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#2018643 - 09/16/10 10:34 AM Bosch Distance Plus cut open
Finklejag Offline


Registered: 11/23/03
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
I know this filter has been cut open in the past. I ran across this site on Google. I though I would post it up here. Are these filters still $13.00 at Pep Boys? If so, is this filter $4.00 bettter then the Fram Extended Guard?

Bosch Distance Plus
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#2018654 - 09/16/10 10:49 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
AuthorEditor Offline


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 1405
Loc: New York
At a casual glance it looks identical to a Pure One, except for the color of the canister. Maybe the media is different?

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#2018676 - 09/16/10 11:11 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: AuthorEditor]
tinmanSC Offline


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ouch, 13 dollars? It's a nice big filter. Quality looks very good, no complaints.
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#2018677 - 09/16/10 11:12 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: AuthorEditor]
ARCOgraphite Offline


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Bosch = Purolator
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#2018689 - 09/16/10 11:34 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ARCOgraphite]
dparm Offline


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I would have no hesitation running that filter out to 7500 or 10000.
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#2019163 - 09/16/10 08:27 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
trabuccomlfrd Offline


Registered: 09/13/10
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Loc: Southern New Hampshire
looks pretty much identical to the regular bosch premium, for half the price i would go with the premium next time
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#2019245 - 09/16/10 09:50 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
crazyoildude Offline


Registered: 07/23/08
Posts: 5189
Loc: new jersey
I pay under $2.00 for my group 7 filters at my shop they are purolators good filters...
$13.00 for a filter? NOPE!

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#2019264 - 09/16/10 10:11 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: crazyoildude]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
I pay under $2.00 for my group 7 filters at my shop they are purolators good filters...
$13.00 for a filter? NOPE!


Well, you wouldn't use a filter like that for anything under long months with very high mileage. I'd say that getting a year out of it wouldn't be too hard at all, assuming you're not putt-putting it along. Note that they expound ..hammer ..the holding capacity.
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#2019280 - 09/16/10 10:37 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Nice box.
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#2019348 - 09/17/10 12:12 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
JGmazda Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 424
Loc: Southwest
Thanks for posting this. I appreciate the effort and time. Nice pics too. Looks like a great filter. It's just pricey! $8-9 they'd probably sell more.

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#2019396 - 09/17/10 04:20 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
mimelio Offline


Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 133
Loc: New York
I ran it for a 6 month oil change cycle on my 2008 Yaris (warranty requirements call for 6 mo 5,000 mile oil & filter change). I can say that it is a excellent filter but, I can't really justify the $13 price. The shell is nice and thick also like a NAPA Gold/Wix or Mobil 1. Shocker is the Distance Plus is almost three times the cost of the NAPA Gold (that was on sale) that I just put on at last last oil change. I know someone compared (cut open) a Pure 1 & a Distance Plus and the media was different, the Distance Plus was a lighter yellow and thicker media.

To conclude the Bosch Distance Plus is a winner but, I would like to see it $4 or $5 cheaper though.

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#2019397 - 09/17/10 04:24 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: JGmazda]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
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Loc: Pottstown, PA
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Looks like a great filter. It's just pricey! $8-9 they'd probably sell more.


It would compete with PureOne. Maybe it's better stated to say that it looks like a great deal of value for a buck or two more than their other product. Whether you can manage to take advantage of either is always debatable ..but for $1-$2 more? Sure.

At my AA they carried no common part numbers. I asked for x'ref for all the usual suspects. FL1A, PH16, FL400S, etc. They didn't have one of them. Rethinking it, I should have just pulled a couple down and seen what thread was stamped on the base plate. I suspect that they only carried the Euro stuff with the high bypass valve settings.
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#2019400 - 09/17/10 04:40 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
mimelio Offline


Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 133
Loc: New York
I also want to mention the unique clear box. Could it be anti theft to prevent someone from switching it with a cheaper filter? Imagine paying $13 and getting home and finding an orange can of death because you didn't look in the box.

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#2019418 - 09/17/10 05:37 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: AuthorEditor]
lipadj46 Offline


Registered: 08/07/09
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Loc: Western NY
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
At a casual glance it looks identical to a Pure One, except for the color of the canister. Maybe the media is different?


It has synthetic media, I assume it has a metal mesh backing on the media like a donaldson or amsoil glass media. The case is also thicker than your tin can feeling Pure One.


