Pure One 14610 / Classic 14459 Cut Open Pics.

[Sayjac]

PL14610(R) has 7k/9 months, L14459(L) 5k/5 months.
14610 has 51 pleats, not including metal seam pleat. 14459 has 60 pleats excluding seam. Both filters have 3/8" deep pleats.
The PL14610 is 2&3/8" wide, the L14459 is 1&7/8" wide.
Total media area PL14610 ~90.84",* L14459 ~84.4".
Both filters looked good, I believe the slight wave was in production of the 14459, not use. Noticed some pics appear to have one side higher than other, optical illusion/camera angle, they are even/level. *Media area on the 14610 differs from another poster's previous figure, but I believe this is correct, feel free to check my math. P1 media appeared thicker. Satisfied with both, and in many applications these two filter sizes can be used interchangeably.

 

[hisilver]

thank you.

 

[chubbs1]

Thanks for the post, I always liked the skinny one better.

 

[mongo161]

Thanks for your post.

 

[ltslimjim]

I'll be using a PureONE 14459 during my next OCI, as a cleanup.

 

[kcfx4]

excellent pics/post

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
PL14610(R) has 7k/9 months, L14459(L) 5k/5 months.
14610 has 51 pleats, not including metal seam pleat. 14459 has 60 pleats excluding seam. Both filters have 3/8" deep pleats.
The PL14610 is 2&3/8" wide, the L14459 is 1&7/8" wide.
Total media area PL14610 ~90.84",* L14459 ~84.4".

*Media area on the 14610 differs from another poster's previous figure, but I believe this is correct, feel free to check my math.


You might recount the number of pleats in the PL14610. See the 2nd post in the link below. Maybe they have reduced the number of pleats in the 14610 now (??).

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2069279&page=5

Filters look good.

 

[Sayjac]

Counted them twice, but you can count them for yourself. Take my bottom media sample in the last pic and use your arrow. 51 not including seam. Figures to ~38.25" vs ~45" for the 14459.

Not sure how other poster arrived at the media area, but the PL14610 filter media looks exactly the same as I've used before.

The P1 media thicker feeling, and I had difficulty getting the metal seam pleat out of the endcaps. The media was thoroughly glued in both filters, but easier to cut out of the Classic.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Counted them twice, but you can count them for yourself. Take my bottom media sample in the last pic and use your arrow. 51 not including seam. Figures to 38.25" vs 45" for the 14459.

Not sure how other poster arrived at the media area, but the media PL14610 looks exactly the same as I've used before.

Not sure either, but the text from the link I had above says:
"I measured the media earlier today. It was about 2 5/16 inches wide by 45 1/2 inches long. That calculates to an area of about 105 square inches."

If you use a 3/8" pleat depth, then in order to get 45.5" long media total there would have to be:

(45.5)/(2 x 0.375) = 60.7 pleats.

Mystery ...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Counted them twice, but you can count them for yourself. Take my bottom media sample in the last pic and use your arrow. 51 not including seam. Figures to ~38.25" vs ~45" for the 14459.


I got 51 too for the 14610 ... the media that is wider in the photo with them laid out. I'm thinking Purolator has cut down on the media area on the 14610.

 

[Sayjac]

I don't think so. I double checked my measurments length and width. For the 14610 to be ~45" long it would have had to close to the length of the 14459, as you can see in my pics, it's not.

The posted 105sq" is what I've quoted before. But, I'll have to go with this.

I've used/cut open enough of the PL14610's and variants to know. There's no more room in the can for more pleats, and still same size filter core and can.

Perhaps the other poster was able to stretch the media to the longer length, idk, but this is what the PL 14610 has been. Quite certain.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
For the 14610 to be ~45" long it would have had to close to the length of the 14459, as you can see in my pics, it's not.

The posted 105sq" is what I've quoted before. But, I'll have to go with this.


I agree ... just seems odd there's that much difference between the two inputs (90 vs 105 sq-in). It will be awhile until I can cut open a 14610 ... but maybe if someone else does in the near future we can get more data points.

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Perhaps the other poster was able to stretch the media to the longer length idk, but this is what the PL 14610 has been.


I doubt it could be stretched that far.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac

The posted 105sq" is what I've quoted before. But, I'll have to go with this.


