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#2187831 - 03/03/11 03:25 PM 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM
kcrw02 Offline


Registered: 03/03/11
Posts: 7
Loc: Des Moines, IA
2011 Honda Pilot v6
Factory fill
6242 miles and 8 months
Oil life monitor at 10%

approx 80% of miles were 10mi commute each way. Remaining 20% is highway long trips.

I refilled with Mobile 1 and a PureOne filter.

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Comments: We're glad that you dumped this factory oil in your 3.5L, because it always has a bunch of junk in it
from the wear-in process that can get abrasive if left in place to long. Metals are a little higher than we
typically see in wear-in samples, so that might be the case here. Things should clear up after 2 or 3 more oil
changes. Universal averages show typical wear levels for this type of engine after about 6,000 miles on the 
oil. The viscosity was in the 5W/20 range and the 1.8% fuel dilution isn't a big concern. Try just 5,000 miles
on the next oil to wash that stuff out.

mi on oil               6242
mi on unit              6242
sample date        1/28/2011
make up oil added     1 qt

ALUMINUM                34
CHROMIUM                5
IRON                    85
COPPER                  203
LEAD                    6
TIN                     0
MOLYBDENUM              272
NICKEL                  1
MANGANESE               12
SILVER                  0
TITANIUM                0
POTASSIUM               4
BORON                   78
SILICON                 70
SODIUM                  53
CALCIUM                 1515
MAGNESIUM               136
PHOSPHORUS              592
ZINC                    733
BARIUM                  3

SUS Viscosity @ 210F   45.7
cSt Viscosity @ 100C   5.95
Flashpoint in F        330
Fuel %                  1.8
Antifreeze %            0.0
Water %                 0.0
Insolubles %            0.4

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#2187838 - 03/03/11 03:32 PM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2057
Loc: Chicago IL
Honda is credited with using a very specific break-in oil. Lot of moly in that report. What mileage did they say to change it?
I think you have a good reference point to watch the wear meatals trend down and the shearing stabilize.

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Edited by ChiTDI (03/03/11 03:32 PM)
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#2187847 - 03/03/11 03:45 PM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
river_rat Offline


Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 3402
Loc: Iowa
Shows less moly than Valvoline Maxlife. Try Toyota OEM or Redline if you want more than that.
Considering this was break-in, it looks pretty good.
Thanks for posting!

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#2187850 - 03/03/11 03:51 PM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
callbay Offline


Registered: 05/29/05
Posts: 610
Loc: Ozark Mountains
So glad to have an oil test and they said there was "a bunch of junk in it". I still believe in changing the factory fill at 1,000 mikes or so . I know a lot of BITOG's say no need to anymore but I stil belive it is best.

Not the best comparison but I bought a new pressure washer with a Chinese engine on it. After running a half house os so there were visable particles of metal in the oil. No it did not have a filter but still seems beter not to take a chance and leave any particles in an engine for 10,000 miles like some of the manufactures say now. It's to be "green" not to help your engine.

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#2187885 - 03/03/11 04:34 PM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: callbay]
pbm Offline


Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 5114
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: callbay
So glad to have an oil test and they said there was "a bunch of junk in it". I still believe in changing the factory fill at 1,000 mikes or so . I know a lot of BITOG's say no need to anymore but I stil belive it is best.

Not the best comparison but I bought a new pressure washer with a Chinese engine on it. After running a half house os so there were visable particles of metal in the oil. No it did not have a filter but still seems beter not to take a chance and leave any particles in an engine for 10,000 miles like some of the manufactures say now. It's to be "green" not to help your engine.



I agree that changing the FF early is a good idea but I don't think it's necessary to change it at 1K anymore.
I plan on changing the FF at 2.5 or 3K in my new Chevy...then again about 4K later and then every 6 or 7K (or as the OLM dictates). I think that modern machining processes have enabled manufacturers to call for longer initial OCIs but I'm not willing to go all the way. I feel my plan sort of splits the difference.

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#2188100 - 03/03/11 07:56 PM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
moto94536 Offline


Registered: 06/21/10
Posts: 749
Loc: reno nv
thanks for the report. I have to add 3/4 qt on my 2010 pilot too. 8462 Mi - 15 % OLM.

I think base on your report, you need to change oil every 3,000-4,000 miles. since you dive locals, and short trips.

can you tell us how is the engine sound at the idle with the mobil 1? thank you.
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#2188211 - 03/03/11 09:50 PM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
steve20 Offline


Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 3065
Loc: NJ
sure looks like a GM V8 break in doesn't it ?


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#2188306 - 03/04/11 12:32 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
Artem Offline


Registered: 10/30/10
Posts: 4331
Loc: Florida
Seems like there are too many metal shavings floating around in the oil. This engine shouldn't be producing this much metal if thanks to today's technology, the machining process is "sooo" good.

