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#164234 - 11/25/05 12:22 PM ENEOS oil....
xxxDOHC VTECxxx Offline


Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 17
Loc: so cali
So we started carrying a new line of oil at my work today, ENEOS is the brand name. The parent company is Nippon Oil Co., which is obviously japanese based. They do alot of work in F1 and are affilliated with the BAR Honda team. I said what they hey and purchased their product. Interestingly enough they only offer 2 weights. 0w-50 and 0w-20, so i went with the 0w-20. I run a 1.8l honda engine (duh) and previously had been running the Motul 300v 5w-30, but it burned too quickly for my taste, and i hadnt been doing any dyno pulls or racing lately, so it didnt make much sense to leave it in there. Anyone ever heard ANYTHING about this oil before though? I plan on doing a UOA at the end of a 3000 mile daily driving cycle at the end....

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#164235 - 11/25/05 04:14 PM Re: ENEOS oil....
Paranoil Offline


Registered: 03/21/05
Posts: 91
Loc: UK
Their website is www.eneos.co.jp/english/, but, as far as I can see, this doesn't give any data on the oils.

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#164236 - 11/25/05 06:05 PM Re: ENEOS oil....
HRD Offline


Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 55
Loc: Las Vegas/Tochigi
I do not have a lot of insight about the company, but here is what I do know. Nippon Oil used be called Nippon Mitsubishi Oil. Sometime in recent years they changed their name. They are one of the big OEM suppliers to the Japanese automakers in Japan. Idemitsu being another. (FYI, Idemitsu supplies Honda with the Honda branded oil in Japan, like Mobil does in the States)

It seems that Nippon Oil has just opened their first blending plant in the States. I found this article:
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000458381.cfm?x=b11,0,w

Yes Nippon Oil is a sponsor of the BAR-Honda team, using the Eneos name. They actually started as a technical partner on the Honda side of the team in 2000, but became a full sponsor in the 2004 season.

As far as the quality of their oils, I am sure they are quality oils. They are a major player, with a full range of oils available (at least in Japan). They are not a small boutique company by any stretch of the imagination. While in Japan I have used their gasoline, but never their oil.

If you have any virgin oil leftover, you could always send it in for a VOA to see what kind of additive package it started out with. [Smile]

Regards.

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#164237 - 11/25/05 06:08 PM Re: ENEOS oil....
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46694
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Yes a VOA could be interesting.

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#164238 - 11/28/05 09:27 AM Re: ENEOS oil....
xxxDOHC VTECxxx Offline


Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 17
Loc: so cali
Than a UOA i shall do! [Cheers!]

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#164239 - 02/20/06 10:57 AM Re: ENEOS oil....
Steve-O Offline


Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 32
Loc: Orange county, CA
You work at super autobacs, don't you! [Smile]

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#164240 - 02/21/06 08:11 AM Re: ENEOS oil....
AndyH Offline


Registered: 11/07/04
Posts: 2493
Loc: MSP 'burbs, MN
xxxDOHC VTECxxx: Not a UOA (although one of those would be interesting to see too)...but a VOA (virgin {i.e., unused oil} oil analysis).

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#164241 - 02/26/07 04:43 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: AndyH]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29205
Loc: NJ
I'm sure it's a good product, but I highly doubt they have any more technical know how than XOM, Lubrizol, Infineum, Shell, Hatco, Amsoil or Redline. Some of the best lubricants in the world are all from the U.S.
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#164242 - 02/26/07 06:37 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: buster]
LouDawg Offline


Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 1483
Loc: SW Indiana
I'm waiting for the Eneos Platinum Group III formulation...I heard PB will be carrying it at $1.99 after rebate. I heard the 5W-20 version will have a VI of 287, a PP of -120C, and a HTHS number of 1.4.

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#164243 - 02/26/07 07:11 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: LouDawg]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46694
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
I just realized this thread started in 2005!

No UOA yet? I'm sure this oil is all that, but Japan has, in the past, not been the center of lubricant perfection. At this time, it's "show us the money"....

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#164244 - 02/26/07 05:52 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Pablo]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Pep Boys will Never carry ENEOS - It is possible that small franchise autoparts store will pick up eneos 1-10 stores in the future but its not an item i want to see there. And the prices will not be less than MSRP 9.95-6.95 a quart

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#164245 - 02/26/07 07:10 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
LouDawg Offline


Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 1483
Loc: SW Indiana
Quote:

Pep Boys will Never carry ENEOS - It is possible that small franchise autoparts store will pick up eneos 1-10 stores in the future but its not an item i want to see there. And the prices will not be less than MSRP 9.95-6.95 a quart




It was a joke...humor.
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#164246 - 02/26/07 07:22 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Pablo]
PT1 Offline


Registered: 02/06/07
Posts: 5746
Loc: near the mistake
Quote:

I'm sure this oil is all that, but Japan has, in the past, not been the center of lubricant perfection. At this time, it's "show us the money"....




You aren't kidding....people keep forgetting that it too Toyota 40 years to "get it right" their first "Toyo Pet" cars imported in the 1950's were comeplete garbage. Don't forget the Datsun's of the 60's and 70's that would disintigrate if you drove them in the salted roads of Winter here. But everyone thinks everything Japanese is brilliant and high quality and built "with honor". Makes me laugh my #@$%! off.
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#164247 - 02/26/07 09:23 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: PT1]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
It only took 12 replies for the thread to veer to the dump, but the time to get there was great - 15 months.

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#164248 - 02/26/07 10:32 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: benjamming]
dailydriver Online   content


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Quote:

It only took 12 replies for the thread to veer to the dump, but the time to get there was great - 15 months.




Maybe so, but what do you expect when sooo many bashers on here will turn a thread that has NOTHING to do with GM/domestic build quality/problems into just that. ALL of you NEVER miss the chance to lambast GM/domestics and praise and your beloved Japan. Inc. EVERY/ANY chance you get. Expect the same from the "bashees", it's only fair.

