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#230146 - 03/30/04 01:46 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
cheeks Offline


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 100
Loc: College Station, Texas
Thank you, Bluebird.

Glad you're the one with the deductive reasoning....I wouldn't be able to "deduce" anything from that info [Big Grin]

That's why there are people on this board like me who receive a lot more than they are able to contribute, unfortunately.

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#230147 - 03/30/04 02:32 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
jthorner Offline


Registered: 07/11/03
Posts: 1130
Loc: California
You know, if this was a Redline oil analysis it seems that there would be many people saying it was a great result from a great oil, but since it is a Valvoline product there is the usual chorus of bad mouthing.

Harumph!

John

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#230148 - 03/30/04 03:51 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
Motorbike Offline


Registered: 11/25/03
Posts: 2602
Loc: The Tropics of Antartica
quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:



Would love to hear more comments from the BIOTG folks--positive or negative. Have at it.



Paul I'm glad you pulled an analysis cause I've told you directly and indirectly if you wanted to you a heavier oil that a HD Diesel oil was not the ticket and now you can see why .

The PAO in the Maxlife acted more like a cold start aiding additive here since you have great results running through winter as you did .

These results are excellent but I'm confused if or not it was a running sample . If so and the truck were mine I would spin the filter off and run it on up aways for fun ...but thats me .

Thats STP stuff they don't make anylonger . Give to a neighbor [Big Grin]

Valvoline no lookee so bad in this motor and how ir's driven .

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#230149 - 03/30/04 07:13 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
quote:
Originally posted by Motorbike:
Paul I'm glad you pulled an analysis cause I've told you directly and indirectly if you wanted to you a heavier oil that a HD Diesel oil was not the ticket and now you can see why .

Thanks, I have resisted going with a Diesel motor oil for various reasons. I am planning to run 15w40 next for the summere, but it is Valvoline Maxlife, a PCEO. Assume this shows I don't need a diesel oil because PCEO is adequate. I am quite happy how the 10w40 held its viscosity almost to the spec sheet level.

quote:
The PAO in the Maxlife acted more like a cold start aiding additive here since you have great results running through winter as you did .
Well I cheated a bit. Had a 250 watt oil pan heater for all early morning cold starts, but did see some afternoon cold starts down to around 10F, of course that did not have a long time for cold soak.

quote:
These results are excellent but I'm confused if or not it was a running sample . If so and the truck were mine I would spin the filter off and run it on up aways for fun ...but thats me .
It is a running sample and I overzealously drained off about 1/2 quart before I took the sample and so it now has nearly a quart of fresh oil in it. I am at 3300 miles and plannning to go the whole 4500 miles. Not sure what you mean on the filter? Drain it and reinstall it? Replace it? Analyze it? I plan to leave it alone since it is the big one (Wix version of the 7-inch FL299).

quote:
Thats STP stuff they don't make anylonger . Give to a neighbor [Big Grin]
I just can't stand it. Gotta play with something. I think the STP extender was their best product ever. Mainly because it is not a thick gooey mess like their oil treatment. And I couldn't stand it until I put half a bottle in. At this point it can't hurt, may help. But you are right, I have to wean myself from these additives. Just the oil should be enough.

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Valvoline no lookee so bad in this motor and how ir's driven .
I do like Valvoline. So does NAPA. Hey I was just at the NAPA store and they have high mileage for $1.79 and the guy said it is the same as Maxlife. I wonder. Also they had a new NAPA (Ashland) oil: 15w50 Full Synthetic. Wow! That sounds like a great oil. About $3.50 a quart is a deal too.

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#230150 - 03/30/04 07:20 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
quote:
Originally posted by Schmoe:
The ZDDP amounts are higher with M1, that's with a vehicle with more miles on the UOA.

Maybe so, but look at the recent virgin sample of the Chevron Supreme 10w30, a brand highly regarded at BIOTG:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000121#000012
Zinc is only 879 and Phosphorus is only 732. My Valvoline has about that much after 3000 miles. Guess the Valvo stands up pretty good next to Chevron and that's saying a lot. Yeah the Chev has moly but it does not look like much and the Chevron is cheaper, though I supposedly can get the Maxlife under NAPA label for $1.79.

Not sure about the iron. Is 7 really that high?

[ March 31, 2004, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: TallPaul ]

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#230151 - 03/30/04 05:05 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
Schmoe Offline


Registered: 05/12/03
Posts: 6409
Loc: Oklahoma
Yeah....and just how many Chevron UOA's are out there compared to GC and M1????

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#230152 - 03/30/04 07:25 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
Bror Jace Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 4878
Loc: Saratoga, NY
Guys, this is a very good report ... but would we expect anything else from merely 3,000 miles in moderate weather? Sorry, but real cold for us northerners begins at 0F. [Wink]

Really, this report says more about the engine than the oil. No filtration or glycol issues ... and no component ready to give up the ghost. That's good news! [Cheers!]

Max-Life having PAO is news to me. I don't trust MSDS sheets regardless of brand and the techs at Valvoline lied to me and others repeatedly in years past so I don't trust them either. What's left? [Roll Eyes]

Johnny told us just over a year ago that MaxLife is Group II ... and I'm sticking with that until I hear a really credible source say otherwise.