Edited by lipadj46 (09/17/10 05:38 AM)
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#2019535 - 09/17/10 08:57 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: mimelio]
ARCOgraphite Offline


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Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
Originally Posted By: mimelio
I ran it for a 6 month oil change cycle on my 2008 Yaris (warranty requirements call for 6 mo 5,000 mile oil & filter change). ...
How did you get that to fit? NO Bosch or purolator classic fit my 08 Yaris - they only screw on 1 - 1/2 turns before contacting the gasket - which is not enough and 50% of the oil will bypass the filter !


Edited by ARCOgraphite (09/17/10 08:58 AM)
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#2019781 - 09/17/10 01:53 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ARCOgraphite]
Bottom_Feeder Offline


Registered: 12/07/08
Posts: 1410
Loc: Occupied Virginia
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
NO Bosch or purolator classic fit my 08 Yaris - they only screw on 1 - 1/2 turns before contacting the gasket - which is not enough and 50% of the oil will bypass the filter !

What filter part number are you trying to fit? Your Yaris uses the same standard L14476/3311-style filter that smaller Toyotas have used for about two decades.

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#2019827 - 09/17/10 02:42 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: lipadj46]
sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 7912
Loc: The Old North State
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
At a casual glance it looks identical to a Pure One, except for the color of the canister. Maybe the media is different?


It has synthetic media, I assume it has a metal mesh backing on the media like a donaldson or amsoil glass media.....
Nope. No metal mesh backing but says advanced synthetic fibers. Thicker can, base and greater holding capacity.http://www.boschautoparts.com/filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx JMO but I'd say BDP one year 12-15k, whereas P1 7.5-10k. I wouldn't get my money's worth out of the BDP, so I'll stick with the P1. BDP is a good filter though IMO, but $13 means getting miles to get the cost benefit.

Another thread showing the comparison display in Advance. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1992900

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#2019952 - 09/17/10 04:50 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ARCOgraphite]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 6767
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
How did you get that to fit? NO Bosch or purolator classic fit my 08 Yaris - they only screw on 1 - 1/2 turns before contacting the gasket - which is not enough and 50% of the oil will bypass the filter !


How is only screwing the filter on 1-1/2 turns to seat the gasket related to how the by-pass valve works? shrug

Are you talking spin-on filter here?

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#2020035 - 09/17/10 06:32 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
Gary Allan Offline


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I think he's saying that the threads are too loose at that point. These aren't tapered pipe threads, however. They're flat threads/AN/JIC/etc. So, they're what they are with the first mesh.
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#2020048 - 09/17/10 06:50 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Gary Allan]
ZeeOSix Offline


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Posts: 6767
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I think he's saying that the threads are too loose at that point. These aren't tapered pipe threads, however. They're flat threads/AN/JIC/etc. So, they're what they are with the first mesh.


You're probably correct on what he's meaning to say ... but I highly doubt 50% of the oil is going to leak past the threads and bypass the media. Remember when the filter is tight on the seat, the threads are messed up tight ... even if it is 1-1/2 or 2 threads worth, it's still sealing. If there was any minuscule gap in the thread lash up, it's not going to be able to flow GPMs worth of flow.

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#2020191 - 09/17/10 09:58 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
Newtonville Offline


Registered: 01/19/09
Posts: 267
Loc: USA
The threads have very little to almost no open flow area, and the small pressure differential between the inlet and outlet means there isn't a lot of pressure through the thread. I think so anyway.

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#2020222 - 09/17/10 10:38 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ZeeOSix]
Gary Allan Offline


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Posts: 39806
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but I highly doubt 50% of the oil is going to leak past the threads


I highly doubt any is.
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#2020433 - 09/18/10 09:56 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
ZZman Offline


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 4228
Loc: Michigan
There is a survey on their site about the filter.

We should all take it. I did.

I said it was too expensive so I would not be using it.

http://www.boschautoparts.com/filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx
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#2020726 - 09/18/10 04:49 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ZZman]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 6767
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: ZZman
There is a survey on their site about the filter.

We should all take it. I did.

I said it was too expensive so I would not be using it.

http://www.boschautoparts.com/filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx


My gut feeling is that if people don't buy enough of these, and if Bosch/Purolator doesn't reduce the price to sell more, it will probably be a short lived filter.

