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#1652608 - 10/30/09 10:51 PM Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge
Kortik Offline


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 11
Loc: Seattle
ok did some UOA on my toyota 2zz engine here are the results

tell me what you think?
Back in May


Below Oct 2009





Edited by Kortik (10/30/09 10:55 PM)

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#1652619 - 10/30/09 11:03 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Kortik]
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This oil should be good for 10,000 miles. TBN is still good but as Bl St said silicon seems high.
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#1652636 - 10/30/09 11:33 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: tig1]
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Something is 'up' here. You have trace coolant elements, and for the miles, insols. are high. Might be the start of a problem.

Might want to do some shorter runs (5k dino runs) to monotor if there is a problem, although SSO will continue to handle 7-8k miles, even if there is coolant contamination.
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#1652727 - 10/31/09 03:20 AM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: addyguy]
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What I don't get is for percent antifreeze they put a question mark. If they actually can measure percent antifreeze then why the question mark? Can they calculate the percentage of antifreeze or not? Most people's UOA says 0 for antifreeze, but they don't have elevated markers for coolant, so it makes you wonder.

Also your water in the oil is zero so maybe no coolant is getting in the engine, but of course water can all boil off in hot engine oil if it's a slight coolant leak.

Does your coolant level drop any?

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#1652960 - 10/31/09 10:26 AM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: mechanicx]
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Why is the oil viscosity so much lower this time? At least wear is still looking good.
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#1653841 - 11/01/09 12:49 AM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: WishIhadatruck]
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Loc: Seattle
My air filter is dirty I am using AEM dry flow filter and I haven't cleaned it for 10K miles that's probably why silicon is high. or this oil already have high silicon content?

My coolant is fine I check it every-other week and the level doesn't change.
this time around Potassium is 12 compared to 21, which was in May of 2009.
So I have no idea why its so much its kind of weird.


I dont know maybe this Amsoil 0W30 VOA has that much of silicon as part of conditioner?

Does anybody have a VOA of this oil so I can compare?


Edited by Kortik (11/01/09 12:59 AM)

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#1653890 - 11/01/09 01:39 AM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Kortik]
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Thre's one in the VOA section from when this oil came out.....
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#1654511 - 11/01/09 05:47 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Kortik]
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Did you have any work done to the engine at any point here? While the coolant indicators are in retreat, something is un-right (as others have said). It doesn't appear to be effecting normal wear patterns like we usually see, but is a bit unsettling none the less.

This surely warrants continued monitoring. I would probably be tempted to try some of the coolant tabs to see if the condition can be further reduced.
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#1654710 - 11/01/09 08:30 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Gary Allan]
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Kostia,
Make a $4 experiment. Buy a Subaru cooling system conditioner (in any Subaru dealership, small blue bottle) and pour it into coolant. It should stop getting coolant to oil. I had a same problem with my old Sentra and was able to fix it nicely.
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#1654752 - 11/01/09 08:57 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Kortik]
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Registered: 05/11/08
Posts: 230
Loc: Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: Kortik
My air filter is dirty I am using AEM dry flow filter and I haven't cleaned it for 10K miles that's probably why silicon is high. or this oil already have high silicon content?

My coolant is fine I check it every-other week and the level doesn't change.
this time around Potassium is 12 compared to 21, which was in May of 2009.
So I have no idea why its so much its kind of weird.


I dont know maybe this Amsoil 0W30 VOA has that much of silicon as part of conditioner?

Does anybody have a VOA of this oil so I can compare?


This is interesting, thanks for posting this UOA.

The Toyota 1.8L 2ZZGE engine is one of the engines that Amsoil flagged as being prone to sludge issues with extended drain intervals; which prompted them in pulling the EaO9 and 10 oil filters off the market.

Question: What’s the owners manual list for normal and severe duty oil change intervals?

Keep us posted on this.

Maybe we can see what Amsoil is seeing?

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#1654940 - 11/01/09 11:19 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Gary Allan]
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Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 11
Loc: Seattle
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Did you have any work done to the engine at any point here? While the coolant indicators are in retreat, something is un-right (as others have said). It doesn't appear to be effecting normal wear patterns like we usually see, but is a bit unsettling none the less.

This surely warrants continued monitoring. I would probably be tempted to try some of the coolant tabs to see if the condition can be further reduced.


No, I haven't done anything to the engine. just drove as I always do my coolant level is consistent I dont see it being low at all for last 7k miles.

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#1654943 - 11/01/09 11:21 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: timeau]
Kortik Offline


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 11
Loc: Seattle
Originally Posted By: timeau
Kostia,
Make a $4 experiment. Buy a Subaru cooling system conditioner (in any Subaru dealership, small blue bottle) and pour it into coolant. It should stop getting coolant to oil. I had a same problem with my old Sentra and was able to fix it nicely.
Udachi! :-)


Spasibo, but I'll wait till the next oil test to find out if coolant gets into the engine. I don't see any evidence of it outside of engine. there is no smell when I check my oil dipstick or anything unusuall.

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#1654955 - 11/01/09 11:28 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: CompSyn]
Kortik Offline


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 11
Loc: Seattle
Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Originally Posted By: Kortik
My air filter is dirty I am using AEM dry flow filter and I haven't cleaned it for 10K miles that's probably why silicon is high. or this oil already have high silicon content?

My coolant is fine I check it every-other week and the level doesn't change.
this time around Potassium is 12 compared to 21, which was in May of 2009.
So I have no idea why its so much its kind of weird.


I dont know maybe this Amsoil 0W30 VOA has that much of silicon as part of conditioner?

Does anybody have a VOA of this oil so I can compare?


This is interesting, thanks for posting this UOA.

The Toyota 1.8L 2ZZGE engine is one of the engines that Amsoil flagged as being prone to sludge issues with extended drain intervals; which prompted them in pulling the EaO9 and 10 oil filters off the market.

Question: What’s the owners manual list for normal and severe duty oil change intervals?

Keep us posted on this.

Maybe we can see what Amsoil is seeing?


I am using Purolater Pure One PL14477 oil filter on my engine.
Owners manual says to use 5w30 and 5K miles interval oil changes.
I need to look up what they recommend for sever duty I dont have the manual right now with me.

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#1654978 - 11/02/09 12:00 AM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Kortik]
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Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39228
Loc: Pottstown, PA
Originally Posted By: Kortik
Originally Posted By: timeau
Kostia,
Make a $4 experiment. Buy a Subaru cooling system conditioner (in any Subaru dealership, small blue bottle) and pour it into coolant. It should stop getting coolant to oil. I had a same problem with my old Sentra and was able to fix it nicely.
Udachi! :-)


Spasibo, but I'll wait till the next oil test to find out if coolant gets into the engine. I don't see any evidence of it outside of engine. there is no smell when I check my oil dipstick or anything unusuall.


You need no visual indication to have this condition present. THIS engine showed no signs of losing coolant.
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#1656072 - 11/02/09 09:08 PM Re: Amsoil 0w30 SSO 7,400mi 05Toyota Matrix xrs 2zz-ge [Re: Gary Allan]
Kortik Offline


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 11
Loc: Seattle
ok I'll try that Subaru cooling system conditioner
but is it ok to use w/Red coolant that Toyota uses w/aluminum engine in general?


Edited by Kortik (11/02/09 09:08 PM)

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