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#1810416 - 03/09/10 04:58 PM
Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
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Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 275
Loc: Danville, Indiana
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I'm torn between the 2 for my next oil change in my Jeep. Please offer suggestions to help me make up my mind.
Thanks!
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#1810421 - 03/09/10 05:03 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 835
Loc: Palmyra, PA
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I'm planning on trying the Ultra 5w-20 in mine next oil change. What do you use now?
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#1810426 - 03/09/10 05:06 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: afoulk]
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Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 275
Loc: Danville, Indiana
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I've got M1 5w30 in there now.
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#1810428 - 03/09/10 05:06 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: afoulk]
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Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 9514
Loc: Saratoga, NY
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Try ultra, and then get a UOA. I'd probably get some myself if I didn't already have some Valvoline Maxlife blend 5W-30 lined up for the next oil change.
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#1810439 - 03/09/10 05:10 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: Nick R]
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Registered: 10/27/09
Posts: 1969
Loc: AZ
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I'm running 5-20 ultra right now in our 07 5.4 and couldn't be happier. I should be ready for a UOA in a couple weeks
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#1810459 - 03/09/10 05:22 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: DieselTech]
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 8585
Loc: Illinois
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fsskier, who post here uses M1 0-20 with very good results. Several engines with 200-300K, with very long OCIs.
I use the M1 5-20EP in both Fords. Good results with that.
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#1810546 - 03/09/10 06:34 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 7112
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
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I'm torn between the 2 for my next oil change in my Jeep. Please offer suggestions to help me make up my mind.
Thanks! M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220.
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#1810559 - 03/09/10 06:45 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: CATERHAM]
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Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10163
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
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O/20 is my vote,i like 0w oils,great oil.
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#1810567 - 03/09/10 06:51 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: CATERHAM]
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Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 27985
Loc: NJ
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I'm torn between the 2 for my next oil change in my Jeep. Please offer suggestions to help me make up my mind.
Thanks! M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220. You're basing superiority on one thing, VI?
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#1810824 - 03/09/10 09:14 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: buster]
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Registered: 04/01/08
Posts: 2778
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
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I'm torn between the 2 for my next oil change in my Jeep. Please offer suggestions to help me make up my mind.
Thanks! M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220. You're basing superiority on one thing, VI? Seriously! You keep doing this over and over. "Unnacceptably low", how so?
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#1810832 - 03/09/10 09:17 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: panthermike]
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Registered: 02/04/10
Posts: 356
Loc: Indiana (For now)
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I'm torn between the 2 for my next oil change in my Jeep. Please offer suggestions to help me make up my mind.
Thanks! M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220. You're basing superiority on one thing, VI? Seriously! You keep doing this over and over. "Unnacceptably low", how so? Seems 5W-20 and OW-20 (!) Oils are good for Loooong mileage Engines, or rather High Mileage? Why so?
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#1810992 - 03/09/10 11:55 PM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: CATERHAM]
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Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 334
Loc: Southern Oregon, USA
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M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220. Redline 5w20 is widely regarded as the most robust 5w20 on the market. Has an HT/HS of 3.3. A noack of 8. And a viscosity index of a whopping 145. By your standards it must be a pooey oil.
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'08 Ford Fusion SEL 3.0L v6 Mobil1 0w20 AFE | Motorcraft FL-820s ------- '00 Ford Focus SE 2.0L SOHC Mobil1 0w30 AFE | Motorcraft FL-400S
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#1811012 - 03/10/10 12:19 AM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: sdude2k2000]
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Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 7112
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
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M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220. Redline 5w20 is widely regarded as the most robust 5w20 on the market. Has an HT/HS of 3.3. A noack of 8. And a viscosity index of a whopping 145. By your standards it must be a pooey oil. You can check out my opinion in detail on RL's 5W-20 grade in the recent VOA posting. But basically it is a 30wt oil in all but name and it's hard to imagine any 20wt application for which this old formulation is suitable. RL's own 0W-30 is a more modern and clearly superior formulation that is actually lighter at all start-up temps as high as 90F and is equally shear resistant.
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#1811019 - 03/10/10 12:28 AM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: buster]
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Registered: 01/05/09
Posts: 1772
Loc: USA
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I'm torn between the 2 for my next oil change in my Jeep. Please offer suggestions to help me make up my mind.
Thanks! M1 0W-20 is clearly a superior oil to the PU 5W-20 in every regard; there's no contest. PU's VI of 158 is unacceptably low for a synthetic oil. If you want an alternative to M1, consider the new Castrol Edge. Even their 5W-20 has a higher VI at 175 to MI at 171 and CE's 0W-20 blows them away at 220. You're basing superiority on one thing, VI? He just hates Ultra and it mad that people want to try something new, so he makes a comment on how it supposedly sucks in every thread where Ultra is mentioned. 
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#1811020 - 03/10/10 12:30 AM
Re: Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 vs Mobil 1 0w20
[Re: CATERHAM]
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Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 334
Loc: Southern Oregon, USA
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You can check out my opinion in detail on RL's 5W-20 grade in the recent VOA posting. But basically it is a 30wt oil in all but name and it's hard to imagine any 20wt application for which this old formulation is suitable. RL's own 0W-30 is a more modern and clearly superior formulation that is actually lighter at all start-up temps as high as 90F and is equally shear resistant. All of what you said is fine, however you didn't directly address my statement. Your classification of the 5w20 variant is irrelevant, please explain how you decipher quality oils from the viscosity index. Redline 0w20 = 166 Redline 5w20 = 145 Redline 0w30 = 183 Redline 5w30 = 162 Redline 10w30 = 142 Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 = 158 Pennzoil Ultra 5w30 = 169 Pennzoil Ultra 10w30 = 156 Are you to say all these oils minus the 0w30 are not good oils due to their "subpar" viscosity indexes? By your standards, the Ultra line is superior to every equivalent grade Redline oil. PS - No I'm not a Redline pimp, just using an oil everyone can agree is very highly regarded for comparison & to make a point.
Edited by sdude2k2000 (03/10/10 12:34 AM)
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