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#2023303 - 09/21/10 09:44 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
5sfe91 Offline


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Posts: 754
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I'll try and run one for a year or 12k miles and cut one open and report back.
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#2023898 - 09/21/10 06:51 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
ZeeOSix Offline


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Posts: 6767
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For anyone interested, Bosch has a survey that they would like the public to take concerning the Bosch Distance Plus filter. Maybe the survey will make them realize the cost is too high for a lot of people to justify.

Take the survey if interested ... located in upper right side of page.

http://www.boschautoparts.com/filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx

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#2023987 - 09/21/10 08:17 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ZeeOSix]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
For anyone interested, Bosch has a survey that they would like the public to take concerning the Bosch Distance Plus filter. Maybe the survey will make them realize the cost is too high for a lot of people to justify.


Well, for some it might be justified. Those who have European cars and follow the longer recommended OCIs and don't have easy access to the European spec filters, it might be worthwhile.

As it is, on the newest European vehicles, I've finally come across situations where there are actually two different European filters available from the same brand. I've seen Bosch/Mann/Mahle paper filters and Bosch/Mann/Mahle fleece extended OCI filters, and the latter ones are substantially more expensive.

It comes down to this. If one wants an extended OCI, one can buy a filter with a greater holding capacity. One should also expect to pay more money for it. If one wishes to do 3,000 mile OCIs, just about any filter will do the job. If someone chooses to buy a Bosch DP at a premium price for such short use, that's not Bosch's fault.
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#2026013 - 09/24/10 03:38 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Garak]
Mokanic Offline


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Thosw who feel long-life synthetic filters are too expensive are not willing to run them as long as they should be run.

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#2026018 - 09/24/10 03:56 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
For anyone interested, Bosch has a survey that they would like the public to take concerning the Bosch Distance Plus filter. Maybe the survey will make them realize the cost is too high for a lot of people to justify.


Well, for some it might be justified. Those who have European cars and follow the longer recommended OCIs and don't have easy access to the European spec filters, it might be worthwhile.

As it is, on the newest European vehicles, I've finally come across situations where there are actually two different European filters available from the same brand. I've seen Bosch/Mann/Mahle paper filters and Bosch/Mann/Mahle fleece extended OCI filters, and the latter ones are substantially more expensive.

It comes down to this. If one wants an extended OCI, one can buy a filter with a greater holding capacity. One should also expect to pay more money for it. If one wishes to do 3,000 mile OCIs, just about any filter will do the job. If someone chooses to buy a Bosch DP at a premium price for such short use, that's not Bosch's fault.


It really comes down to personal taste. There is enough factual information out there to serve as a starting point for some solid, non-opinion based, information on any given filter.

As soon as someone starts talking about how 'this is waste' unless you're doing that, or 'this is too expensive unless you own this, therefore you really want this' I just roll my eyes and dismiss their entire post as useless info.

I come here for facts. I research my choices, look at the prices, and buy accordingly. Value judgments tend to be entirely subjective and will vary from person to person. Its their money to spend, or to "waste" as they see fit.

As I earn my paycheck (big emphasis on the "I", and the "earn"), I could really care less about anyone's value judgments on the issue.

Its not why I come here. And as my line of work involves detoxing people who (in some cases) put upwards of a thousand bucks of blow up their nose, into their lungs, or their veins - per day - I especially find all the quibbling that takes place about a $3 or $4 difference in the cost of a product used typically up to a year to be a joke.

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#2026046 - 09/24/10 05:21 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Spyder7]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Spyder7
It really comes down to personal taste. There is enough factual information out there to serve as a starting point for some solid, non-opinion based, information on any given filter.


That's partially true, but there is more to it than just personal preference. The Europeans came out with extended drains and filters for that purpose for a reason. You and I already pay a premium for oil compared to our American friends. We still pay a pittance compared to what many Europeans pay.

I probably change my oil too often. I certainly could go much longer if I chose the appropriate oil and did some UOA trending and so forth. As it stands, I don't find it necessary to run a Bosch Distance Plus (not even available here yet), Mobil 1, K&N, Amsoil, Fram Extended Guard, or Royal Purple filter. I buy Wix and German import filters for one third to one half the price. As an aside, the German filters are speced for extended OCIs, and many have run Wix for extended OCIs with good results.

Look at any new Benz, Audi, or BMW. They spec a fleece filter for the factory mandated extended OCIs. They also offer a paper filter for shorter OCIs. If someone wants to spend $20 for a fleece filter instead of $10 for a paper for a short OCI, that's certainly up to them.

