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#1834785 - 03/28/10 10:42 AM PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question....
Odysseus2010 Offline


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Noticed at Advance Auto a display for Pure One and the Bosch Distance Plus - they seem to filter the same size particles but the display says the Bosch holds more grams of contaminants than the PureOne. Costs twice as much too and weighs twice as much. Is this a meaningful real-world advantage or just marketing hooey? I am switching to syn (probably Ultra or M1 EP) and want a filter that can last for an extended drain. Advice, observations, what do y'all think?
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#1834793 - 03/28/10 10:48 AM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: Odysseus2010]
DieselTech Offline


Registered: 10/27/09
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Seeing both filters cut open my observation is to stick with the P1 or the normal Bosch. I could not see any difference with the distance Plus.

I have been impressed with the Fram extended filter. Might consider that iof your planning to extend over 10,000 miles
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#1834850 - 03/28/10 11:43 AM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: Odysseus2010]
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Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 8576
Loc: Ohio
Well more holding capacity is a great thing to have, but how necessary it is and how much extra it is worth is debatable. The P1 is not an "extended interval" filter. It's holding capacity of 13 grams or so is about what standard OEM spec filters hold. We know that OE filters are allowed to go 12K+ miles, so you have to assume it doesn't develop to much restriction and bypass. The P1 is much more efficient and so it could potentially become restrictive quicker, but there's no test data that shows it becomes restrictive quicker than a lower efficiency oil filter shrug.

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#1834876 - 03/28/10 12:04 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: Odysseus2010]
Wilhelm_D Offline


Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 818
Loc: Tacoma, WA
Originally Posted By: Odysseus2010
Noticed at Advance Auto a display for Pure One and the Bosch Distance Plus - they seem to filter the same size particles but the display says the Bosch holds more grams of contaminants than the PureOne. Costs twice as much too and weighs twice as much. Is this a meaningful real-world advantage or just marketing hooey? I am switching to syn (probably Ultra or M1 EP) and want a filter that can last for an extended drain. Advice, observations, what do y'all think?


There really is no way to compare them without laboratory style testing or a number of field tests.

Increased capacity is not going to show up a difference in normal usage, say twice a year filter changes with typical driving.

Years ago when Champion was making both the Mobil 1 and the Delco Ultraguard I had the opportunity to compare them in some extended testing. The longer you ran them the better the Ultraguard looked.

But in the long run, given the high cost, the Ultraguard went off the market.

With some niche exceptions that has been the case with high capacity filters - usually with some synthetic media - like the Hard Driver, the Ultraguard, and so on.

If they filter at the same level, you can buy two or three normal capacity filters for the price of one high capacity filter, and just change them more often.

As far construction goes, the PureOne and the Bosch Distance Plus appear to be - except for the media - the same filter.

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#1835008 - 03/28/10 01:51 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: Wilhelm_D]
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#1835089 - 03/28/10 02:47 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: DieselTech]
SuperBusa Offline


Registered: 03/01/09
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Loc: WA
Guess the only time I'd use the Distance Plus (or similar long OCI filter) is if I had a vehicle that was a royal pain to change the oil filter on. I'd run the Distance Plus up to 15K miles (2 ea 7500 mi or 3 ea 5000 OCIs).
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#1835204 - 03/28/10 04:04 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: SuperBusa]
38sho Offline


Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 446
Loc: North Palm Beach
I forgot which application I looked at, but the PureOne and Bosch distance plus were IDENTICAL!

I thought it was once said that the Bosch filters are made by Champ Labs, for comparison I looked at the M1 and K&N Filters for the same application and they were totally different looking....
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#1835227 - 03/28/10 04:17 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: 38sho]
SuperBusa Offline


Registered: 03/01/09
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Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: 38sho
I forgot which application I looked at, but the PureOne and Bosch distance plus were IDENTICAL!


Not sure what you mean by identical. There is still debate on exactly what the differences are between the Distance Plug and the PureONE. The Distance Plus does specifically spec a higher holding capacity over the PureONE ... so that tells me there's a difference of some kind.

Originally Posted By: 38sho
I thought it was once said that the Bosch filters are made by Champ Labs, for comparison I looked at the M1 and K&N Filters for the same application and they were totally different looking....


No Bosch filters are made by Champion Labs that I know of. Bosch & Purolator make their own filters in their own factories AFAIK.
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#1835240 - 03/28/10 04:33 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: 38sho]
sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 8104
Loc: The Old North State
Originally Posted By: 38sho
I thought it was once said that the Bosch filters are made by Champ Labs, for comparison I looked at the M1 and K&N Filters for the same application and they were totally different looking....

Used to be before Bosch/Mann+Hummel bought Purolator in 06. Now Purolator makes Bosch.

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#1835414 - 03/28/10 06:49 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: 38sho]
Wilhelm_D Offline


Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 818
Loc: Tacoma, WA
Originally Posted By: 38sho
I thought it was once said that the Bosch filters are made by Champ Labs, for comparison I looked at the M1 and K&N Filters for the same application and they were totally different looking....


US made Bosch *were* made by Champion.

Then Bosch bought the Purolator filter factories.

European Bosch are another animal.

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#1870326 - 04/25/10 09:49 AM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: SuperBusa]
sbergman27 Offline


Registered: 03/12/10
Posts: 371
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Not sure what you mean by identical. There is still debate on exactly what the differences are between the Distance Plug and the PureONE.


I'll take a wild guess based upon no information. ;-)

What if the fibers of the media are spun finer? Same size holes, but since the fibers are thinner, there are more holes. Assuming the same media thickness, I would then expect the density of the media material itself to be lower for the Bosch than for the PureOne.

Or perhaps the media is just thicker? It would be interesting to measure the media thickness of both materials with a mic, and to measure the density of each.

If the media is thicker on the Bosch, expect a flurry of "I'd be worried about the flow on that" comments like we had for the PureOne before we determined that it was one of the best flowing filters on the market. :-)


Edited by sbergman27 (04/25/10 09:50 AM)

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#1870337 - 04/25/10 09:58 AM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: sbergman27]
sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 8104
Loc: The Old North State
Here's the latest info from our own river_rat. IMO, in the absence of other proof/data, his conclusions are pretty darn good.

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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1616368&page=30

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#1871591 - 04/26/10 11:27 AM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: sayjac]
sbergman27 Offline


Registered: 03/12/10
Posts: 371
Loc: Oklahoma
I just called Bosch for more detailed information on the filtration capabilities of the D+. Someone in the know is supposed to be calling me back.

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#1872356 - 04/26/10 10:31 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: sbergman27]
Newtonville Offline


Registered: 01/19/09
Posts: 267
Loc: USA
IMO there is a lot of confusion/overlap in the old and new filters, since Bosch switched from Champion. For one thing, the P1 always was advertised as a higher capacity filter, to the point people were saying how could oil flow through those packed pleats. For another thing, I don't see how a number in grams can be given for capacity when filters vary so much in size. Maybe less media is in the new P1 than the old, and the new DP is like the old P1, who knows what they are doing now. I know they want to get into the $15 filter market, and aren't going to give the $15 DP filter in disguise as a $7 P1.

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#1872388 - 04/26/10 11:08 PM Re: PureOne Vs. Bosch Distance Plus - A Question.... [Re: Newtonville]
sbergman27 Offline


Registered: 03/12/10
Posts: 371
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
I don't see how a number in grams can be given for capacity when filters vary so much in size.

That's a very good point. Presumably the ISO 4548-12 results given on their site are comparing the same application filter. They don't mention the application, though. So comparing 29.1g for the Bosch with 13g for the P1, as I have done in other posts, is treading upon shaky ground.

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