline.promo.eprize.com/engineguarantee/view_terms
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1992 Honda Accord EX -173k mi
1994 Ford Explorer Sport -190k mi
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#2318519 - 07/17/11 12:21 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: friendly_jacek]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12782
Loc: UT
And Valvoline should NOT have to warranty if the oil was never changed, the engine was overheated due to any coolant system problems, normal wear parts or if the timing belt broke.

How are any of those "issues" Valvoline's responsibility?

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#2319596 - 07/18/11 01:04 PM Re: Valvoline Engine Guarantee, anyone doing it? [Re: Bill in Utah]
Oregoonian Online   content


Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 2107
Loc: Bend, Oregon
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
And Valvoline should NOT have to warranty if the oil was never changed, the engine was overheated due to any coolant system problems, normal wear parts or if the timing belt broke.

How are any of those "issues" Valvoline's responsibility?

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03' Ford Focus SE (2.3L Duratec PZEV)/ 125K +
M1 0w20 AFE / Fram 'Ultra'/OCI: 8k to 10K
Autolite APP103 Dbl. Plat.
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