Yes, people are free to spend as much on oil and filters as they want. A person running a 3,000 mile OCI, however, on a basic vehicle isn't going to convince me he needs Royal Purple or Amsoil along with a $15 filter. He's also not going to convince me that his vehicle will last longer than mine if he does 3,000 miles with a boutique synthetic and a $15 filter and if I do 3,000 miles with Quaker State conventional and a Wix.

I'm not saying he should extend his OCI out to 25,000 miles, either, without careful research. One can go nuts in either direction.

The fleet vehicles I've maintained have gone a combined mileage in the millions. 99% of the oil changes were with Quaker State conventional and Wix filters at a 6,000 mile OCI, when the 3,000 mile OCI was still considered gospel. Their engines all ran fine when they went to their final resting places. I got over 1,000,000 km out of a 1981 Impala before its body started to show its age. The engine was fine; it was retired because the body had the bun. What possible advantage could I have gotten running synthetic and a high end filter (not readily available then anyhow)?

From that position of operational experience, I would have been in a very tough position had I put forward a deviation from those maintenance methods. If I would have suggested returning to 3,000 miles, I would have been asked why. The vehicles never failed, so why double the oil and filter cost? If I would have suggested synthetic and ultra expensive filters, the same questions would have been asked. Back then, the difference in price between conventional and synthetic was far more than it is now.

Some things are perfectly clear and logical. A Fram orange can may do the job admirably. Its price, however, is not justified by its construction quality. I can get a Wix cheaper than a Fram. What possible justification could I have for buying a Fram? One can discuss personal taste, but that would be bad taste, along with poor reasoning.

I have no problem with people spending money as they wish. I just don't buy the argument from people who claim that the most expensive boutique oil and the highest priced filter will make their vehicle last longer over a normal OCI.

Those who complain about the price of the Bosch DP are missing the point. It's not there for people who want to run average OCIs. It's not there for people who can find the actual German filters at a reasonable price. They'll gladly sell them to people who wish to change every 3,000 miles, but that's not their target market. Heck, even the Bosch site indicates that Bosch filters are primarily for European vehicles and the Purolator line are for all others.
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#2026398 - 09/24/10 11:50 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Garak]
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Quote:
I just don't buy the argument from people who claim that the most expensive boutique oil and the highest priced filter will make their vehicle last longer over a normal OCI.


Nor should you. There is no such thing as magic oil. If there was, commercial applications would pay whatever it took to get longer intervals between overhauls. They can already get up to 5X the drain intervals with synthetics over conventional ..already have the FINEST in filtration (centrifuge) and YET see NO SIGNIFICANT differences in overhaul rates.

If you're swapping out oil often enough, advanced filtration does little for you.

..but buy as you please ..it's your money. Just don't expect a lot of support for the action as being sensible in any cost:benefit analysis.
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#2026429 - 09/24/10 12:18 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Gary Allan]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Nor should you. There is no such thing as magic oil. If there was, commercial applications would pay whatever it took to get longer intervals between overhauls. They can already get up to 5X the drain intervals with synthetics over conventional ..already have the FINEST in filtration (centrifuge) and YET see NO SIGNIFICANT differences in overhaul rates.

If you're swapping out oil often enough, advanced filtration does little for you.


Quite true. Some of those rigs do some pretty amazing OCIs. As for filters, I certainly agree. I haven't paid over $5 for a filter for a rather long time. I did find a place that sells EaOs up here. I must fight the temptation. wink
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#2026507 - 09/24/10 01:56 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Nor should you. There is no such thing as magic oil. If there was, commercial applications would pay whatever it took to get longer intervals between overhauls. They can already get up to 5X the drain intervals with synthetics over conventional ..already have the FINEST in filtration (centrifuge) and YET see NO SIGNIFICANT differences in overhaul rates.

If you're swapping out oil often enough, advanced filtration does little for you.


Quite true. Some of those rigs do some pretty amazing OCIs. As for filters, I certainly agree. I haven't paid over $5 for a filter for a rather long time. I did find a place that sells EaOs up here. I must fight the temptation. wink


Doug Hillary ..in one moment of brilliant light bulb illuminating posting (imagine the theme music from 2001 a Space Odyssey ..where the primate managed to put together the idea of using the rib bone as a club grin ) ..tried to communicate just what I said. It was, for me, one of two very important posts of my BITOG career.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=154908#Post154908
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#2026691 - 09/24/10 04:55 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Gary Allan]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Doug Hillary ..in one moment of brilliant light bulb illuminating posting (imagine the theme music from 2001 a Space Odyssey ..where the primate managed to put together the idea of using the rib bone as a club grin ) ..tried to communicate just what I said. It was, for me, one of two very important posts of my BITOG career.


