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#2253396 - 05/06/11 10:09 AM Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke?
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Registered: 04/07/11
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Loc: Ankeny, IA
Buddy of mine just got this in a 2006 F250. He is doing changes himself but knows nothing about diesel oil (Much like me) I told him about Rotella T6, Valvoline Premium Blue, and Kendall GT-1 Diesel. Which would be best for his truck (60K miles) Also, what should the OCI's be with each of the oil's I suggested? Thanks in advance!
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#2253463 - 05/06/11 11:20 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
If he wants to run dino 15W40 pretty much any of the big 3 (Delo, Rotella, Mobil Delvac 1300) can handle 7500 miles under normal service, 5000 under severe conditions, and 10W30 dino is better in winter if you can't plug in the block heater nor run an oil pan heater. I run 5W40 synthetic in my co.'s '05 6.0 because I usually can't plug it in, and it really doesn't like starting cold, even with 10W30. The fact it has over 230K miles on it now is probably part of the reason it has trouble starting & running cold, even though the oil has been religiously changed every 5K.
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#2253477 - 05/06/11 11:31 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Thanks for the reply, he was planning to run a synthetic in it, so he could have longer OCI's. I have read that on oils like T6 synthetic you can go up to 20-30K. Is that true?
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#2253487 - 05/06/11 11:38 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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I doubt you'll be able to go 20 - 30k miles on T6 without some major oil filtration.

From what I've heard, Schaeffer 9000 5w40 is an excellent oil for the HEUI engines as the HPOP really shears the snot out of most oils, but S9k is far more resistant to shear thinning.

Buddy of mine runs Mobil 1 TDT in his 6 leaker with excellent results - but any of the CJ-4 oils should do fine. In Iowa, you really should run a 5w40 synthetic in cold weather.
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#2253506 - 05/06/11 12:03 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
Griz95 Offline


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Originally Posted By: renegade_987
Thanks for the reply, he was planning to run a synthetic in it, so he could have longer OCI's. I have read that on oils like T6 synthetic you can go up to 20-30K. Is that true?


If he plans to run synthetic so he could have longer OCI...make sure he understands he needs a good by-pass filtration system also. I would also recommend he has his oil sampled at 5K, 10K, 15K and 20K especially the during the first 20K to see how things are going. Some oils and engines don't play well together and he needs to how the oil is doing in his truck.

Griz95


Edited by Griz95 (05/06/11 12:04 PM)
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#2253508 - 05/06/11 12:04 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Registered: 04/07/11
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Loc: Ankeny, IA
thanks guys, i think i will reccomend either Delo or T6 to him.
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#2253536 - 05/06/11 12:36 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Originally Posted By: renegade_987
Thanks for the reply, he was planning to run a synthetic in it, so he could have longer OCI's. I have read that on oils like T6 synthetic you can go up to 20-30K. Is that true?
I just want to echo Griz95's comment that your friend will need to install a bypass filtering system in addition to synthetic oil to make 20K OCIs plausible. Without it, 10K is as far as he'd want to go.
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#2253622 - 05/06/11 01:52 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
rufushusky Offline


Registered: 05/18/09
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Loc: Mass.
He has a 6.0 which will shear the [censored] out of the oil, no bypass filter can fix that. IMHO even on a stock truck I would only go 7500 miles on a 10w30 like rotella T5. I have seen UOAs of 6.0 shearing 40wt oil down to the 30s in 3500 miles. 30 weight oils in the 6.0 seem more resistent to shearing.

He also NEEDS a coolant filter before his oil cooler clogs with junk.
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#2253632 - 05/06/11 01:57 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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FWIW, I suggest deleting the EGR on this truck based on the experience my buddy Jon and others have had with the EGR coolers. They are a nightmare.

Also a +1 to rufushusky's advice above. This engine is very hard on oil, I have a UOA of my buddy's '05 6.0L PSD on Delvac 1 5w40, and it hammered it.
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#2253642 - 05/06/11 02:03 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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I agree with rufshusky... Does your friend live in Iowa also? I beleive it gets pretty dang cold there... will the 6.0L be kept in a garage overnight? Reason I ask is on those very cold winter days and nights... A 5W-40 or 10W-30 or makes a big difference when starting compared to a 15W-40...

