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#1938850 - 06/30/10 04:21 PM Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Wow, look at all the moly and calcium in the Maxlife Synthetic!


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#1938887 - 06/30/10 05:04 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: TallPaul]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
Aside from throwing a little Pb, it actually doesn't look too shabby.

Oxidation and Nitration are inverted from what I'm used to. Oxidation always exceeded nitration in any report I've seen. I haven't a clue what it would mean, but it's different.

They don't list any make up on the report.
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#1938900 - 06/30/10 05:13 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: Gary Allan]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
1/2 quart of makeup, this truck uses practically no oil. Sump is about 5.5 qts, not sure where they get "2.0" from. No additives in this brew, Max Syn is robust enough by itself, eh?

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#1938924 - 06/30/10 05:50 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: TallPaul]
river_rat Offline


Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 3402
Loc: Iowa
Ya. They list 300 ppm moly on the PDS. Tough stuff.

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#1938988 - 06/30/10 07:06 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: river_rat]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9838
Loc: Illinois
For a Ford this isn't very good for 7K. Lab reports "abnormal" which it seems to be.
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#1939148 - 06/30/10 09:47 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: tig1]
SnPb Offline


Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 116
Loc: Arizona
Thanks for sharing. I'm interested in seeing UOA's from Valvoline products as you don't see very many of them here. Odd though, I thought that Valvoline had less Calcium and more Sodium in their additive package.

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#1939205 - 06/30/10 10:27 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: SnPb]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Note that the previous OCI on that lab report (changeout Oct 09) was Straight 30 weight Valvoline Premium Coventional with a 15 oz bottle CD2 High Mileage additive and 5 oz SLOB (both about 4000+ ppm zinc and phosphorus, no moly).

Well, the high numbers could be partly attributable to the fact that I drive it hard, not abusive (no dumping the clutch, etc.), just hard, foot in the pedal a lot, I like to stomp the pedal and make it lurch out. Like to wind it out (yeah, haha, 3600 rpm is winding this motor out). Like to have a good time driving it.

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#1939250 - 06/30/10 11:20 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: tig1]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
It's only flagged abnormal for the nitration. While I wouldn't be upset at the Pb, it would be more "noise" than I would like. It's probably still recovering from its second purging of machining leftovers from back in 05. which can be seen here!

The rest is fairly respectable for a 60's engine design with all the non-bells and non-whistles.

I doubt that there's a VOA of this with oxi and nit numbers in the VOA section.

How do you think M1 HM 10w-30 would do here?


This oil has been in service (am I reading it right) 8 full months?
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#1939346 - 07/01/10 05:54 AM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: Gary Allan]
Mokanic Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1563
Loc: North Carolina, USA
Those engines used tri-metal bearings and due to the long crank in them they would flex alot(especially if you wind one up). The bearings shed metal alot regardless of oil brand. It'll run about 300K before you start hearing that deep rumble when you start her up. The bearings will look horrible upon inspection but the crank will mic out perfect. I had an 88 F-250 with the old granny gear 4spd and the 4.9L engine. Sucked gas,was slow,but would haul/tow bout anything I needed it to.

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#1939455 - 07/01/10 08:36 AM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: Mokanic]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Sucked gas, is slow, but man when you stomp the pedal around 2000 rpm it really gives you a kick in the rear. That is the feel I like.

My first ever UOA on any vehicle was this truck and was at Blackstone, well before the sand sucking PCV hose lead incident. The report was beautiful, one that any BITOG'er would frame and hang on the wall to admire. Surely I posted it here, but probably back about 2004 or earlier.

M1? I don't think it is as robust as Maxlife. Might get higher lead levels. wink2

Wouldn't the lead to some extent be self limiting in that lead is a lubricant (leaded gas in old days lubed the valve seats IIRC).

Frankly, the numbers above don't bother me. Nice info Mokanic, seems there is a long way for me to go, time for the body to rot off long before the engine goes south.

Next truck, either another 4.9L six, or a Ranger 4 banger with double redline (Redline Oil and Redline every time I take off from a light). Gotta be a manual tranny. I can't drive automatics very well, they confuse me.

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#1939487 - 07/01/10 09:23 AM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: TallPaul]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Link to my first ever oil analysis on the F150, a beautiful report: Beautiful Oil Report Which shows this for the F150 (of course what analysis would not look great at 3000 miles?):

F150 300 cid inline six with 108,528 miles at oil sample time. Oil has 3012 miles on it. Typical driving is 15 mile trips. Blackstone comments:

"PAUL: Your first-ever oil analysis looks great! The universal averages column shows typical wear from a Ford 4.9L V-6 engine after about 3200 miles on the oil. Your oil was in use 3012 miles, and your wear levels are reading well below those averages. You could run this oil longer, if you wanted to. We'd suggest trying 4500 miles for the next oil change. Your engine can take it! The oil can take it! Your oil & air filtration systems are working well too--note silicon and insolubles. All in all, things look great. Check back next oil change to establish solid wear trends."

Aluminum 3
Chromium 1
Iron 7
Copper 6
Lead 4
Tin 0
Moly 0
Nickel 0
Manganese 0
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 0
Boron 2
Silicon 12
Sodium 4
Calcium 2382
Magnesium 10
Phosphorus 732
Zinc 881
Barium 0

210F SUS Viscosity: 68.2
Flashpoint: 385
Fuel: <0.5
Antifreeze: 0.0
Water: 0.0
Insolubles: 0.4

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#1939972 - 07/01/10 05:02 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: TallPaul]
Nickdfresh Offline


Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 3446
Loc: Buffalo, NY
I wish I could find the full syn around here, I've only seen one single solitary quart of ML FS 5W-30 at a local Wal-Mart...

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#1940073 - 07/01/10 06:38 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: Nickdfresh]
addyguy Offline


Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 13429
Loc: Canada
Seems like your truck never really 'recovered' from the unhooked hose incident - these levels are lot higher than I'd like to see for only 7k miles on a stout synthetic.

I've done 8800+ miles on a dino 5W-30, in mixed driving, on an 'old school' OHV engine like this, and gotten better results.
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#1940936 - 07/02/10 02:56 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: addyguy]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
I grabbed about 70 quarts when AZ and others were offing it cheap, like $3 a quart back a few years ago. Yeah, it does not seem to be available much of anywhere--too bad.

Right, probably never will recover from the gravel shovel. Bet there are bits of grit embedded still. A shame. But it'll live as long as I need it to.

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#1946847 - 07/08/10 03:08 PM Re: Maxlife Syn 10w30, 7000 miles 4.9L F150 [Re: TallPaul]
addyguy Offline


Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 13429
Loc: Canada
What will your next fill be/is?
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