Oh yes. For them, it's all about the cost. If they can make an extended OCI pay off, and they certainly can, it's definitely worth it. Cutting the downtime is a huge advantage, too.

The average person can change oil every week if they really want and not affect down time - just their spare time. A tractor - that's another issue. They don't tend to make a lot of money sitting around.
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#2026782 - 09/24/10 06:00 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Well, more importantly it shows the total impact of maintenance on an even playing field. One devoid of emotion and totally about return on investment. If there was a way to make an engine last any longer, they would do it ..and already are to the maximum benefit. Even Teutonic propensities for infinite complexity at all costs cannot invade this realm of commercial cartage.

Any innovation, invention, adaptation, whatever ..has to "carry itself" and then some to make sense.

Now in our case, we aren't treating and using our cars like appliances/machinery. If our "house" (as in "The House of Allan") were operated like a commercial enterprise (I try ..Oh GOD, I try) we'd do things a bit differently when it came to our personal vehicles.

So, we have varied usage profiles and are not operating them much more than we're operating them. This is where we get to cloud the issues and, perhaps, alter how our usage/maintenance/whatever affects outcomes ..even if we aren't ever going to see that outcome.
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#2027162 - 09/25/10 06:48 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Gary Allan]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Now in our case, we aren't treating and using our cars like appliances/machinery. If our "house" (as in "The House of Allan") were operated like a commercial enterprise (I try ..Oh GOD, I try) we'd do things a bit differently when it came to our personal vehicles.


I'm trying, too. There are always so many good, albeit expensive, products to try though! It's been tough to fight the urge to buy Mobil 1, K&N, RP, or EaO filters. wink

My dad ensured I ran the fleet as a fleet. No fancy filters. No synthetics (considering how expensive they were at the time). No messing around with UOAs. Just change the darned oil and filter with what I give you when I give it to you!
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#2027235 - 09/25/10 09:16 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Spyder7]
Challenger71 Offline


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Posts: 503
Loc: Va
Originally Posted By: Spyder7

As soon as someone starts talking about how 'this is waste' unless you're doing that, or 'this is too expensive unless you own this, therefore you really want this' I just roll my eyes and dismiss their entire post as useless info.

I come here for facts. I research my choices, look at the prices, and buy accordingly. Value judgments tend to be entirely subjective and will vary from person to person. Its their money to spend, or to "waste" as they see fit.

As I earn my paycheck (big emphasis on the "I", and the "earn"), I could really care less about anyone's value judgments on the issue.

Its not why I come here. And as my line of work involves detoxing people who (in some cases) put upwards of a thousand bucks of blow up their nose, into their lungs, or their veins - per day - I especially find all the quibbling that takes place about a $3 or $4 difference in the cost of a product used typically up to a year to be a joke.

-Spyder


Well stated. I'm happy overall when it's about what I want for my vehicles and this usually entails not making an attempt at shortcuts (financially) with parts replacement and maintenance. I'd like the very best available in this particular case as it pertains to oil filters and Bosch DP fits the bill, as do a few others I have in the garage (RP, K&N, Amsoil). Debating on saving three or four dollars per filter is not worth the headache.
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#2027241 - 09/25/10 09:23 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Challenger71]
Garak Offline


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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Challenger71
Well stated. I'm happy overall when it's about what I want for my vehicles and this usually entails not making an attempt at shortcuts (financially) with parts replacement and maintenance. I'd like the very best available in this particular case as it pertains to oil filters and Bosch DP fits the bill, as do a few others I have in the garage (RP, K&N, Amsoil). Debating on saving three or four dollars per filter is not worth the headache.


I certainly agree with that. If one wants the filter, buy it. If it's too expensive, don't. We live in the Land of Expensive Frams, though, so we have all kinds of fun to deal with.
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#2027437 - 09/25/10 02:17 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
AuthorEditor Offline


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 1405
Loc: New York
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Any innovation, invention, adaptation, whatever ..has to "carry itself" and then some to make sense.