BTW; PT1 is absolutely RIGHT on this (and I've said it since this whole country "turned Japanesea", just like the song ). NOT just the Tyopets, but even the early Coronas were TOTAL rustbucket p.o.s. disgraces, and a "dishonor" to "supreme" Japan, Inc. Funny how this country so conveniently "forgets" about that, huh? Much easier to remember/bring up Detroit's failures/bad times to the point of NEVER giving them another chance NO MATTER how much better their product may currently actually be than your beloved Nippon Giant's. I guess it's innate in our national character to forgive/forget other countries' failures OVER our own??
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#164249 - 02/27/07 12:24 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: benjamming]
Mokanic Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1563
Loc: North Carolina, USA
Quote:

It only took 12 replies for the thread to veer to the dump, but the time to get there was great - 15 months.




Yep, I told you the haters would come out to play! "Took Toyota 40 years to get it right..." Here we go again. From discussing motor oil to bashing Toyota.

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#164250 - 02/27/07 01:29 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Mokanic]
jonny-b Offline


Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1071
Loc: Norway
Japan(Toyota in particular)was the first country to use Total Quality Management in their industrial production(from the beginning of the seventies). They have since then, been developing this way of thinking. Because of this, they can react faster and more correct, when changes in demand occurs(demand for more reliable, fuel efficient cars and so on). In the US, the thinking that "Big is better, always", have been blocking new ideas in some ways. In Japan, the search for excellence(in the way that things should function the way they are intended to)have been colouring most their work. In the US, people are just happy if things are working OK. Another example regarding this, is Synlube, in the US. They have products that are most impressive. In Japan, they would have been a big oil-supplier for the car-industry, but in the US they are almost neglected. Quite amazing that I seem to be the first member of BITOG to be testing their product, even though I live in Europe. If you always only considder price, to be the only ting to look at, when purchasing a product, you can end up paying more than if you also were considdering quality.
Just some thoughts that I had. Did I understand it all wrong? I'd be glad to know.

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#164251 - 02/27/07 02:13 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: jonny-b]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46694
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Jeez guys I was NOT ragging on Japan. I was merely stating two things:

1) This oil is all talk and no numbers so far.
2) Japan does not have a rich history with perfect auto lubes. This could easily be pushed aside.

Sorry for skunking up a thread.

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#164252 - 02/27/07 02:29 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Pablo]
GMorg Offline


Registered: 01/29/06
Posts: 2332
Loc: Mizzou-land
Well if Pablo's strategy didn't work, I'll try something just little different. I don't care where the stuff is made. If it is great, prove it! If it is from Earth, then it is time to "show us the money".

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#164253 - 02/27/07 02:59 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: GMorg]
ssj4 Offline


Registered: 03/24/06
Posts: 316
Loc: MD
Quote:

Well if Pablo's strategy didn't work, I'll try something just little different. I don't care where the stuff is made. If it is great, prove it! If it is from Earth, then it is time to "show us the money".




Uhh ohh, I smell oil synthesized during Zero G shuttle flights. The first otherwordly oil anybody
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#164254 - 02/28/07 11:12 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ssj4]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
If any one is will to test the Eneos Lubricant just tell me where to send it. I have at least 6000 quarts in the warehouse
Im serious

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#164255 - 02/28/07 11:20 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
A sample to Terry Dyson in Texas would be perfect. He is a site sponsor. http://www.dysonanalysis.com/
Dyson Analysis
Attention: Terry
3679 CR 2184
Greenville, TX 75402
I'm sure he would be willing to test it. How much you planning on spending for the tests? Even just a simple VOA would be good.

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#164256 - 03/25/07 07:32 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: benjamming]
BobXRC Offline


Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 130
Loc: Washington St
By luck I stumbled acrossed eneos oil on Amazon.
Synth ATF (Dex/Mer) was over $11 a quart, sheeezzzzz

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#164257 - 03/25/07 07:55 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
ThirdeYe Offline


Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 7420
Loc: Walker, MI
Quote:

If any one is will to test the Eneos Lubricant just tell me where to send it. I have at least 6000 quarts in the warehouse
Im serious




Wow i'd definitely be willing to test it in my Integra I'm sure my Japanese motor would like the Japanese oil
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#164258 - 03/25/07 08:21 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
JohnBrowning Offline


Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 9448
Loc: USA
They make a good product and last I heard Toyota's made in Japan use their oil as factory fill. I can not recall if the OEM ENOEOS stuff was GII or GIII or both. The stuff I am familar with is very very clear like water when it pours out of the bottle but that was years ago.

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#164259 - 03/25/07 06:20 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: JohnBrowning]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
Before biting down on some specialy oil, one has to ask what it is they want or expect from it verses plain otc dino oil and then ask if reality is in-line with those expectations. My guess is no.

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#164260 - 03/25/07 06:39 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Auto-Union]
wgtoys Offline


Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 1240
Loc: California
If ENEOSNippon1 is serious I would be delighted to try Eneos in our Honda Accord and Acura TSX. For free test samples I would also commit to posing UOAs of the result.

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#164261 - 03/25/07 07:01 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: wgtoys]
ThirdeYe Offline


Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 7420
Loc: Walker, MI
I'm pretty sure by test he meant VOA's, but if he meant UOA's i'm game!
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#164262 - 03/25/07 07:30 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
unDummy Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 8756
Loc: RI
http://www.eneos.us/web/

ATF looks like a multivehicle product.

No UOA or VOAs yet?

Price will keep it limited. There are just too many good fluids that are cheaper out there.

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#164263 - 03/25/07 08:13 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: unDummy]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10468
Loc: Las Vegas NV
The Euro site has some spec's. I looked into the oil as I have a local supplier, but the costs are too high, and the only spec's that looked good to me where the 0W20. But I don't have a car that takes it. Oils tend to be on the thick side as well.

