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#2207670 - 03/21/11 08:00 PM 0-20 and MPG Increase
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9492
Loc: Illinois
I will be going to Gainesvile Fl. this Wednesday. I make this trip a lot as family lives there so I have a very good idea of the mileage I get. I drive consistantly at 2500 RPM with the Fusion which is 72 MPH. I always set the MPG indicator when I enter the interstate by my home and check it when I exit I 75 in Gainesville. My mileage for several trips runs between 32 and 33 MPG which has been with 5-30 and most recently 5-20. This is the first trip with 0-20 so if there is any increase much at all I will notice it. I plan to be back in a week so I will report my MPG reading then.


Edited by tig1 (03/21/11 08:01 PM)
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2007 Ford Fusion 133,000 miles
M1 0-20
2007 Ford Focus 122,000 miles
M1 0-20
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF
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#2207691 - 03/21/11 08:11 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12772
Loc: UT
Use pen and paper (gallons used vs miles traveled), check the ODO for accuracy and post both values.

I've never had a vehicle that was within a MPG or two of the actual MPG on the "readout".

Can't argue with the actual data.

Be SAFE on the trip! thumbsup

Bill

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#2207692 - 03/21/11 08:11 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
chubbs1 Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 4574
Loc: Merritt Island FL, USA
Sounds good! I think M1 AFE is awesome but I saw a minimal increase in MPG's when using the 0w30. Still ran great in the car and turned out a beautiful UOA. Still be interesting to hear what you get.
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#2207707 - 03/21/11 08:21 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: Bill in Utah]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9492
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Use pen and paper (gallons used vs miles traveled), check the ODO for accuracy and post both values.

I've never had a vehicle that was within a MPG or two of the actual MPG on the "readout".

Can't argue with the actual data.

Be SAFE on the trip! thumbsup

Bill


You are right about the on board MPG indicater. I usually get .9 to 1.0 MPG less when I figure it by hand. It has been very consistent that way over many tanks of fuel both hwy and local driving. I use the on board numbers as a guide line, but again it is consistantly 1 MPG higher. I make this trip every year at this time so the fuel should be the same formulation year to year.
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M1 0-20
2007 Ford Focus 122,000 miles
M1 0-20
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#2207728 - 03/21/11 08:39 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: Bill in Utah]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 3277
Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Use pen and paper (gallons used vs miles traveled), check the ODO for accuracy and post both values.

I've never had a vehicle that was within a MPG or two of the actual MPG on the "readout".

Can't argue with the actual data.

Be SAFE on the trip! thumbsup

Bill


Due to lack of precision, a one-time calculation involving a value from a gas pump isn't very precise. Most onboard readouts are more accurate, especially if the reading is calculated with very few starts such as the OP is describing.

If you are resetting for a long trip, the readout is the way to go and much more consistent, precise and accurate. If you are making a relative comparison, it is the only way to go. Pencil, paper and odometer make for more accurate long term calculations. Gas pump calcs are useless if not at the same pump and even then can be off by as much as 5%.
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#2207737 - 03/21/11 08:45 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9492
Loc: Illinois
I think it is more accurate to hand figure the MPG over 5-7 tank fulls not just one. However when I go the Gainesville I only require 2 tanks of gas.
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2007 Ford Fusion 133,000 miles
M1 0-20
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M1 0-20
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
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#2207743 - 03/21/11 08:52 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12772
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: badtlc

Due to lack of precision, a one-time calculation involving a value from a gas pump isn't very precise. Most onboard readouts are more accurate, especially if the reading is calculated with very few starts such as the OP is describing.

If you are resetting for a long trip, the readout is the way to go and much more consistent, precise and accurate. If you are making a relative comparison, it is the only way to go. Pencil, paper and odometer make for more accurate long term calculations. Gas pump calcs are useless if not at the same pump and even then can be off by as much as 5%.


