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#2133186 - 01/09/11 03:25 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Wilhelm_D Offline


Registered: 01/28/09
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Loc: Tacoma, WA
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
I have a new 2010 Hyundai Elantra that I want to do a ATF change on at 10K miles . Is the Hyundai SP3 ATF still the only safe option in 2010 ?


By safe I assume you mean "won't void the warranty".

The Mitsubishi/Hyundia/Kia SPIII looks on an elemental analysis pretty much like Mercon V.

I have used Mobil 1 synthetic, Red Line D4, and Red Line C+ to replace SPIII in Hyundais with no performance problems.

Whether Hyundai can detect any of the three and would void a warranty on a non-lubrication problem I do not know.




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#2150289 - 01/25/11 07:26 AM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: Wilhelm_D]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
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Loc: GA.
I found SPIII at Kia for less than $7.00 per quart which is fairly competitive as far as ATF goes . The Mobil 1 synthetic ATF looks to be of high quality and meet the most specifications - How ever some believe that the additives in non - SPIII (like Mobil 1) may be too aggressive and "eat the veins" away inside of the Hyundai automatic transmission . I'm still not settled on the issue - but at less than $7.00 per quart for SPIII I will just do a partial drain myself every 15K to 20K miles to be safe and call it a day . I would love to run Mobil 1 as it appears to be a superior ATF product - however my inability to get a straight answer just doesn't make it worth the risk .

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#2150552 - 01/25/11 01:35 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
unDummy Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
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There is nothing in an ATF that will eat the veins from any transmission. Lets stop with the bogus fear hearsay.

Your pathetically performing $7 SPIII is robbery when you could use $4 ATF+4, or $5 Amalie, or use Amsoil/Redline for a couple bucks more for superior protection.

If you're stuck on SPIII, my recommendation is to install an ATF cooler so that your transmission doesn't cook itself to death. And, an inline filter will help some too.

When I worked in the trans shop, I would say that 9 out of 10 Kia/Hyundai/Mitsubishi's transmissions failed while using SPIII. So, I'd say that SPIII will guarantee you a failure soon after the warranty expires. Hows that for fear mongering?
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#2150752 - 01/25/11 05:25 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: unDummy]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
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I failed to find where ATF + 4 is compatible with SPIII - a little help please .

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#2150779 - 01/25/11 05:52 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
stubbakatt Offline


Registered: 04/14/08
Posts: 284
Loc: KSQ, PA
I've been using Maxlife ATF in my Hyundai. At $3.70 per quart, it's a steal at wally world.

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#2151153 - 01/25/11 10:37 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
The_Eric Offline


Registered: 03/31/10
Posts: 3152
Loc: Iowa
I found this in a PDF. If you want the actual copy, then you can PM me and I'll email to you..





THOMAS R. SMITH
Technical Director, Valvoline Brand
June 7, 2004
To Whom It May Concern:
Valvoline has received several inquiries regarding the topic of MERCON&#63720; V ATF and its use in various
vehicles beyond those requiring DEXRON&#63720;-III, MERCON&#63720;, or MERCON&#63720; V approved products. In
response to these questions Valvoline has issued the following statements:
Valvoline supports the use of MERCON V ATF in a broad range of transmissions beyond those
requiring DEXRON-III, MERCON, and MERCON V fluids including those where the following fluids
are recommended:
o GM DEXRON II
o Allison C-4
o Chrysler ATF+3 or ATF+4 fluids
o Toyota (and Lexus) Type T, T-III or T-IV fluids
o Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II or SP-III fluids
o Hyundai
o Honda ATF-Z1 fluid (except in CVTs)
o BMW LT71141 or LA2634 fluids
o Nissan Matic-D, Matic-J, or Matic-K fluids
MaxLife ATF is recommended for the new 5 and 6 speed transmissions, except the Ford 5R110, Ford
6RXX, and the Mercedes Benz W7A700 (7G-TRONIC) which all require a low viscosity Automatic
Transmission Fluid.
Valvoline has conducted in-house testing to support MERCON V ATF performance in these
transmissions. However, it is important to note that these vehicle manufacturers have neither evaluated
nor approved MERCON V ATF.
Valvoline stands behind all of its products, including MERCON V ATF. Use of MERCON V ATF in
transmissions where recommended by Valvoline WILL NOT void the vehicles warranty. In the
unlikely event that any transmission was to be damaged as a result of the use of MERCON V ATF,
please contact Valvoline at 1-800-Team-VAL.
Valvoline does not recommend MaxLife ATF for use in continuously variable transmissions (CVTs) or in
automatic transmissions where Ford Type F is recommended.
Sincerely,
Thom Smith
Technical Director
Valvoline Brand
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#2151339 - 01/26/11 08:00 AM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: The_Eric]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1048
Loc: GA.
Looks like Valvoline Mercon V would be a cost effective option in place of SP-III . However if you read closely you see that Valvoline does not recommend Maxlife ATF for CVT transmissions - My 2010 Hyundai Elantra has a CVT transmission .