The high VI ATF does look interesting, but I don't think that it will do anymore than the lower priced Amsoil will.
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#164264 - 03/25/07 08:24 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Tempest]
98LSC32V Offline


Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 653
Loc: SF Bay Area
Here are the specs for the 0w-20, what do you guys think, especially compared to the Amsoil ASM 0w-20?

Typical Properties
Quality grade API SM
SAE viscosity grade 0W-20
Appearance Orange
Density (15°C), g/cm3 0.854
Flash point (COC), °C 230
Kinematic viscosity (40°C), mm2/s 41.5
(100°C), mm2/s 8.5
Viscosity index 199
Pour point, °C –45.0
TAN, mgKOH/g 2.4
TBN (HCl), mgKOH/g 5.1
Color (ASTM) L3.5
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#164265 - 03/25/07 10:10 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 98LSC32V]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
I'm still waiting on the test results that the distributor, ENEOSNippon1, was "serious" about before I open my wallet.

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#164266 - 03/26/07 12:42 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 98LSC32V]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10468
Loc: Las Vegas NV
The TBN's appear to be low on these oils as well. Unless they are using a different method than is used here.
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#164267 - 03/26/07 03:08 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Tempest]
98LSC32V Offline


Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 653
Loc: SF Bay Area
They are probably meant to be changed every 5k miles.
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#164268 - 04/03/07 11:15 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 98LSC32V]
RRocket Offline


Registered: 02/25/06
Posts: 9
Loc: Ontario, Canada
The Mitsu EVO, Subaru STi and Supra communities. Mynes Performance, an EVO tuning shop just recently had a dyno day where they changed your oil with ENEOS, and if you didn't make more HP on the dyno, you didn't have to pay. Most people made 6-9HP with TQ to match. Mynes shop/race car made 19RWHP. All run were done back to back. I may be trying it in my Supra next. A couple guys in the Supras club report smoother idling and running.

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#164269 - 04/03/07 11:59 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: RRocket]
98LSC32V Offline


Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 653
Loc: SF Bay Area
Quote:

The Mitsu EVO, Subaru STi and Supra communities. Mynes Performance, an EVO tuning shop just recently had a dyno day where they changed your oil with ENEOS, and if you didn't make more HP on the dyno, you didn't have to pay. Most people made 6-9HP with TQ to match. Mynes shop/race car made 19RWHP. All run were done back to back. I may be trying it in my Supra next. A couple guys in the Supras club report smoother idling and running.




What weight? 0w-50?
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#164270 - 04/03/07 07:41 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 98LSC32V]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
And also after the run with the ENEOS oil, was it changed & the baseline oil added with another run?

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#164271 - 04/03/07 10:12 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: RRocket]
outersquare Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 202
Loc: sokali
Quote:

The Mitsu EVO, Subaru STi and Supra communities. Mynes Performance, an EVO tuning shop just recently had a dyno day where they changed your oil with ENEOS, and if you didn't make more HP on the dyno, you didn't have to pay. Most people made 6-9HP with TQ to match. Mynes shop/race car made 19RWHP. All run were done back to back. I may be trying it in my Supra next. A couple guys in the Supras club report smoother idling and running.




20 WHP from differen oil? Come on. Otherwise link please.

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#164272 - 04/04/07 03:49 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: outersquare]
Patman Offline



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Posts: 19287
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The dyno operator must've been "in on it" because there are ways you can trick the dyno into showing higher numbers. There was a guy up here in Toronto who scammed a lot of people by putting a heater near the temperature sensor on the dyno, so the dyno sheet would show inflated numbers due to a higher correction factor. People had gotten their heads/cam packages from this guy and were amazed at the high rear wheel horsepower numbers he was getting. The numbers were 20-30 rwhp higher than they should've been.
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#164273 - 04/04/07 04:51 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Patman]
buster Offline


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Posts: 29205
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Only interesting thing about this 0w-20 to me is the VI of 199.
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#164274 - 04/04/07 05:07 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: outersquare]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
Quote:

Quote:

The Mitsu EVO, Subaru STi and Supra communities. Mynes Performance, an EVO tuning shop just recently had a dyno day where they changed your oil with ENEOS, and if you didn't make more HP on the dyno, you didn't have to pay. Most people made 6-9HP with TQ to match. Mynes shop/race car made 19RWHP. All run were done back to back. I may be trying it in my Supra next. A couple guys in the Supras club report smoother idling and running.




20 WHP from differen oil? Come on. Otherwise link please.



i was there that day, the entire day. ive seen all the dyno charts as well. i drove down just for that weekend, with an eneos representative, to be a part of this promotion. ive also been at other dyno pulls in las vegas where the 0w50, which is what mynes used as well, made big hp over very competetive oils. in fact, the worlds fastest streetable viper made over 50hp when he switched over to Eneos 0w50. and this is with the 0w50! if you have a n/a engine that doesnt require the 50w, you can make even more hp with the 0w20, which is what i personally run in my b16a that is fully built top to bottom.

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#164275 - 04/04/07 05:23 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
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What is the price of the 0w-20?
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#164276 - 04/04/07 02:10 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: buster]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19287
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
50hp from a different oil? ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Something is fishy there. Read my above post on how easy it is to trick the dyno into giving higher numbers.

You'd be lucky if a switch from a 10w60 oil to a 0w20 even gave you 10hp on that Viper, let alone 50. There is absolutely no way any oil is going to give it 50 more horsepower.
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#164277 - 04/04/07 03:33 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46694
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
COMPLETELY OT

I was looking at RABHonda's PROFILE

And I got a real chuckle.....he is never wrong. But he misspelled botanist.

Sorry. Carry on.

