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#1774090 - 02/08/10 05:14 PM BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst
fcbuff Offline


Registered: 02/24/07
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Any big differences between these choices. The Mann visually looks like the BMW OEM filter, is that who makes it for them? I can get the Mann filters for 1/2 the price.
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#1774106 - 02/08/10 05:32 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Mann probably does make it for them.
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#1774114 - 02/08/10 05:45 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: defektes]
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I know in the VW-world, all the OEMs are good: Bosch, Mahle, Hengst and Mann.
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#1774117 - 02/08/10 05:48 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: defektes]
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Judging by looks alone, I prefer Mahle/Knecht over Mann, but performance-wise, there's probably little difference. You can't go wrong with either one.




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#1774130 - 02/08/10 06:00 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Registered: 01/28/09
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Mann is OEM to BMW, probably does the largest business, but Mahle, Bosch, and Hengst all show up as OEM to BMW on some units. Hengst is relatively new to the mix. Knecht is a subsidiary of Mahle.

Btw, that's Bosch in Europe, not the American Bosch version which is an altogether different filter.

Mahle:

http://www.pleuco.de/

Hengst.

http://www.hengst.de/conpresso/_rubric/index.php?rubric=Home_DE

Bosch:

http://www.bosch.de/start/content/language2/html/index.htm

Mann-Hummel:

http://www.mann-hummel.com/

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#1778546 - 02/11/10 08:18 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: Wilhelm_D]
ourfamo4 Offline


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BMW oil filters come from Mann but without a box.

I have a personal preference for Hengst oil filters, the just seem to be a better made filter.
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#1778677 - 02/11/10 10:20 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: ourfamo4]
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I use Hengst oil filter for MB E430 too, partially because it's cheaper than Mann or Mahle.
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#2828510 - 12/08/12 05:22 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Registered: 05/09/03
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Thread revival:
I noticed that the equivalent Mahle filter end has RAISED LIPS around the middle, and the Mann does not - it's flat on both ends... Due to this the actual FILTER area seems to be shorter on the Mahle. (space taken up by the raised lip around the middle)...

...Does this affect anything? I've been using Mahle for the last 4 OCs but do wonder sometimes if Mahle is better made...
Like QP said, it just LOOKS sturdier or something...



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#3185969 - 11/12/13 05:38 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
97tbird Offline


Registered: 05/09/03
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So I counted pleats on Mann and Mahle filters for the E46 I got from Amazon:
Mann 65 vs Mahle 74

I also noticed that the lettering on the Mahle on the filter cap is NOT YELLOW, but just embossed on the cap...(same info)-should this be a concern? still says Made in Austria. Box looks authentic.
The Mann filter is made in Mexico...



Edited by 97tbird (11/12/13 05:39 PM)
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#3186270 - 11/13/13 01:26 AM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Registered: 09/28/10
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I love these brands, Mann, Mahle, and Hengst.

Strange enough, for my Saab, the original Saab, Mann, Mahle, and Hengst are all identical. 100 percent and all from Germany.

On Mercedes, I've noticed Hengst being different as on the BMW example above.

Long time Mann was OEM on Mercedes, but their newest V6 (the 60 degree direct injected one) switched to a Mahle or Hengst for OEM, forget which one. The entire oil filtering unit switched from a Mann sourced part.

You can save a lot of money on European cars by getting OEM filters (cabin, air and oil) at such great prices. It's one of the maintenance perks of European cars in my opinion.



Edited by Ayrton (11/13/13 01:27 AM)

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#3186493 - 11/13/13 11:00 AM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Registered: 09/25/13
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
I was under the impression that BMW used Mann filters as OEM. If no, I wonder who makes the OEM filters for BMW.
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#3186649 - 11/13/13 01:06 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: stchman]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: stchman
I was under the impression that BMW used Mann filters as OEM. If no, I wonder who makes the OEM filters for BMW.


BMW uses both MANN and HENGST. The filters for my M5 are HENGST from BMW.
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#3186698 - 11/13/13 01:54 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Registered: 04/17/06
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The big 4 German cartridge oil filters Bosch, Mahle, Hengst and Mann are all good for European engines. I buy either 1 of these 4 brands based on price.
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#3186802 - 11/13/13 04:57 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: 97tbird]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Illinoistan
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
So I counted pleats on Mann and Mahle filters for the E46 I got from Amazon:
Mann 65 vs Mahle 74

So, have you figured out if there is any difference in dimensions between these two? smile

I don't have both on hand currently, so I can't take the measurements. But if you can measure the height, inner and outer diameter, then you can calculate the total filtering area, approximately.

I guess one could also check mfg websites for dimensions, but they seem to vary from one site to another. Plus, the Mahle one has those protruding sleeves on top and bottom, and I don't know if the height figure given on mfg website is inclusive of it or not.

Edit: but if you just go by mfg figures, you get surface area of 859 sq. inches for Mann and 980 sq inches for Mahle, if my math is right.

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#3186895 - 11/13/13 06:22 PM Re: BMW OEM vs Mann vs Mahle vs Hengst [Re: fcbuff]
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Registered: 05/09/03
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QP:
Thanks for the numbers...Mahle does seem better...
What did u think about the lettering on the Mahle cap not being yellow like the one pic you posted?
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