I agree, but I think there are some benefits to synthetics and better filters that you get whatever your OCI usage. For example, cold flow characteristics. In the middle of winter I notice a big difference when the car has soaked overnight in 20-below weather. OK, sure it will eventually crank over with dino in there, but I wonder how much wear and tear that puts on the starter motor? I have routinely found that starter motors last about 120,000 miles and then kaput. Avoiding one middle of the winter non start with a tow would pay for a lot of synthetic oil. Same with silicone ADBVs on filters. More flexible in the cold means less noise and wear and tear on start up. Maybe there is no quantifiable gain in engine longevity, but it sure takes time off my life to hear the engine making noises on start up.

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#2028337 - 09/26/10 01:00 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: AuthorEditor]
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Still cant find that survey,,anyway quality filter yes.. but that price is a joke,i can get synthetic filters for waaay less.

anyone measure pleat thickness of the DP against the yellow P1's??? i bet there close.
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#2028425 - 09/26/10 02:53 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: daman]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 6767
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: daman
Still cant find that survey ...


Looks like the Distance Plus survey is gone now on the page I had originally linked to earlier.

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#2029054 - 09/27/10 09:32 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: ZeeOSix]
john1944 Offline


Registered: 01/14/09
Posts: 193
Loc: St. Paul, Minnesota
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: daman
Still cant find that survey ...


Looks like the Distance Plus survey is gone now on the page I had originally linked to earlier.


Yes. I took the survey and asked them to lower price in my comments. The next day, the survey was gone.

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#2032114 - 09/29/10 08:19 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: john1944]
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Registered: 01/14/09
Posts: 193
Loc: St. Paul, Minnesota
When I finally looked at the Bosch D3500, I noticed the inlet holes for the oil are oblong like those on the MC FL1a filter. The Pure One and Bosch Premium holes are round. Not a big deal - just an observation of details.

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#2032378 - 09/30/10 06:12 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: AuthorEditor]
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Posts: 2269
Loc: NL, Canada
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Quote:
Any innovation, invention, adaptation, whatever ..has to "carry itself" and then some to make sense.


I agree, but I think there are some benefits to synthetics and better filters that you get whatever your OCI usage. For example, cold flow characteristics. In the middle of winter I notice a big difference when the car has soaked overnight in 20-below weather. OK, sure it will eventually crank over with dino in there, but I wonder how much wear and tear that puts on the starter motor? I have routinely found that starter motors last about 120,000 miles and then kaput. Avoiding one middle of the winter non start with a tow would pay for a lot of synthetic oil. Same with silicone ADBVs on filters. More flexible in the cold means less noise and wear and tear on start up. Maybe there is no quantifiable gain in engine longevity, but it sure takes time off my life to hear the engine making noises on start up.


This goes to intrinsic qualities and attempts to put a price tag on them; which usually fails. Value judgments are very personal and very subjective, as such, they are hard to play a numbers game with. Example:

I avoid the direct route to work and take the longer highway route instead. I do this after having a couple close calls in the stop and go, and sometimes congested, direct route that didn't really lend well to beginning my shift with the right frame of mind.

So instead I go the longer route and wind up going in much more relaxed, having had to deal with no lights, no congestion, and no close calls (and I prefer highway over stop and go city).

Even though I get better mileage on the highway, it still costs an extra 5 to 10 minutes of time and likely a bit more fuel for the distance involved. Though highway miles being easier on the car (brakes, etc), a total economic view would cut the added expense some. But it still costs a bit more. I gladly spend it as the extra fuel cost is a paltry sum weighed against the earnings from the shift and the more relaxed it begins when I haven't had to battle traffic to get there.

Perhaps a cheaper filter would perform satisfactorily to the 10k interval its used for. But the difference in price isn't worth it when there is no 'perhaps' with my filter choice, and I simply put it on and forget about it. That is something that is hard to quantify, but the difference in price makes this added value negligible.

If only other issues were as easily resolved as spending an extra few bucks, over perhaps a 1 year interval, to resolve. Life would be much less stressful.

-Spyder
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#2032425 - 09/30/10 07:24 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Loc: New York
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If only other issues were as easily resolved as spending an extra few bucks, over perhaps a 1 year interval, to resolve. Life would be much less stressful.