So now it looks like the 14610 and 14459 have basically the same media area. I'm still a little leery that the 14610 might have had a possible media area reduction recently.

 

[Sayjac]

I don't need any more "data points' to know that this is correct and the way it has been.

There's no room for 14.7 pleats in the can. .7 pleats?

The pics don't lie. No reduction in media here.

But yes, now with an accurate measure to compare, the media areas are similar with the 14610 still edging the 14459.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
I don't need any more "data points' to know that this is correct and the way it has been.

There's no room for 14.7 pleats in the can. .7 pleats?

The pics don't lie. No reduction in media here.


There's no argument that what you see there is what you see there - I'm not saying that what you are showing in this thread is not accurate for the filter you actually cut open.

Like I said, it would be nice to find some more actual measurements on some past, older 14610s just to be sure it hasn't changed.

 

[Sayjac]

There's no argument, you're just implying that another measure, with no pics or pleat count is correct, thus this thread shows the media area down in the PL14610. 'If' it is correct, how would 14.7 more pleats fit in the PL14610 can? It's packed so full of media now there's little room between pleats. I'm sure it hasn't changed since I've been cutting them (new gold P1's) open..a while.

Here's a cut open pic from this thread last year of a PL14610. It's the same, and hasn't changed. So, when you find proof that PL14610 media area is down/was greater feel free to post a thread proving it. No need for me to try anymore to prove a negative. I'm satisfied it hasn't changed since I've been cutting them open, a while.

But, it is true that the media area between the two filters is similar with the PL14610 having slightly more.

 

[ZeeOSix]

For some reason you have this idea I'm trying to "prove you wrong" ... but that is not the intention of this discussion my friend. Just trying to determine WHY there is supposedly a mis-match in previously measured media area at this time - that's all.

BTW - a little history. I used a Motorcraft FL-822 once, which after being cut open was basically identical (same dia and length can) to the 14610. FL-822 was obviously made by Purolator once I inspected it. I measured the media length to be 45 inches. So it is possible to get ~45 inches of media length into that sized can. It would have to mean more pleats than 51 and/or deeper pleats (than 3/8") to make up the difference.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Perhaps the other poster was able to stretch the media to the longer length idk, but this is what the PL 14610 has been.

I doubt it could be stretched that far.
You doubted my pleat count, 51, check.

Doubted my suggestion the media could be stretched to 45" (barlowc), so thought I'd find out for myself. The PL14610 media can be stretched fairly easily (no tearing) to ~45", check. Very certain that how barlow's measure was arrived at. The media has a good amount of elasticity to it. I had a feeling saving the guts would be a good idea.

Will post pics tomorrow, not a one man job. So 90.84"sq using pleat depth, or ~105"sq using stretched media length measure, take your pick. But either way, no reduction in media area. Whatever measure you use, still a good filter for the money.

Irrelavent now, but when I said hypothetical 14.7 extra pleats, should have said 9.7. Was thinking of the 45" length of 14459.

 

[kender]

LOL!!! C'mon now kids. Can't you 2 Purolator Fanboys get along?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Perhaps the other poster was able to stretch the media to the longer length idk, but this is what the PL 14610 has been.

I doubt it could be stretched that far.
You doubted my pleat count, 51, check.


Ummm ... I told you I ALSO counted 51 after I realized you had photos of the laid out media. Like I said, I'm NOT disputing what YOU have seen with your own eyes.

Check out this thread: He says - "The L14610 I cut open had 102.7 sq.in. of media, meaning the can was stuffed quite full."

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1836199#Post1836199

As you can see ... there seems to be a difference from older measurements made on the 14610.

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Doubted my suggestion the media could be stretched to 45" (barlowc), so thought I'd find out for myself. The PL14610 media can be stretched fairly easily to ~45", check. Very certain that how barlows' measure was arrived at. The media has a good amount of elasticity to it.


Hard for me to believe you could stretch the media 7 inches more once it's all the way flattened out. But if you did it then I believe you.

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Counted them twice, but you can count them for yourself. Take my bottom media sample in the last pic and use your arrow. 51 not including seam. Figures to ~38.25" vs ~45" for the 14459.