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#1901483 - 05/24/10 05:02 PM Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life?
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Registered: 11/23/09
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Loc: Suffolk County, NY
Peak is easier to find and I wouldn't have to mix.. just want to know if I can use it.. ThaNKS!
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#1901531 - 05/24/10 05:37 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: hardcore302]
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Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 8576
Loc: Ohio
Peak Global is not much more similar to G-05 than Dexcool is similar to G-05. Although PGL does have sodium benzoate as does G-05 and is non-2EHA, so most people prefer it to Dexcool. But neither has silicate like Dexcool has and PGL likely has another OAT inhibitor that is not known and could be one that is common in Dexcool. Usually Peal Global is harder to find than G-05. It's available at Ford dealersusually for a resonable price, Chrysler and Napa. I think Zerex actually does have a pre-mix G-05 but I haven't really seen it.

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#1901781 - 05/24/10 09:48 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: hardcore302]
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Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 818
Loc: Tacoma, WA
Originally Posted By: hardcore302
Peak is easier to find and I wouldn't have to mix.. just want to know if I can use it.. ThaNKS!


No.

Peak is another DexCool clone with an OAT other than 2-EH.

G-05 is a HOAT low-silicate formula.

The two have essentially nothing in common but ethylene glycol.

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#1901808 - 05/24/10 10:09 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: mechanicx]
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Registered: 10/23/09
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Loc: Ohio
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But neither has silicate like Dexcool has and PGL likely has another OAT inhibitor that is not known and could be one that is common in Dexcool.


I meant to type neither (Dexcool or PGL) has silicates like G-05 does.

Using PGL in place of G-05 would sort of be like using PGL in place of Japanese formula. It wouldn't make sense to substitute PGL for G-05 when G-05 is so readily and affordable available unlike Japanese formula.

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#1913041 - 06/04/10 01:28 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: mechanicx]
gm03 Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 16
Loc: southcarolina
Both of my Ford vehicles require coolant that meets Ford spec wss-m97b51-a1.PGL meets this spec,good enough for me.
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#1913043 - 06/04/10 01:29 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: mechanicx]
gm03 Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
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Loc: southcarolina
Both of my Ford vehicles require coolant that meets Ford spec wss-m97b51-a1.PGL meets this spec,good enough for me.
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#1913143 - 06/04/10 03:01 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: gm03]
mechanicx Offline


Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 8576
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: gm03
Both of my Ford vehicles require coolant that meets Ford spec wss-m97b51-a1.PGL meets this spec,good enough for me.


No Peak only "recommends" PGL for that Ford spec and several other specs. Not the same thing as actually meeting the spec.

Like I've said Dexcool and PGL are both OATs. G-05 is a silicated H-OAT. And really it could almost be considered an IAT. Using PGL is not much difference in reasoning than using Dexclone in place of G-05.

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#1913147 - 06/04/10 03:06 PM Re: Zerex G-05/Ford Gold same as Peak Global Life? [Re: mechanicx]
mechanicx Offline


Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 8576
Loc: Ohio
This is Ford's postition. Naturally they are going to be against other types of coolant, but they say universals do not generally meet the spec and silicates and nitrites are required.

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Some companies market a universal coolant, stating that their product can be used for all vehicle applications. Here is Ford Motor Company's official policy on these products.

Q: What is Ford's position on the use of "universal" coolants in Ford vehicles?
A: Ford does not have performance data for the multitude of engine coolants available in the aftermarket and therefore cannot recommend the use of any coolant except those approved by Ford Motor Company. Due to the complexity of cooling systems, no one coolant has been proven to work in all vehicles. "Universal" coolants generally do not contain silicates and nitrites, both of which are required for Ford vehicles equipped with Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant. Thus, these "universal" coolants generally do not meet Ford's coolant specification WSS-M97B51-A1.

Ford vehicles equipped with Motorcraft Premium Engine Coolant, meeting Ford specification ESE-M97B44-A, require silicates and, in the case of diesel engines, the use of Motorcraft Diesel Cooling System Additive, VC-8, which contains nitrites. Thus, these "universal" coolants may not be suitable for use in vehicles originally equipped with Motorcraft Premium Engine Coolant.

Based on blind laboratory ASTM testing performed in duplicate, two leading "universal" coolants currently in the marketplace did not meet the extended D2809 requirements of Ford's Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant specification, WSS-M97B51-A1.

The "universal" coolants may not be compatible with Ford's recommended supplemental coolant additive, Motorcraft Diesel Cooling System Additive, VC-8.

Use of non-approved "universal" coolants may lead to eventual engine damage or failure. Problems caused by use of non-approved "universal" coolant may not arise immediately, but may occur over longer periods of time due to additive compatibility issues.

Although the Ford New Vehicle Limited Warranty is not automatically voided upon the use of a non-approved coolant in Ford vehicles, if such use results in damage to the vehicle or its components, the cost of repairing the damage (and related damage) would not be covered by the Ford New Vehicle Limited Warranty.


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