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#164278 - 04/04/07 03:54 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Pablo]
ThirdeYe Offline


Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 7420
Loc: Walker, MI
That was great.
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#164279 - 04/05/07 01:53 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Patman]
dailydriver Online   content


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Quote:

The dyno operator must've been "in on it" because there are ways you can trick the dyno into showing higher numbers. There was a guy up here in Toronto who scammed a lot of people by putting a heater near the temperature sensor on the dyno, so the dyno sheet would show inflated numbers due to a higher correction factor. People had gotten their heads/cam packages from this guy and were amazed at the high rear wheel horsepower numbers he was getting. The numbers were 20-30 rwhp higher than they should've been.




Was the head/cam package A.R.E.??
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#164280 - 04/05/07 06:44 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: dailydriver]
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Currently running their 5w20 in our '07 Pilot. So far (after 500+ miles), mileage is up a point, engine seems slightly smoother. Only time will tell if the OC can be extended as with the maintenance minder that this vehicle has, if it will have those calculating clicks move any slower than it did with the petroleum based lube in the crankcase...
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#164281 - 04/05/07 08:20 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: buster]
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I am game...and will test the oil following whatever criteria that they want. This oil may be very good and a potential sponser. Could well be a contender of the top tier oils Will report back findings to BITOG as this transpires. Welcome-Eneos!
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#164282 - 04/05/07 03:28 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: dailydriver]
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Quote:

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The dyno operator must've been "in on it" because there are ways you can trick the dyno into showing higher numbers. There was a guy up here in Toronto who scammed a lot of people by putting a heater near the temperature sensor on the dyno, so the dyno sheet would show inflated numbers due to a higher correction factor. People had gotten their heads/cam packages from this guy and were amazed at the high rear wheel horsepower numbers he was getting. The numbers were 20-30 rwhp higher than they should've been.




Was the head/cam package A.R.E.??




Yep! It was from ARE at the time when Nick sold the shop to Wade. A lot has happened since then though, and the shop is actually turning out some great stuff again, with no trickery and no substituting of cheap parts.

I have heard a lot of stories in the past where people paid big dollars for engines with high dollar parts in them, and later tore the motor down and found stock components in there!!
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#164283 - 04/07/07 04:26 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Patman]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
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50hp from a different oil? ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Something is fishy there. Read my above post on how easy it is to trick the dyno into giving higher numbers.

You'd be lucky if a switch from a 10w60 oil to a 0w20 even gave you 10hp on that Viper, let alone 50. There is absolutely no way any oil is going to give it 50 more horsepower.



so tell me exactly why oil can not allow an engine to become more effecient, which would translate into more powered being transferred into the drive train? i agree that oil can not make hp for an engine, you are absolutely correct. but, if one were willing to look in another direction, they could actually make sense of how it can happen. there are 3 key factors to an engine's ability to make hp, be it 100 or 1000hp. they are; volumetric, mechanical, and thermal effeciency. you can increase mechanical effeciency by reducing the amount of drag/friction that the internal parts create. this can be acheived 3 ways- reduce item weight, reduce contact patch, provide better lubrication. the first two ultimately lead to premature component failure if you have to work with a particular metal. but, it is fully possible to create or find a better lubricant that would allow less friction to be created between 2 surfaces. when this happens, the engine requires less power to turn its internals. voila, power is made by allowing the engine to deliver more, requiring less for itself (engine).

the msrp for 0w20 is $8.99.

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#164284 - 04/07/07 04:51 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
goodvibes Offline


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It's because there is very little metal to metal contact in the motor. The resistance is mostly squeezing the oil through tight places. It's why light weights give better mileage but not more peak power. Under load the difference becomes even smaller and a smaller % of the total besides. Your talking 10% more power against well formulated oils when you wouldn't see that much of a neg. diff from a correct visc non-additized peanut oil for a short run.

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#164285 - 04/07/07 06:56 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: goodvibes]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
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It's because there is very little metal to metal contact in the motor. The resistance is mostly squeezing the oil through tight places. It's why light weights give better mileage but not more peak power. Under load the difference becomes even smaller and a smaller % of the total besides. Your talking 10% more power against well formulated oils when you wouldn't see that much of a neg. diff from a correct visc non-additized peanut oil for a short run.



there is no other full synthetic on the market, which is what you are not understanding. dino oils are simple chains of molecules that get severed very easily under load, either from bearing surfaces or pressure within the oil pump. Eneos doesnt have that problem. it is comprised up of just single molecules, no chains, so no breaks. there are 2 very different molecules, one that expands with heat, and one that shrinks with heat. since these both balance out each other the oil remains stable under high load and cold weather.

here is a very simple test to determine if its a full synthetic or merely a blend- smell it. if it smells only like plastic, its a full synthetic. if it smells like oil, guess what?, it is oil. then dip a finger in both, and simply wipe away the excess. you will feel the eneos oil on your finger for quite some time, actually, quite longer than any other oil available to consumers.

but how can you dismiss these results if you were not a part of them, do not fully understand engines and how they make power, or simply have never tried, smelled, touched, or even seen a bottle of Eneos oil?
just a simple question with a simple answer. thank you.

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#164286 - 04/07/07 07:11 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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#164287 - 04/07/07 07:13 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: TimVipond]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
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rab, you must be kidding right?
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#164288 - 04/07/07 07:46 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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Those are some of the most amusing posts I've ever read about motor oil.

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#164289 - 04/07/07 09:46 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: JAG]
Johnny Offline


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Back in the old day we called that the bugger test. For those of you that have been around the oil industry for any length of time, you know what I'm talking about.

I will let my oil be tested in the lab not between my fingers, and if you smell plastic, your sniffing the bottle not the oil. I'm sure it's a great Group III synthetic, but it ain't magic.

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#164290 - 04/07/07 10:29 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Johnny]
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I think only their 5w-30 is group 3, the 0w-50 is group 5 I think...
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#164291 - 04/07/07 09:16 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Johnny]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
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Back in the old day we called that the bugger test. For those of you that have been around the oil industry for any length of time, you know what I'm talking about.