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#2151352 - 01/26/11 08:07 AM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: unDummy]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1048
Loc: GA.
unDummy - I've never seen Amalie before how ever their Universal Synthetic ATF looks promising ! Looks like it would do everything Mobil 1 promises to do ... never seen it in stores though - is it mail order only ?

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#2151584 - 01/26/11 12:41 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Ursae_Majoris Offline


Registered: 03/28/09
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Loc: South
I have never heard of Elantra coming with a CVT. GLS and SE come with 4-speed auto as standard, entry Blue model comes with a 5 speed stick. CVT is not even an option an any of the trims.
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Hyundai-Elantra-2010/available-trims/
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#2151592 - 01/26/11 12:47 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
unDummy Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 8756
Loc: RI
Usually its on sale at the amalie store, which includes some wolfshead and xcel products. The three brands are the same and products are similar. I think the wolfshead ATF is on sale there or free shipping. Its a great ATF for those who practice PM.

I wouldn't use Mercon-V in place of SPIII.

You can't go wrong with Valvoline Maxlife, along with Castrol Import and HighMileage ATFs. I use ATF+4 because it is usually a full groupIII ATF and enough HFM for smooth transmission shifting after adaptation. Always do a battery disconnect to clear out any volatile learned parameters at EVERY ATF service.

Castrol Import
Castrol HighMileage
Maxlife
wolfshead
amalie
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#2152202 - 01/26/11 10:24 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
kgb007stb Offline


Registered: 05/04/05
Posts: 438
Loc: LA
Undummy good points on the sp3, I did some research and even in your past threads you dont seem to like the sp3 specification.

If the likes of amsoil/redline/mobil1/Castrol would outperform the sp3 specification, why do we so many posts in these Hyundai forums where people say I used an equivalent sp3 fluid and my transmission started slipping, or started shifting incorrectly. I am just baffeled if this is the average joe who used the incorrect aftermarket atf.

Now that I have a Hyundai I was doing some research on this topic and it looks like the Hyundai/kia world is divided on the answers to what these transmissions like best.

So like you have said most of your transmission failures were from sp3 oils and not from the better oils known on this forum? The uoas also dont look promising on the sp3 side and do confirm your opinions.

In my case, I already bought the Hyundai specific atf and plan to do a drain and refill every 10K as you have suggested as this gets only about the oil out of the trammy. After using up my Hyundai sp3 fluid should I be shifting to the redlines/amsoils/mobils/castrols that say they meet the sp3 specifications?

I am just looking for some answers from someone who has been in the transmission industry.

Any opinions on lubegard red in use with sp3 fluids or any of the better fluids?

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#2152211 - 01/26/11 10:35 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: ChrisD46]
unDummy Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 8756
Loc: RI
For ANY and ALL OE ATFs, I highly recommend adding a bottle of Lubegard Red or Platinum.

Most of the synthetics, like Amsoil, Redline, Royalpurple, Wynns, BG... are options, if available in your area, and if the cost isn't too excessive to you.

I know that SPIV has not been officially recommended as a fluid backwards compatible with SPIII. This SPIV might be an option if you want to use your transmission as a guinea pig. So far, all the info I've seen hints that SPIV is just a lighter visc higher group base SPIII. Where GM steps up and back specs Dexron6 to DexronIII units, Ford, Toyota, Hyundai ALL chicken out.
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#2152213 - 01/26/11 10:36 PM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: kgb007stb]
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#2152302 - 01/27/11 04:53 AM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: Ursae_Majoris]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1048
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My information came directly from the Hyundai site .

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#2152304 - 01/27/11 04:55 AM Re: Is Hyundai SP3 Still Only Safe Option ? [Re: unDummy]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1048
Loc: GA.
unDummy - Curious what you think of the Mobil 1 Full Synthetic ? It claims to cover SP-III .

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