Well he is going a couple of thousand miles (I don't drive it but according to Google maps its around 1000 miles each way) so it would be a few gas tanks (like 5 if he goes 400 miles per tank) but then the following is posted;

Originally Posted By: tig1
I think it is more accurate to hand figure the MPG over 5-7 tank fulls not just one. However when I go the Gainesville I only require 2 tanks of gas.


HUH? Is it not around 2,000 miles RT? How big is a tank in a Fusion?

I still stick with my comment on pen and paper. This data is over more than a single tank so if the pump clicks off a gallon or two early at the end its not going to fudge the numbers much.

Take care, Bill

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#2207748 - 03/21/11 08:59 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9492
Loc: Illinois
Bill, it's 905 miles from my house to my sons. The round trip will usually be 2200+ miles counting the run a round driving we do. Usually a trip over to Cedar Key or St Augustine. I use two tanks each way on the drive itself.


Edited by tig1 (03/21/11 09:00 PM)
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2007 Ford Fusion 133,000 miles
M1 0-20
2007 Ford Focus 122,000 miles
M1 0-20
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF
M1 10-30 in all OPE

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#2207755 - 03/21/11 09:07 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12772
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: tig1
Bill, it's 905 miles from my house to my sons. The round trip will usually be 2200+ miles counting the run a round driving we do. Usually a trip over to Cedar Key or St Augustine. I use two tanks each way on the drive itself.


That's enough to cover the slight difference between pumps.

Enjoy! Bill

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#2207901 - 03/22/11 12:17 AM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
mechtech2 Offline


Registered: 09/05/06
Posts: 19479
Loc: Chicago Area
Even if the onboard/dash data is off, it should be relatively off.
This can make is useful, if not totally valid.

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#2208032 - 03/22/11 08:26 AM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 4996
Loc: Ontario, Canada
If you can use your cruise control it would be a bit more consistent than trying keep a specific speed manually.
I think realistically almost any difference in wind speed or direction or a difference in ambient temperature is going to hide the difference the lighter oil is making but you might have very similar conditions and it would be interesting to see what the results are.
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#2208111 - 03/22/11 10:09 AM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: IndyIan]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9492
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
If you can use your cruise control it would be a bit more consistent than trying keep a specific speed manually.
I think realistically almost any difference in wind speed or direction or a difference in ambient temperature is going to hide the difference the lighter oil is making but you might have very similar conditions and it would be interesting to see what the results are.


I use cruise control every chance I get. My ankle gets to hurting without cruse. Since I have made this trip so many times, any variance in MPG will be known. Anything over 33 will be a plus for the 0-20.
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2007 Ford Fusion 133,000 miles
M1 0-20
2007 Ford Focus 122,000 miles
M1 0-20
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF
M1 10-30 in all OPE

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#2208126 - 03/22/11 10:41 AM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
kelpie Offline


Registered: 07/18/07
Posts: 289
Loc: VA
That's good MPG for over 70 MPH. I doubt you see any difference either just using thinner oil. But still it will be interesting to find out.

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#2208428 - 03/22/11 03:12 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
stranger706 Offline


Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 812
Loc: Gulf Coast
You're getting better mileage in your Fusion than I do in my Mazda 3 with the same engine. And the 3 is a smaller car. frown

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#2217202 - 03/30/11 06:52 PM Re: 0-20 and MPG Increase [Re: tig1]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9492
Loc: Illinois
We got back home this evening and it seems that the 0-20 got about .75 to 1.0 MPG better than I have have ever had before on this trip. Going to Florida I got 33.6 on the mileage minder which I have never had that high before. We used the AC about 1/3 of the way down. Coming home was less,31.6, but we came back a differant way and stopped in Columbus, Ga. to visit friends. We traveled through eastern Alabama today to Birmingham on 280 which goes through several towns and many red lights. Also the the All in all I diffently see a little MPG increase with the 0-20AFE.
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2007 Ford Fusion 133,000 miles
M1 0-20
2007 Ford Focus 122,000 miles
M1 0-20
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF
M1 10-30 in all OPE

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