I will let my oil be tested in the lab not between my fingers, and if you smell plastic, your sniffing the bottle not the oil. I'm sure it's a great Group III synthetic, but it ain't magic.



the 0w50 is a full synthetic. in fact, you are so ignorant you cant even understand that you can determine if an oil is full synthetic or a blend by simply smelling them. a full synthetic is going to smell like plastic because it is very similiar to plastic. but buy a bottle of 0w50 and get a voa done on it. ill bet you both the price of the bottle and the cost of the test, along with any shipping fees, that it is a far better product than you are currently using.

for more basic engine information, try this link, http://www.f1technical.net/articles/4.

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#164292 - 04/07/07 09:31 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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Posts: 2493
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LOL, this thread is getting interesting. Gonna grab some and sit back and watch the fracas ensue.
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#164293 - 04/07/07 10:13 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: AndyH]
buster Offline


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Posts: 29205
Loc: NJ
rab why don't you provide us a VOA and base oil component? Is it ester based or PAO based? You can't tell by smelling it. Talk is cheap here.
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#164294 - 04/07/07 10:26 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: AndyH]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity_index
this should start you out.

http://www.eneos.us/web/0w-20.aspx
eneos 0w20 spec's

http://www.qpower.com/doc/PDS_Q%20Racing.pdf
qpower by shell 0w20 spec's. pay attention to the viscosity index.

http://www.eneos.us/web/0w-50.aspx
eneos 0w50 spec's

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_int..._syntec_usa.pdf
castrol syntec specs, but they dont gi e the VI.

http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/9.pdf
redline.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/asm.aspx
amsoil.

couldnt find data sheets on royal purple. but if you llok at the VI on all the charts, you will see that none are as good as eneos 0w20.

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#164295 - 04/07/07 10:35 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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http://www.eneos.us/web/0w-20.aspx


"1. Low Viscosity (0W-20)
ENEOS Motor Oil 0W20 is blended from high-performance hydrorefined base oils and an optimized additive blend, so it provides much better heat and oxidation stability than regular motor oils blended from solvent-refined base oils. Thanks to its innovative formulation, ENEOS Motor Oil 0W20 achieves a low viscosity of 0W-20, so it enables excellent fuel economy and environmental protection."

Sounds like a group 3 hydrocracked to me.
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#164296 - 04/07/07 10:52 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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Which method does Eneos use to determine VI? At least one of the Eneos oils are described as "hydrorefined base oils" which would be a group III. Could you tell us the base oils for each of their motor oils? They look like pretty good oils based on description and typical properties. Could you tell us what the recommended oil change intervals are and what the warranty is? Could you share a BBB report? Any direct comparisons with other American oils by name?
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#164297 - 04/07/07 11:34 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: TimVipond]
Blue99 Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 2233
Loc: Wisconsin
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here is a very simple test to determine if its a full synthetic or merely a blend- smell it. if it smells only like plastic, its a full synthetic. if it smells like oil, guess what?, it is oil.




It is my understanding that PAO base oils are chemically pure, that is "odorless".

In fact, both ChevronPhillips Chem and the ExxonMobil Chemical division describe their PAO base oils as "clear, colorless, odorless liquids.

Commonly, the additives in a motor oil formulation will impart an odor on the finsished product and this is what I assume you are referring to.

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#164298 - 04/07/07 11:58 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Blue99]
Blue99 Offline


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Posts: 2233
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Eneos doesnt have that problem. it is comprised up of just single molecules, no chains, so no breaks. there are 2 very different molecules, one that expands with heat, and one that shrinks with heat. since these both balance out each other the oil remains stable under high load and cold weather.




I think the description "single molecules, no chains" describes every synthetic base oil used in passenger car applications. Synthetic base oils are comprised of individual molecules.

The individual molecules consist of strings of hydrocarbon atoms connected in paraffinic or straight chain structure, as opposed to a round ring aromatic or naphthenic structure, and the molecular chain can be broken which has a shearing effect on the viscosity of the oil.

Also, this concept of a molecule that "shrinks with heat" is a new one to me.

I understand how a long, spidery, viscosity improver molecule will uncoil when exposed to heat and add about 2 cSt viscosity at 100C degrees to the base oil, but how does a synthetic fluid molecule decrease in size when exposed to heat?

The synthetic fluid will thin or loose viscosity with an increase in temperature, but the molecular structure is not changing.

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#164299 - 04/08/07 12:12 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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the 0w50 is a full synthetic. in fact, you are so ignorant you cant even understand that you can determine if an oil is full synthetic or a blend by simply smelling them. a full synthetic is going to smell like plastic because it is very similiar to plastic.




rabhonda, evidently BITOG is too stressful for you so I've given you a vacation from posting for a while. Send me a PM when you think you can play nice again and I'll turn your posting privileges back on. Calling a long time poster ignorant (who is retired from Pennzoil and has forgotten more about oil than you or I will probably ever know) is not playing nice.
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#164300 - 04/08/07 07:30 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: G-MAN]
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Update:

I have not been contacted yet on trying Eneos oil! has anyone else been contacted or received any oil from the Eneos Distributor in Nevada?
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#164301 - 04/08/07 07:32 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: LargeCarManX2]
ThirdeYe Offline


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Nope, but I guess he never specifically said he was going to give away free oil...
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#164302 - 04/08/07 10:14 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: TimVipond]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
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Which method does Eneos use to determine VI? At least one of the Eneos oils are described as "hydrorefined base oils" which would be a group III. Could you tell us the base oils for each of their motor oils? They look like pretty good oils based on description and typical properties. Could you tell us what the recommended oil change intervals are and what the warranty is? Could you share a BBB report? Any direct comparisons with other American oils by name?