Alot of good advice from above... tell him to keep his OCI between 3K and 5K miles and his 6.0L will last along time...
{With a good 5W-40 he might beable to push 7K mile OCI}.
If he chooses to stay with a 15W-40 or 10W-30
? I would tell him to keep his OCI between 3K-5K miles.

I'm also a firm beleiver in the coolant filters...

Change that fuel filter between 10K and 15K miles, or just once a yr...whichever comes first...

Also: Have him look into an EGR delete kits...One major flaw in the 6.0L...
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#2253651 - 05/06/11 02:11 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
rufushusky Offline


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 261
Loc: Mass.
And another thing with 6.0s, use good filters. Like Syn said change the fuel filters every 15k miles. I would recommend motorcraft filters since I have heard of other brands having clearance and fit issues with the drop in oil filters and the fuel filters lacking the water stripping of the factory filters. I would look online for the MC filters, you will save a lot. Most Wally Worlds have MC oil filters and rotella T5 so you should be good with that.

Really, the 6.0 gets an undeserved bad rep. Yes it pops head gaskets and EGR coolers but Dodge and Chevy have their own flaws too.


Ok I am off my soap box!
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#2253724 - 05/06/11 03:26 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Check out the HDEO UOA section. I've been running 10w-30 for the last 40,000mi., year around with excellent results. Synthetic isn't required.
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#2254232 - 05/07/11 07:11 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Loc: Litchfield, Ohio
10w30 diesel oil and stick with motorcraft filters.
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#2254308 - 05/07/11 09:20 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
renegade_987 Offline


Registered: 04/07/11
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Loc: Ankeny, IA
Thanks guys, he decided on Rotella T6 5w40 with 7-10K OCI's.
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#2254446 - 05/07/11 02:04 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
rufushusky Offline


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 261
Loc: Mass.
Originally Posted By: renegade_987
Thanks guys, he decided on Rotella T6 5w40 with 7-10K OCI's.


I would do a UOA at 5k, 6.0s are very tough on oil.
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#2254465 - 05/07/11 03:09 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: rufushusky]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 3992
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Originally Posted By: rufushusky
And another thing with 6.0s, use good filters. Like Syn said change the fuel filters every 15k miles. I would recommend motorcraft filters since I have heard of other brands having clearance and fit issues with the drop in oil filters and the fuel filters lacking the water stripping of the factory filters. I would look online for the MC filters, you will save a lot. Most Wally Worlds have MC oil filters and rotella T5 so you should be good with that.

Really, the 6.0 gets an undeserved bad rep. Yes it pops head gaskets and EGR coolers but Dodge and Chevy have their own flaws too.


Ok I am off my soap box!
Dunno, at least the problems with the Cummins & Dmaxes usually don't require taking the cab (or in my company van's case, the ENTIRE BODY) off to fix!!
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#2254484 - 05/07/11 03:50 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: bullwinkle]
rufushusky Offline


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 261
Loc: Mass.
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Dunno, at least the problems with the Cummins & Dmaxes usually don't require taking the cab (or in my company van's case, the ENTIRE BODY) off to fix!!
http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/meb727/?action=view&current=DSC00172.jpg


