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#1877614 - 05/01/10 07:28 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: BobFout]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11756
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: BobFout
The bigger issue is not just the cat, but the whole multi-thousand dollar emissions system of the Clean Diesel TDIs.


Well, that could be a problem. How sticky has VW been on the issue? Are they actually supplying warranty-specified oils in their service plans? A few year back, VW of North America was not.
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#1877642 - 05/01/10 07:52 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: Garak]
BobFout Offline


Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 2682
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: BobFout
The bigger issue is not just the cat, but the whole multi-thousand dollar emissions system of the Clean Diesel TDIs.


Well, that could be a problem. How sticky has VW been on the issue? Are they actually supplying warranty-specified oils in their service plans? A few year back, VW of North America was not.


Indeed, just like it has been for some years now, some dealers do, some don't.

What actual impact that has on the engine and emissions systems, I don't know. That would take years for someone to find out.
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#1877713 - 05/01/10 09:08 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: BobFout]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Indeed, just like it has been for some years now, some dealers do, some don't.

What actual impact that has on the engine and emissions systems, I don't know. That would take years for someone to find out.


Just noticed your signature. Are any of the Royal Purples speced for VW TDIs? A buddy has one, I believe a 2005 vintage, and he's been curious. I haven't come across anything.
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#1914014 - 06/05/10 01:09 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: scurvy]
Tornado Red Offline


Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 1735
Loc: Saint Paul (ex-San Diego)
Originally Posted By: scurvy
I'd go to Pep Boys and get the Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w40. I personally don't cotton to using 5w30 in diesels. While the M1ESPFM isn't technically 507.00 rated, it is MB 229.51 rated which IMO is certainly good enough.


The OP asked for advice, your's is the best advice in this thread. During the warranty period, MAYBE the 5w30 ESP Formula, but the 5w40 ESP Formula M would be my first choice too.
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#1917929 - 06/09/10 02:40 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: FowVay]
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Registered: 07/08/09
Posts: 232
Loc: Florida
I would vote for Mobil as well at least it is a true synthetic. I know but I could not help it!
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#1918178 - 06/09/10 06:35 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: BigBird57]
Finklejag Offline


Registered: 11/23/03
Posts: 1445
Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: BigBird57
I would vote for Mobil as well at least it is a true synthetic. I know but I could not help it!


I hate to break the bad news to you. All the Mobil 1 ESP oils are hyrdocracked group III.
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#1918202 - 06/09/10 07:09 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: m37charlie]
HondaMan Offline


Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 671
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Re DEO vs 507:
507 is based on ACEA C3. Which not only specifies ash <0.8% but P between 700 and 900ppm. DEO is a CJ4 oil and is likely close to 1200ppm, with ash up to 1.0%.
Mercedes in page 223.2 of
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?session_id=&navigation_path=&language_id=1
allow use of 228.51 oils but not 228.31 in DPF equipped vehicles.
What's the difference? 228.31 is essentially CJ4 and allows P up to 1200ppm. Whereas 228.51 allows only 800ppm P. Too much P will poison catalysts more quickly.

DEO fails in 2 key aspects for this application.
I wouldn't use it unless you are fond of replacing precious metal containing catalysts and the DPF more quickly than necessary.

Charlie


Charlie,

Thanks for this information. I have a new direction in which to focus my CJ4 studies.

Cheers

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#1918239 - 06/09/10 07:43 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: Finklejag]
BobFout Offline


Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 2682
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Finklejag
Originally Posted By: BigBird57
I would vote for Mobil as well at least it is a true synthetic. I know but I could not help it!


I hate to break the bad news to you. All the Mobil 1 ESP oils are hyrdocracked group III.


How did you get Mobil to divulge that information?
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#1918381 - 06/09/10 09:31 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: Finklejag]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9955
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Finklejag
Originally Posted By: BigBird57
I would vote for Mobil as well at least it is a true synthetic. I know but I could not help it!


I hate to break the bad news to you. All the Mobil 1 ESP oils are hyrdocracked group III.