in the eneos brochures they test their oil against castrol, redline, amsoil, and royal purple. nippon eneos regards castrol as one of the best oils on the american market, but their testing shows better gains with eneos oils. the first dyno event challenge ive been a part of was with Hondoctors at Leading Edge Performance on a dynojet dyno. the test vehicle was an Acura Integra with an 1.8 litre vtec turbo charged engine that baselined at 550 hp with castrol 5w20 in it. the castrol was fresh for the base runs. we then pulled the vehicle back, drained the castrol, then filled with eneos 0w50. the oil, air, and water temp were within .2d of the castrol runs. the barometer was very close as well. we then made 3 runs, each seeing both a hp and tq improvement, but the best run made 19 hp with 15 ft-lbs of torque. no changes were made to the ecu, or engine setup. i will try to get the dyno sheet up asap to support my claim.

and yes, this oil has had color and odor added to it. grab a bottle of mobil 1 and smell it. it smells like straight dino oil. i know, they added smell to theirs as well, but why would they make it smell like conventional oil? its a different, far superior product right? so why not differentiate it by giving it a better, non-natural smell?

i'd like to point out that in 2002 Shell Oil started to buyout Pennzoil. share holders dont usually sell a company if they feel they can compete in the market place without any additional expenditures. the goal is to keep operating costs low to maintain a high profit margin. so, i would speculate that pennzoil was sold because they had inferior technology in one or more aspects of the oil refining business and chose to sell to a more advanced company. and shell is a far more advanced oil company because they participate in motorsports that are more driven for advancement within the automotive community. America's prized motorsport is Nextel, where nothing from the race car finds its way into consumer level cars. just think, if it werent for Formula 1 we might not have abs, dependable fuel injection, the monocoque chassis, improved fuel effeciency, applied aerodynamics, or the hans device
(earnhardt sr could have used one). what has nextel given us? possibly a muscle car with the largest factory wing ever installed onto a producation car.

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#164303 - 04/08/07 10:25 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
"so, i would speculate that pennzoil was sold because they had inferior technology in one or more aspects of the oil refining business and chose to sell to a more advanced company."

If that's your speculation, you would be wrong.

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#164304 - 04/08/07 11:58 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
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Nope, but I guess he never specifically said he was going to give away free oil...




No, but ENEOSoil said on 03/01/07 01:12 PM
"If any one is will to test the Eneos Lubricant just tell me where to send it. I have at least 6000 quarts in the warehouse
Im serious"

Obviously ENEOS oil isn't too serious about there word. I gave him the address for Terry, but haven't heard anything about the testing yet.

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#164305 - 04/09/07 12:45 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: benjamming]
ThirdeYe Offline


Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 7420
Loc: Walker, MI
Yeah I know, that's what I was referring to but I don't think he was specific enough on the word "test" I don't know if he meant VOA, UOA, etc. Would be cool to try some though
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#164306 - 04/09/07 09:36 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
Z_ombie Offline


Registered: 12/10/06
Posts: 117
Loc: Arizona
Quote:

Quote:

Which method does Eneos use to determine VI? At least one of the Eneos oils are described as "hydrorefined base oils" which would be a group III. Could you tell us the base oils for each of their motor oils? They look like pretty good oils based on description and typical properties. Could you tell us what the recommended oil change intervals are and what the warranty is? Could you share a BBB report? Any direct comparisons with other American oils by name?



in the eneos brochures they test their oil against castrol, redline, amsoil, and royal purple. nippon eneos regards castrol as one of the best oils on the american market, but their testing shows better gains with eneos oils. the first dyno event challenge ive been a part of was with Hondoctors at Leading Edge Performance on a dynojet dyno. the test vehicle was an Acura Integra with an 1.8 litre vtec turbo charged engine that baselined at 550 hp with castrol 5w20 in it. the castrol was fresh for the base runs. we then pulled the vehicle back, drained the castrol, then filled with eneos 0w50. the oil, air, and water temp were within .2d of the castrol runs. the barometer was very close as well. we then made 3 runs, each seeing both a hp and tq improvement, but the best run made 19 hp with 15 ft-lbs of torque. no changes were made to the ecu, or engine setup. i will try to get the dyno sheet up asap to support my claim.

and yes, this oil has had color and odor added to it. grab a bottle of mobil 1 and smell it. it smells like straight dino oil. i know, they added smell to theirs as well, but why would they make it smell like conventional oil? its a different, far superior product right? so why not differentiate it by giving it a better, non-natural smell?

i'd like to point out that in 2002 Shell Oil started to buyout Pennzoil. share holders dont usually sell a company if they feel they can compete in the market place without any additional expenditures. the goal is to keep operating costs low to maintain a high profit margin. so, i would speculate that pennzoil was sold because they had inferior technology in one or more aspects of the oil refining business and chose to sell to a more advanced company. and shell is a far more advanced oil company because they participate in motorsports that are more driven for advancement within the automotive community. America's prized motorsport is Nextel, where nothing from the race car finds its way into consumer level cars. just think, if it werent for Formula 1 we might not have abs, dependable fuel injection, the monocoque chassis, improved fuel effeciency, applied aerodynamics, or the hans device
(earnhardt sr could have used one). what has nextel given us? possibly a muscle car with the largest factory wing ever installed onto a producation car.




May be a decent oil, but your claims are simply outrageous. I'd love to see you compare that oil in several tests against the big boys (Mobil 1, Amsoil, Redline, GC ect.) I bet the differences between Eneos and the competition would be minimal at best. You also say that it made a big gain over Castrol 5w-20, but thats a conventional oil, syntec was not mentioned. So your basing that Acura HP gain over conventional oil? Thats hardly a comparison, sounds like a good old M1 advertising trick, never comparing synthetic against synthetic, just why synthetic is better than conventional. And how you mention Nextel is funny, that is a company, a very large sponsor in the Nascar world, back when that Mopar with the "huge wing" was made, Nextel was no where to be seen in stock car racing. No doubt F1 cars have helped the automotive world, but so has every other type of racing in one way or another. You use poor comparisons and put downs of other companies and other racing events to make your topics/favorites superior. So far, you've done nothing but represent Eneos Oil in a bad light, for me at least.