True 6.0 fixs are very labor intensive but an injector swap on a LB7 or CR Cummins is not cheap either.
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#2264259 - 05/17/11 10:19 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: rufushusky]
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Registered: 09/10/02
Posts: 279
Loc: Fallon, Nevada
First a little background on my truck. 2006 F-350 6.0 PSD that will be 6 years old this September. 96,000 mile on the odo (2600+ hours on the engine) and the truck is stock except for a Magnaflow turbo back exhaust(lost the cat),FS2500 Oil Bypass Filter,DieselSite coolant and tranny filter kits, and a few other items. Truck is used daily and has towed some various loads, and has been trouble free. Operated mostly in Northern Nevada where the weather can be extreme(-20 F to 100+).I do all my own maintenance. Here are my recomendations. Use a synthetic such as Rotella T6 5w-40 or Mobil 1 TDT. I use the Rotella myself, and both are readily available. HEUI injectors like the synthetic when it is cold. Use Racor (OEM supplier)or Motorcraft filters only for the oil and fuel system, Donaldson (OEM supplier)or Motorcraft air filters. I would not exceed the 7500 oil change interval as the HPOP (High Pressure Oil Pump)will shear the oil to about a 30w at 5K. I change my oil at the 5K interval. Change fuel filters at 20k if you can get fresh clean diesel fuel, otherwise you will have to change them more often. Fuel supply is crucial for injector life. Treat the diesel fuel with Stanadyne Performance Formula or another high quality fuel treatment that acts as a water de-mulsifier, improves lubrication, and boosts cetane. Fuel treatment helps with keeping the EGR system clean. Avoid excessive idle time with this engine...bad for EGR system. Maintenance is crucial on these engines and there is no cheap way around that fact. If you skimp on maintenance you will probably suffer for it. And get a good set of guages or a monitor of some type to watch the Engine coolant temp, Engine oil temp,Exhaust gas temp (EGT),and Fuel Pressure. Get a coolant filter installed and now is the time to do a coolant flush...ignore the recommended 100k change interval. Any questions just ask.


Edited by Jakebrake (05/17/11 10:25 PM)

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#2264391 - 05/18/11 04:55 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: Jakebrake]
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Registered: 05/14/07
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Originally Posted By: Jakebrake
Any questions just ask.


OK - Here's a few questions:

* Are you aware that thiner oils (10w-30) perform really well in the cold for cold-start and "romp" issues, and they are OEM approved?
(BTW - your average low in DEC in Fallon is +17 deg F; same as all of us in the central mid-west. You don't "need" synthetic in your area; dino 10w-30 would perform just as well.)

* What's wrong with a 30 grade anyway? I've seen very good UOAs with these engines when 30 grade was the starting point.

* Did you know that 30 grade lubes don't shear much, if any, at all in the PSD? The HEUI seems to prefer 30 grades, and if you don't feed it one, it will take your 40 grade and make you one in about 5k miles or so. (There is nothing wrong with using either grade; I just am trying to dispell the myth that 30 grades are undesireable. Shearing of oil without proof of detrimental wear is simple rhetoric and unfounded fear.)

* How in the world will fuel treatment keep the EGR clean? (I've never seen that claim from any of the major fuel treatment makers such as Howes, Stanadyne, PowerService, etc. I think that's a bit of a stretch; if that were a direct benefit, I'm sure they'd all claim it.)

* You run T-6 and bypass FS2500, but still OCI at 5k miles?

* Do you do UOAs?


Edited by dnewton3 (05/18/11 05:15 AM)
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#2264475 - 05/18/11 07:56 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: dnewton3]
rufushusky Offline


Registered: 05/18/09
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Loc: Mass.
Originally Posted By: dnewton3}\


* How in the world will fuel treatment keep the EGR clean? (I've never seen that claim from any of the major fuel treatment makers such as Howes, Stanadyne, PowerService, etc. I think that's a bit of a stretch; if that were a direct benefit, I'm sure they'd all claim it.)



Yeah that is a new one on me too. Only way to keep the EGR clean is to actually clean it.
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#2264711 - 05/18/11 12:00 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: dnewton3]
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Problem with 30 grade is the HTHS is typically 3.4-3.5. You need atleast 3.7 for the powerstroke if I remember correctly from a ford engineer. Mobil 1 TDT is 3.8 HTHS and does very well in the 6.0 powerstrokes with proper filters. I would go Mobil 1 if your wanting synthetic. I would go Mobil 1 delvac 1300 or chevron delo LE if you want dino.