Exactly! Each person's life and car scenario is unique and maybe warrants different considerations. For example, I do not have a garage and must change my oil outside, weather permitting. I drive a fair bit so it is necessary to change the oil several times in several cars over the winter. We have long periods here in the winter due to snow/ice/cold/etc. when it would be very difficult to get the car up on ramps, get under it, and change the oil. Using a higher quality filter and oil gives me the peace of mind that if I need to I can extend my OCI by 1000 miles or more until a break in the weather or my schedule.

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#2034382 - 10/01/10 11:25 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Loc: Maryland,
I'd use a Motorcraft and save the money for gasoline.

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#2035872 - 10/03/10 08:13 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
river_rat Offline


Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 3402
Loc: Iowa
Yeah, it's basically a PureOne with thicker media and canister. Heavy steel center tube. Filters about as well as P-1 but tougher for long OCIs.

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#2035898 - 10/03/10 08:37 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Registered: 09/13/10
Posts: 129
Loc: Southern New Hampshire
i have one on the jeep,ill be interested to see how it held up after a 7,500 oci
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#2035906 - 10/03/10 08:44 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: trabuccomlfrd]
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Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 3402
Loc: Iowa
I'm running one now too, along with Amsoil 5W-30. I'll probably run it a year and cut it open.

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#2035942 - 10/03/10 09:29 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Registered: 06/04/10
Posts: 517
Loc: Colorado
I'll stick to Purolator Pure 1's for 7 bucks, no way will I pay 13 bucks for an oil filter, besides, my oci is only 7000 miles on M1.
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#2041731 - 10/09/10 09:01 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: subiedriver]
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Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 3402
Loc: Iowa
For all practical purposes, what you are doing is probably the better buy.
I wanted to try a D+ though for giggles.

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#2041762 - 10/09/10 09:36 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: subiedriver]
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Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 6767
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: subiedriver
I'll stick to Purolator Pure 1's for 7 bucks, no way will I pay 13 bucks for an oil filter, besides, my oci is only 7000 miles on M1.


Yeah, that's a good combo for that OCI. thumbsup

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#2099848 - 12/08/10 06:21 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 7
Loc: Central New York
You don't have to cut open, for part #D3324 canister style oil filter. Fits 2009 Malibu 2.4, I compared to the Mobil EP filter(part#M1C-151)- have pic But don't know how to post pics. The DistancePlus is almost white in color, Mobil is a medium yellow, and WIX/NAPA Gold (part#57082) and AC Delco(part#PF458G) are closer to a light brown. My opinion is the DistancePlus filtering media is very close or possibly the same as whats in the Amsoil Ea filters.
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#2099864 - 12/08/10 06:38 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Registered: 12/08/10
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Loc: Central New York
Can try this? Loaded pic to facebook page think you can click link and then log in and view pic. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1484604238965&set=a.1484604198964.2064490.1349668153
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#2100146 - 12/08/10 10:35 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Ronald__L]
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Registered: 11/23/03
Posts: 1438
Loc: Vancouver, WA
Thanks for the pics Ronald. The o ring on the Mobil 1 filter is really small. Where are these two filters made?


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#2100321 - 12/09/10 08:03 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
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Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 7
Loc: Central New York
Just got home from work and went to see. The Mobil 1 EP has made in Balgaria stamped on it, and the Bosch DistancePlus has made in the USA stamped on it.
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#2100505 - 12/09/10 10:24 AM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Ronald__L]
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Registered: 11/23/03
Posts: 1438
Loc: Vancouver, WA
Wow! Bulgaria? That's were the cheap Fram and STP Ecotec filters are made. I wouldn't pay $16.00 for that Mobil 1 filter.

Was the Distance Plus $13.00 +?
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#2100866 - 12/09/10 04:14 PM Re: Bosch Distance Plus cut open [Re: Finklejag]
Ronald__L Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 7
Loc: Central New York
At Advance Auto Parts the Mobil 1 is $19.99 and they carry at store where I live. The Distance Plus is $13.49 but have to order. Yah I agree after seeing the DistancePlus I will be ordering from now on. I have not used the DistancePlus yet but soon, but I still prefer the Mobil over the AC Deco,fram, and Napa Gold/WIX do to the below 20F here in New York winters. Because of the Synthetic blend fibers in the Mobil 1 it elimanated all cold start ticking(called GM and they told me that is the nature of the beast,normal), with the others I would get the ticking for the first 3 minutes until warm. This is with using Castrol Edge 5w-30.

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