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#164307 - 04/09/07 09:47 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Z_ombie]
ThirdeYe Offline


Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 7420
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I've never seen an Integra with 550HP, wow.
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#164308 - 04/10/07 11:56 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10468
Loc: Las Vegas NV
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that baselined at 550 hp with castrol 5w20 in it. the castrol was fresh for the base runs. we then pulled the vehicle back, drained the castrol, then filled with eneos 0w50. the oil, air, and water temp were within .2d of the castrol runs. the barometer was very close as well. we then made 3 runs, each seeing both a hp and tq improvement, but the best run made 19 hp with 15 ft-lbs of torque. no changes were made to the ecu, or engine setup. i will try to get the dyno sheet up asap to support my claim.




I go out of town for a couple of days and miss this...that'll teach me.

Care to explain how an 0W20 with a 100C ~8.5 cSt oil will generate LESS power than an 0W50 with a 100C cSt of 18?

And to the best of my knowledge, PAO and Esters do not get larger or smaller with heat, so there is nothing to "balance out". VII's (polymers) do expand and contract, however.
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#164309 - 04/11/07 10:14 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Tempest]
bones2380 Offline


Registered: 03/28/04
Posts: 3
Loc: Las Vegas
I just had 6 quarts of Eneos 0W20 in my Mazda 6. Well see how it goes.
Been trying out Amsoil 5W20 for the last 2 fills. Not a big fan of it. Didn't ride as well as Royal Purple.

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#164310 - 04/11/07 06:54 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: bones2380]
ccdhowell Offline


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Posts: 831
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I ordered 6 qts of 0w50 for my Land Rover Discovery. Haven't had great luck with thinner oils in this engine, wven though I've tried the thin route, down to 30wt anyways. Gonna go thicker, hope it works well, will sample, but won't be until fall.
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#164311 - 04/12/07 04:23 AM Eneos Oil [Re: ccdhowell]
rabhonda Offline


Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
so im tired of trying to communicate to this forum just how great this oil is, so here are a couple of links that will help you realize just how much better this oil is compared to EVERYTHING else on the market.



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#164312 - 04/12/07 04:44 AM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: rabhonda]
ssj4 Offline


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Posts: 316
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#@$%!, when trying to get info, I get a link to sexiest school girl ever and trying to navigate to get the sheets is not easy (if possible). If your oil is good, you better remove this #@$%! now.
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#164313 - 04/12/07 04:48 AM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: ssj4]
ssj4 Offline


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I must modify my above statement, you click the words which say DOWNLOAD..etc. (not apparent as a link). Still not much confidence gleaned from this hosting site.
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#164314 - 04/12/07 04:51 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rabhonda]
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Posts: 802
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Which method does Eneos use to determine VI? At least one of the Eneos oils are described as "hydrorefined base oils" which would be a group III. Could you tell us the base oils for each of their motor oils? They look like pretty good oils based on description and typical properties. Could you tell us what the recommended oil change intervals are and what the warranty is? Could you share a BBB report? Any direct comparisons with other American oils by name?



in the eneos brochures they test their oil against castrol, redline, amsoil, and royal purple. nippon eneos regards castrol as one of the best oils on the american market, but their testing shows better gains with eneos oils. the first dyno event challenge ive been a part of was with Hondoctors at Leading Edge Performance on a dynojet dyno. the test vehicle was an Acura Integra with an 1.8 litre vtec turbo charged engine that baselined at 550 hp with castrol 5w20 in it. the castrol was fresh for the base runs. we then pulled the vehicle back, drained the castrol, then filled with eneos 0w50. the oil, air, and water temp were within .2d of the castrol runs. the barometer was very close as well. we then made 3 runs, each seeing both a hp and tq improvement, but the best run made 19 hp with 15 ft-lbs of torque. no changes were made to the ecu, or engine setup. i will try to get the dyno sheet up asap to support my claim.

and yes, this oil has had color and odor added to it. grab a bottle of mobil 1 and smell it. it smells like straight dino oil. i know, they added smell to theirs as well, but why would they make it smell like conventional oil? its a different, far superior product right? so why not differentiate it by giving it a better, non-natural smell?

i'd like to point out that in 2002 Shell Oil started to buyout Pennzoil. share holders dont usually sell a company if they feel they can compete in the market place without any additional expenditures. the goal is to keep operating costs low to maintain a high profit margin. so, i would speculate that pennzoil was sold because they had inferior technology in one or more aspects of the oil refining business and chose to sell to a more advanced company. and shell is a far more advanced oil company because they participate in motorsports that are more driven for advancement within the automotive community. America's prized motorsport is Nextel, where nothing from the race car finds its way into consumer level cars. just think, if it werent for Formula 1 we might not have abs, dependable fuel injection, the monocoque chassis, improved fuel effeciency, applied aerodynamics, or the hans device
(earnhardt sr could have used one). what has nextel given us? possibly a muscle car with the largest factory wing ever installed onto a producation car.



Dyno testing oils are we?
Can you elaborate on your statement above for an old man. You said we had Castrol 5-20 in the car...ran it on the dyno....pulled it back and drained and refilled with Enos or whatever.....and the water/oil/air temps were within 2f. What did you pre heat the oil to refill? I can put on a buffalo head and striped jaguar britches...dance around the car and I gurantee there will be a variance in RWHP...without changing nothing nada zilch. So dont use dyno runs to prove a lubricant is better than another.
On the other hand...hey if you like that stuff by all means buy it up and use it. I like Cosworth oils myself. Dont care about no dyno proof as Cosworth has better sense than that

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#164315 - 04/12/07 04:58 AM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: rabhonda]
SargeGTO Offline


Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 802
Loc: Rio Grande Valley
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so im tired of trying to communicate to this forum just how great this oil is, so here are a couple of links that will help you realize just how much better this oil is compared to EVERYTHING else on the market.

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So if I buy me some of this Enos Super oil do all them lil girls come with it? Nice links pal.