Before I got the Duramax I have now, i owned a '04 6.0 powerstroke for 5 years, and all I ran was Mobil 1 TDT, its a great year round oil.
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#2265041 - 05/18/11 06:37 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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If, as you guess, the PSD needs a 3.7 HTHS then why is it recommended?
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#2268525 - 05/22/11 11:36 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: dnewton3]
Jakebrake Offline


Registered: 09/10/02
Posts: 279
Loc: Fallon, Nevada
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: Jakebrake
Any questions just ask.


OK - Here's a few questions:

* Are you aware that thiner oils (10w-30) perform really well in the cold for cold-start and "romp" issues, and they are OEM approved?
(BTW - your average low in DEC in Fallon is +17 deg F; same as all of us in the central mid-west. You don't "need" synthetic in your area; dino 10w-30 would perform just as well.)

* What's wrong with a 30 grade anyway? I've seen very good UOAs with these engines when 30 grade was the starting point.

* Did you know that 30 grade lubes don't shear much, if any, at all in the PSD? The HEUI seems to prefer 30 grades, and if you don't feed it one, it will take your 40 grade and make you one in about 5k miles or so. (There is nothing wrong with using either grade; I just am trying to dispell the myth that 30 grades are undesireable. Shearing of oil without proof of detrimental wear is simple rhetoric and unfounded fear.)

* How in the world will fuel treatment keep the EGR clean? (I've never seen that claim from any of the major fuel treatment makers such as Howes, Stanadyne, PowerService, etc. I think that's a bit of a stretch; if that were a direct benefit, I'm sure they'd all claim it.)

* You run T-6 and bypass FS2500, but still OCI at 5k miles?

* Do you do UOAs?


1. 10W-30's are a bit better than 15W-40's, but are not as good as the synthetics when it is real cold (sub-zero temperatures). I live in Fallon, but my truck is not always operated in Fallon. There are areas I frequent in Northern Nevada where temperatures can be much coolder than the average temperature you claim for Fallon. Most of my friends also have Ford PSD's of various years so I am able to make various observations of their operation in cold weather. I have seen temp's as low as 22 below zero on hunting trips.

2. I did not say anything was wrong with a 30 grade.

3. I have heard and read that 10w-30's don't shear as much as the 5W-40's, but I personally don't have any experience with them in my truck so I can't really speak or make any recommendations.

4. I just recently changed my EGR valve ( for the first time about 4k miles ago) and was surprised at how clean it and the intake manifold was. This has been a troublesome area for many 6.0 PSD engines and I attribute the fact that mine was so clean and troublefree to the use of the Stanadyne. I changed the valve out because my curiosity got the best of me...I kept it for a spare in case I should ever find the need. Stanadyne claims that their product improves combustion and reduces soot...I think that leads to a cleaner EGR system in my truck.

5. Yes I run T6 now, and have used whatever version of Rotella Synthetic 5w-40 was in production at the time. I have even used the Mobil 1 TDT for a short while when it was at a better price than the Rotella. I also have the FS2500...and I still stick to the 5k oil change interval. I was not looking to extend the oil change interval when I bought the FS2500, I wanted the improved filtration. You might deem this as unnecessary, but that is what I choose to do.

6. I have used Blackstone Labs for both Used and Virgin Oil analysis, but I don't have any recent reports. I still have an account with them and should probably take advantage of them. After I became comfortable with my engine's wear numbers I got out of the habit of sending in samples. I was doing it mainly for waranty concerns.

I think I prefaced my earlier post with the statement that all my information was really a "recommendation", and they are not absolute. You probably will not agree with all my methods but they have worked for me, and I have been able to make observations of other trucks similar to mine operating in similar conditions.

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#2268534 - 05/22/11 11:47 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: rufushusky]
Jakebrake Offline


Registered: 09/10/02
Posts: 279
Loc: Fallon, Nevada
Originally Posted By: rufushusky
Originally Posted By: dnewton3}\


* How in the world will fuel treatment keep the EGR clean? (I've never seen that claim from any of the major fuel treatment makers such as Howes, Stanadyne, PowerService, etc. I think that's a bit of a stretch; if that were a direct benefit, I'm sure they'd all claim it.)



Only way to keep the EGR clean is to actually clean it.