I also support the change it a bit early recommendation. The first few OCIs, just like Blackstone suggested to clean the metal fragments out.
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#2188307 - 03/04/11 12:35 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
Artem Offline


Registered: 10/30/10
Posts: 4331
Loc: Florida
I also want to add that i'm kind of disappointed in the 2011 Honda 3.5L in question. Seems like after only 6k the oil is full of [censored]. Could the filter be completely clogged up and in bypass mode?

I would think as a filter ages, it gets slightly better at filtering.

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#2188317 - 03/04/11 01:06 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
Brons2 Offline


Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 2484
Loc: Austin, Texas
Well, at least the lead (bearing) wear is not too much. Otherwise, this is a horrible report. 5.95 vis, 85 iron, 203 copper? ughhhh. That oil has sheared to 5w10. I'd change at 50% on the OLM until wear stabilizes. If it were me, anyway. Others may disagree.
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#2188341 - 03/04/11 04:33 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
stubbakatt Offline


Registered: 04/14/08
Posts: 284
Loc: KSQ, PA
Come on, guys. This was factory fill at over 6000 miles...of course it's going to have iron and copper.

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#2188354 - 03/04/11 05:33 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 20701
Loc: NY
I agree with those who change their oil early in new vehicles. Granted Honda uses oil with a high moly content for break in, the moly content of that oil isn't overly impressive. If I ever bought a new Honda I'd dump the FF oil early [around 1000 miles] and refill with a high quality dino like PYB. I'd add Lubro Moly or Bio Tech Engine Protectant to boost the moly up. Then probably switch over to a good synthetic oil at around 4000-5000 miles. JMO
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#2188362 - 03/04/11 05:56 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
WishIhadatruck Offline


Registered: 05/09/06
Posts: 1249
Loc: Grand Rapids, MI
High wear numbers are expected on that long of a run of the FF but it sure seems like the oil has gotten awfully thin. The flash point seems kind of low so the oil likely has a bit of fuel in it. I'd try a few shorter OCI's like others have said. Just the fuel dilution would make me want to change it more often. You'll know more if you test again. The numbers seem very high but hopefully it drops down to a normal range in the future.
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#2188417 - 03/04/11 07:32 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
Jim Allen Offline


Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 4477
Loc: NW Ohio
It's not a bad UOA under the circumstances. We don't get to see many FF UOAs and they are interesting. Honda specifically recommends not dumping the oil early so now we see the results. Thanks for posting. And welcome.

To be honest, while this was an interesting experiment from an oil nerd POV, you may have wasted your money on this UOA. It really didn't tell you anything useful. The first coupla UOAs are always nasty and you can't really use them for trending, for determining OCI (or as a bovine-scatology detector for the OLM) or learn much about engine condition. My suggestion is to run run two more OCIs according to the OLM (presumably around 6K) on the same brand and viscosity oil. On the second, send the oil in for a test with a virgin sample of the oil you used. Pay the extra money for the TBN report on both. You then can compare the used oil to the virgin and get an apples to apples comparison. You'll know the actual starting TBN but, more importantly, it will be "calibrated" to the lab (which looks like Blackstone to me) and their equipment. It's tough to compare readings from different labs with any accuracy because they will all be somewhat different according to the lab standards and equipment and often radically different than what the oil company will present.

Anyway, a sample done that way will tell you a lot about the oil and the OCI. If it's good, they you don't need to UOA except periodically or if you change something in the parameters, like a new oil or something. Don't UOA immediately after the switch to a new oil because the UOA will be skewed by the old oil that remains in the engine. You can sample on the second UOA with better results.

IMO, it's pretty hard to tell anything much on engine condition with a UOA unless you are real lucky. A problem occurs pretty rapidly, usually between the normal mileage of a UOA, so even if you UOA religiously every OCI, you got less than even odds of catching a problem... and you've spent a lot of money along the way for little benefit. Intrinsically, it's something different. I find it fascinating.... even though I have settled back to just occasional UOAs now. Every few years or if I change the equation somehow.

As to the fuel, I would ask about how the sample was taken? Was the engine properly warmed up? A cold start followed by a few minutes of idling would leave you with a reading like that. On the other hand, if you took the sample after arriving home from your typical commute, then you have a snapshot of the way your oil runs normally.

When we bought our '00 3.0L V6 Honda Accord, I dumped it at 1K. I honestly don't know if Honda was using a break-in oil then, but they were still recommending 5W30 and API SL. I didn't start with UOA until '04 and every one has been stellar at 5-8K intervals, ranging from 6 months to 18 month timeframes. My driving cycle is much better than yours, however. Almost all freeway/rural miles.


Edited by Jim Allen (03/04/11 07:34 AM)
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#2188429 - 03/04/11 07:58 AM Re: 2011 Honda Pilot - Factory Fill - 6242mi - 10% OLM [Re: kcrw02]
badtlc Online   content


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 3531
Loc: KC
Looks good. Definitely nothing wrong with this report.
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