Of course you have info from XM that they gave to you telling you this, right?
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#1921899 - 06/13/10 01:49 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: tig1]
ruking77 Offline


Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 824
Loc: San Jose area, CA
If it were mine, stay with the warranty recommendation

VW 507.00 5w30

After, VW 507.00 5w30

Total INEO 5w30 507.00

Mobil One 5w30 ESP VW 507.00

lesser known

Fuch's 5w30 VW 507.00 (factory fill)

If you are so inclined to go to a (non) VW 507.00 rated oil but close enough MB 229.51, aka low saps

Mobil One 5w40 ESP.

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#1925589 - 06/17/10 07:46 AM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: tig1]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1326
Loc: Atlanta,GA
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Finklejag
Originally Posted By: BigBird57
I would vote for Mobil as well at least it is a true synthetic. I know but I could not help it!


I hate to break the bad news to you. All the Mobil 1 ESP oils are hyrdocracked group III.


Of course you have info from XM that they gave to you telling you this, right?


Well you can look at their MSDS sheets. They say synthetic base oils and additives (US and German). The MSDS for Germany mentions POLYOLEFIN POLYAMINE SUCCINIMID in 1-5% concentrations but I'm not sure if that's an PAO additive or PAO base. Germany used to have a regulation regarding the naming oils as synthetic (Gr IV/V only) but I don't know if that's still the case.

The MSDS can be useful sometimes. For example I've seen revisions of the MSDS for Total Ineo MC3 5w-30. Over the years the base went from GR III to PAO and back to GR III (most recent). However Base Stocks aren't supposed to matter right??!
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#1926224 - 06/17/10 07:15 PM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
JAG Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 4547
Loc: Fredericksburg, VA
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Finklejag

I hate to break the bad news to you. All the Mobil 1 ESP oils are hyrdocracked group III.

Of course you have info from XM that they gave to you telling you this, right?

Well you can look at their MSDS sheets. They say synthetic base oils and additives (US and German). The MSDS for Germany mentions POLYOLEFIN POLYAMINE SUCCINIMID in 1-5% concentrations but I'm not sure if that's an PAO additive or PAO base. Germany used to have a regulation regarding the naming oils as synthetic (Gr IV/V only) but I don't know if that's still the case.

The MSDS can be useful sometimes. For example I've seen revisions of the MSDS for Total Ineo MC3 5w-30. Over the years the base went from GR III to PAO and back to GR III (most recent). However Base Stocks aren't supposed to matter right??!

Polyolefin Polyamine Succinimide is a dispersant which is not PAO oil. If you ever wonder what a chemical is, it usually helps to Google it. Sometimes the results are confusing such as this case, but here is one result discussing this chemical: http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/wipo/Engine-lubricant-with-high-sulfur/WO2002077133.html

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#1932484 - 06/24/10 08:06 AM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: BTLew81]
UG_Passat Offline


Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 1085
Loc: NJ
I have found through VOA, that the Total Ineo 507 does have a slightly higher TBN than Castrol Professional SLX LL03

Pretty, from what I have found, all Low SAPS 507 oils are Group III

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#1932548 - 06/24/10 09:13 AM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: UG_Passat]
m37charlie Offline


Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 1143
Loc: Alaska
I have received my supply of Delvac 1 LE 5W30 from Europe. It is ACEA E6/E4/E7 rated, also 228.5/51. <0.3% S, <800ppm P, 1.0% ash. I am going to try it in an 09 BMW X5 35d (LL04) and an 09 VW Jetta TDI (507).
One big advantage over ACEA C3 oils: TBN = 12.6
http://www.mobil.com/Italy-English/Lubes/PDS/glxxencvlmomobil_delvac_1_le_5w-30.pdf

Charlie
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#1932578 - 06/24/10 10:11 AM Re: Best VW 507 00 oil? [Re: m37charlie]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1326
Loc: Atlanta,GA
Originally Posted By: m37charlie


Very nice. UOA will be interesting. What OCI do u plan on running?
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