Not true in my case. My EGR valve was cleaner than others that only had about a quarter of the miles on them. Mine was functioning well at the time I replaced it.

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#2268540 - 05/22/11 11:57 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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I don't know about diesel engines but two years ago I had emission-control-sytems problems (primarily a bad thermostatic vacuum-switching valve) and I found out that my EGR valve was completely plugged with half-inch-thick rock-hard carbon deposits. I cleaned it with a screwdriver and brake-cleaner solvent. It was as good as new afterwards (tested using vacuum and compressed air). I had to change my EGR vacuum modulator though, which had a torn diaphragm, apparently a common problem.

The intake manifold was as clean as it could be though. For some reason the carbon deposits only accumulated in the EGR valve.
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#2272171 - 05/27/11 09:46 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Two words (okay one word and one acronym): EGR delete. You'll have a one million mile engine if you do this. By doing this you will save the environment by not sending all that iron to the scrap yard to be melted.

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#2277858 - 06/03/11 12:00 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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Call the dealer. They will recommend heavy duty 10W30 with an exception for severe duty towing, 15w40.
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#2279004 - 06/04/11 12:43 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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I just acquired a 2006 Ford F350 TD 6.0L. The manual states that Ford "prefers" 10W-30 below 50F and 15W-40 above 50F. In any case, Rotella T5 10W-30 syn-blend looks like some hearty stuff and has a listed pour point of -42F, rivaling most full synthetics for passenger cars...

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#2279255 - 06/04/11 06:46 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: Nickdfresh]
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Loc: Texas
Just an FYI to the new 6.0L owner - Ford issued a TSB recommending 5W40 from -20*F to over 100*F.
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#2279626 - 06/05/11 08:21 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
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I appreciate that bismic1, do Ford dealerships offer a 5W-40 like Rotella or TDT? I know I've seen Motorcraft 15W-40 around...

*edit I see they do.


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#2279712 - 06/05/11 10:50 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
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Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
I don't know about newer, lower-mileage 6.0s-but at 232K my '04 doesn't like to start cold in general, and there is a BIG difference below 20F (unplugged) starting between 10W30 dino and 5W40 synthetic. In my case, probably the only thing I drive regularly that HAS to have synthetic. On the one occasion that the Ford dealer changed the oil (when it didn't need it & I had told them not to do it) & left it outside overnight in winter w/15W40 dino-it chugged like a Briggs & Stratton and filled the parking lot with gray unburned fuel smoke!
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#2279741 - 06/05/11 11:31 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
FiremarshalRob Offline


Registered: 03/25/08
Posts: 553
Loc: Baton Rouge, LA
I read all these posts and all I can do is CRINGE! I, VERY UNFORTUNATELY, was the owner of a 2006 6.0L PSD. I had every problem known to man with this thing.
Oil cooler went out, EGR cooler went out, blew the headgaskets, terrible cold morning starts when it got down into the 40's, several computer re-flashes.

I simply could not keep the JUNK out of the shop. Paid more $100 deductibles than I could keep track of. Finally I let her go and MY GOD am I glad I did. I was desperate to get my 2001 5.4L triton F150 back that only hiccuped on me once, and that was my #4 coil pack which was an easy, quick fix. I unfortunately sold it to my wife's grandfather, and couldn't buy it back.

I was honestly BLESSED when I stumbled across my 2002 7.3L PSD with 41k miles. It only stayed on the lot 2 days and I just got lucky. I got 15k my worthless 6.0L with 96k miles on it(God bless the poor soul who bought it, if anyone did) and paid 19,200 for the 2002 black supercrew 7.3L Lariat that came with Firestone Ride Rite bags, an extra 40 gallon diesel tank, 5th wheel rails, and the full system for trailer brakes.

Regarding the 6.0L, I had a coolant filter, used ONLY motorcraft fuel and oil filters, Motorcraft 15w-40, but I could not afford the full EGR delete and ARP stud job, which is nearly a necessity. I treated her right and only pulled a handful of times with it.