The chemists can correct me if I'm out of bounds, but "Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic Distillate" can be Group II. It's the degree of hydrotreating/hydrofinishing which makes oil a Group II or II+. I believe hydrocracking (Group III) is another process entirely.

Anyone know if the Mobil High Mileage oil, mentioned earlier, has any ester in it? Given Mobil's direction away from esters coupled with the above comment suggests the "high-mileage" comment is merely marketing language, probably having to due with the 10W30 weight, and not really describing the technical make-up of the oil like other brands. [Razz]

Like some of the others above, my main "issue" with Valvoline was basically that their oils have historically had fewer additives in them than the competition. I used to be a fan now it's my least favorite of the major brands. [I dont know]

"... if this was a Red Line Oil analysis it seems that there would be many people saying it was a great result from a great oil, but since it is a Valvoline product there is the usual chorus of bad mouthing."

I don't really think that's fair. At 3,000 miles, nearly any oil would/should look good ... unless it shows excessive thinning and then it gets panned regardless of brand ... as it should.

" ... and just how many Chevron UOA's are out there compared to GC and M1?"

For intervals 4,000 miles and less, there are plenty of great Chevron UOAs on this site! [Big Grin]

TallPaul: "look at the recent virgin sample of the Chevron Supreme 10w30, a brand highly regarded at BIOTG ... Zinc is only 879 and Phosphorus is only 732. My Valvoline has about that much after 3000 miles. Guess the Valvo stands up pretty good next to Chevron and that's saying a lot. Yeah the Chev has moly but it does not look like much ..."

The Chevron has similar levels of zinc, phosphorous PLUS moly, boron-based additives AND the UOAs to show the combo they have settled on works really well. [Wink]

"I do like Valvoline. So does NAPA. Hey I was just at the NAPA store and they have high mileage for $1.79 and the guy said it is the same as Maxlife. I wonder. Also they had a new NAPA (Ashland) oil: 15w50 Full Synthetic. Wow! That sounds like a great oil. About $3.50 a quart is a deal too."

Ashland has bottled oil for NAPA for over a decade. I'd guess that it's the same as All Climate because I can't seem them formulating a white-label oil with even fewer additives and passing SL. No idea what their 15W50 synthetic is ... but I'd guess it's a Group III and so $3.50 per quart is a bit high. [I dont know]

Anyway, MaxLife is serving you well. If you want to add something to it to address its light additive package (and there's no indication you really need to do anything to it at all) I'd add some Schaeffer #132.

--- Bror Jace

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#230153 - 03/31/04 08:44 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
Schmoe Offline


Registered: 05/12/03
Posts: 6409
Loc: Oklahoma
Roger that BJ. I was refering to 5K and above. It's just about a given that M1 and GC and easily go 5K and beyond.

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#230154 - 04/01/04 11:04 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
regalman Offline


Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 28
Loc: Lansing, MI
Did anybody else notice that they made comments about a different engine than what the guy has?

He has an inline 6 and he is showing wear patterns for a v6???

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#230155 - 04/02/04 12:34 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
quote:
Originally posted by regalman:
Did anybody else notice that they made comments about a different engine than what the guy has?

He has an inline 6 and he is showing wear patterns for a v6???

Typo. I emailed them the next day and they sent out a corrected report.

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#230156 - 04/02/04 01:47 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
darkdan Offline


Registered: 09/18/03
Posts: 897
Loc: owatonna, mn
It's a Ford I6! You can drain the oil out of it and have just as good wear numbers. Go ahead, try to kill that thing, it's like Dracula but immune to sunlight!

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#230157 - 04/02/04 07:31 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
Cutehumor Offline


Registered: 12/10/02
Posts: 8957
Loc: USA
quote:
Originally posted by Bror Jace:
Guys, this is a very good report ... but would we expect anything else from merely 3,000 miles in moderate weather? [Wink]


I guess I could say the same for those on here that do UOA on 5k/6k miles on premium syn (redline, amsoil) "Good report but what should we expect for only a 5k interval on syn" [Razz]

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#230158 - 04/04/04 12:18 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
DavoNF Offline


Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 451
Loc: Bribie Island, Oz
TP,

That is an excellent report, considering the miles on the engine. There are not many xW-40 reports here. Valvoline is a good choice for this motor, regardless of what additive packages other oils have.

"If the shoe fits"


Dave

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#230159 - 04/04/04 06:48 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Thanks Dave. I realize the other oils have moly and other components, but maybe there are other components of the Maxlife that the lab dosen't test for. One thing that got me to stick with Maxlife 10w40 was the very high flash point, so I expect little consumption. Also it held viscosity nicely. Flashpoint is lower in the report. Not sure why. I think it is not as accurate as what the company does for their spec sheet.

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#230160 - 04/04/04 05:32 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife 10w40
Bror Jace Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 4878
Loc: Saratoga, NY
CuteHumor: "I guess I could say the same for those on here that do UOA on 5k/6k miles on premium synthetics (Red Line, Amsoil, etc ...) 'Good report but what should we expect for only a 5k interval on syn?' "

I really don't think it's quite the same ... and I'm impressed with just about any oil which gives a really clean report with 5,000 miles of use.

--- Bror Jace

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