I can hear the sound of a 6.0L a mile away. That old familiar clatter. Sounds much different than the 7.3L PSD and the 5.9 cummins. When I hear it, I automatically think back to that HUNK OF GARBAGE i owned, and I feel sorry for the poor soul who owns it.

I don't care if you make it "bulletproof" by doing a full EGR delete, ARP aftermarket high tensile strength head studs, coolant filter, etc, it is still a piece of garbage. And NO TRUCK should have to have 3-4 THOUSAND dollars worth of work done to it to make it a decent reliable truck.

However, I do miss (barely) the extra power of the 6.0L, and the turbo whistle.

My best advice is to get rid of it! Or if you can't, go ahead and drop the necessary funds on a FULL EGR delete and the ARP studs.

BTW, Motorcraft 15w-40 should be fine for the summer, and Rotella T6 for the winter.
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#2280282 - 06/06/11 12:19 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
wtd Offline


Registered: 06/25/02
Posts: 1156
Loc: southwest Mo.
My finacee has a 2003 Ford Super Duty with the 6.0 diesel and she has used 10W-30 Motorcraft diesel oil since it was new. Truck now has about 75,000 miles on it and no problems.

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#2281411 - 06/07/11 08:33 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
rslifkin Offline


Registered: 06/27/10
Posts: 2192
Loc: Stamford, CT / Rochester, NY
The 6.0 wasn't a bad engine, although it did have some growing pains. Sounds like you got very unlucky and had every possible problem a 6.0 can have.
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#2281565 - 06/07/11 11:21 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
roadrunner1 Offline


Registered: 04/08/09
Posts: 784
Loc: oh
Thats the ironic tale of the 6.0, you hear horror stories like above and assume they were all bad. I'm on my second one, both trouble-free, with my current ('07) at 131,xxx trouble-free miles. The '04 was trouble-free also, I think it was at 100,000 mi. when I traded it in on my '07.

Since 90,000 mi. I have been using 10w-30 dino exclusively year around with very good UOA's at 7,500 mi OCI's. Synthetic oil is not required in this engine as many will claim, I'm sure it doesn't hurt anything either, other than your wallet.
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#2282115 - 06/08/11 12:04 AM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: bullwinkle]
Black6spdZ Offline


Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 14
Loc: MS
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I don't know about newer, lower-mileage 6.0s-but at 232K my '04 doesn't like to start cold in general, and there is a BIG difference below 20F (unplugged) starting between 10W30 dino and 5W40 synthetic. In my case, probably the only thing I drive regularly that HAS to have synthetic. On the one occasion that the Ford dealer changed the oil (when it didn't need it & I had told them not to do it) & left it outside overnight in winter w/15W40 dino-it chugged like a Briggs & Stratton and filled the parking lot with gray unburned fuel smoke!


Have you tested the voltage on your FICM lately? I fixed a neighbors 6.0 PSD last winter that would NOT start without it being plugged in all night and then it would hardly start then. Did the HOT FICM mod and switched to T6 and it starts very fast just like a new truck again.

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#2284693 - 06/10/11 02:37 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: renegade_987]
FiremarshalRob Offline


Registered: 03/25/08
Posts: 553
Loc: Baton Rouge, LA
Ahhh, yes, the Fuel Injector control module. Just another piece of junk that goes out on the 6 Leaker.
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#2284695 - 06/10/11 02:37 PM Re: Oil for 6.0L Powerstroke? [Re: roadrunner1]
FiremarshalRob Offline


Registered: 03/25/08
Posts: 553
Loc: Baton Rouge, LA
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
Thats the ironic tale of the 6.0, you hear horror stories like above and assume they were all bad. I'm on my second one, both trouble-free, with my current ('07) at 131,xxx trouble-free miles. The '04 was trouble-free also, I think it was at 100,000 mi. when I traded it in on my '07.

Since 90,000 mi. I have been using 10w-30 dino exclusively year around with very good UOA's at 7,500 mi OCI's. Synthetic oil is not required in this engine as many will claim, I'm sure it doesn't hurt anything either, other than your wallet.

Probably wouldn't take one if it was GIVEN to me.
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