Edited by Patman (04/12/07 05:02 AM)

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#164316 - 04/12/07 11:35 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: SargeGTO]
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Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
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Which method does Eneos use to determine VI? At least one of the Eneos oils are described as "hydrorefined base oils" which would be a group III. Could you tell us the base oils for each of their motor oils? They look like pretty good oils based on description and typical properties. Could you tell us what the recommended oil change intervals are and what the warranty is? Could you share a BBB report? Any direct comparisons with other American oils by name?



in the eneos brochures they test their oil against castrol, redline, amsoil, and royal purple. nippon eneos regards castrol as one of the best oils on the american market, but their testing shows better gains with eneos oils. the first dyno event challenge ive been a part of was with Hondoctors at Leading Edge Performance on a dynojet dyno. the test vehicle was an Acura Integra with an 1.8 litre vtec turbo charged engine that baselined at 550 hp with castrol 5w20 in it. the castrol was fresh for the base runs. we then pulled the vehicle back, drained the castrol, then filled with eneos 0w50. the oil, air, and water temp were within .2d of the castrol runs. the barometer was very close as well. we then made 3 runs, each seeing both a hp and tq improvement, but the best run made 19 hp with 15 ft-lbs of torque. no changes were made to the ecu, or engine setup. i will try to get the dyno sheet up asap to support my claim.

and yes, this oil has had color and odor added to it. grab a bottle of mobil 1 and smell it. it smells like straight dino oil. i know, they added smell to theirs as well, but why would they make it smell like conventional oil? its a different, far superior product right? so why not differentiate it by giving it a better, non-natural smell?

i'd like to point out that in 2002 Shell Oil started to buyout Pennzoil. share holders dont usually sell a company if they feel they can compete in the market place without any additional expenditures. the goal is to keep operating costs low to maintain a high profit margin. so, i would speculate that pennzoil was sold because they had inferior technology in one or more aspects of the oil refining business and chose to sell to a more advanced company. and shell is a far more advanced oil company because they participate in motorsports that are more driven for advancement within the automotive community. America's prized motorsport is Nextel, where nothing from the race car finds its way into consumer level cars. just think, if it werent for Formula 1 we might not have abs, dependable fuel injection, the monocoque chassis, improved fuel effeciency, applied aerodynamics, or the hans device
(earnhardt sr could have used one). what has nextel given us? possibly a muscle car with the largest factory wing ever installed onto a producation car.



Dyno testing oils are we?
Can you elaborate on your statement above for an old man. You said we had Castrol 5-20 in the car...ran it on the dyno....pulled it back and drained and refilled with Enos or whatever.....and the water/oil/air temps were within 2f. What did you pre heat the oil to refill? I can put on a buffalo head and striped jaguar britches...dance around the car and I gurantee there will be a variance in RWHP...without changing nothing nada zilch. So dont use dyno runs to prove a lubricant is better than another.
On the other hand...hey if you like that stuff by all means buy it up and use it. I like Cosworth oils myself. Dont care about no dyno proof as Cosworth has better sense than that




That was pretty good Sarge!!

The sad thing is that the Cossie oil is no more.
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#164317 - 04/13/07 12:32 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: dailydriver]
SargeGTO Offline


Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 802
Loc: Rio Grande Valley
I got a boatload of Cosworth. lemme see...I got about 24 quarts of 10-40 Cosworth. And of course I'm now running PP 10-30. So I'll sell it cheap PM me. Great oil though.
Yup these fellas putting faith in dyno testing a product ( oil/Tornado's/Zmax/KN Air Filters) need to come spend a week with ol Sarge......they will never believe that dyno hype again. Ever

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#164318 - 04/15/07 03:04 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: LargeCarManX2]
LargeCarManX2 Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 2279
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Update:

I have not been contacted yet on trying Eneos oil! has anyone else been contacted or received any oil from the Eneos Distributor in Nevada?




I still have not heard anything
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#164319 - 04/15/07 07:18 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: buster]
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
Loc: Millbrae, CA
""the worlds fastest streetable viper made over 50hp when he switched over to Eneos 0w50. and this is with the 0w50!""

Thats like 10% PROVE it never can happen
dyno error
bruce

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#164320 - 04/15/07 07:21 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: bruce381]
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
Loc: Millbrae, CA
make it simple show dyno data with oil at exact same temp and all other temps and flow rates same.
engine does not have tat much internal friction to riase hp 50.
bruce

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#164321 - 04/15/07 08:18 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: bruce381]
BobXRC Offline


Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 130
Loc: Washington St
I got suckered once on dyno claims for plugs

I'm with Bruce.

BTW, drop in a cup of snake oil solvent, watch the HP climb

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#164322 - 04/15/07 09:07 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: BobXRC]
rsylvstr Offline


Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 1757
Loc: Oneida County, NY
anything yet?

ENEOSNippon1 is (was?) a $100 site supporter, makes promises, then vanishes....

hmmmmm....maybe the Amsoil guys wacked him?
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#164323 - 04/16/07 01:45 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: rsylvstr]
Dad2leia Offline


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Posts: 1192
Loc: Glenshaw, PA

If you are interested in trying some (now granted, you have to purchase it) I got mine from Hybrid Performance, based in FL. They sound like a great bunch of guys.

By the way, my oil minder has indeed slowed down from regular petroleum in the clicks, so maybe there is something to this oil after all, if for anything a well put together synthetic. Just MHO.
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#164324 - 04/18/07 01:14 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Dad2leia]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
Oil minder? in what?

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#164325 - 04/19/07 01:04 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: benjamming]
Dad2leia Offline


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Posts: 1192
Loc: Glenshaw, PA
A 2007 Honda Pilot. The book says that it can go 10K miles on regular petroleum. I say I don't think so and change the oil between 5 and 6K miles. Now I might get longer with the Eneos, but only my 100 mile/day trips will tell in time (and no much of it, sadly!)
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#164326 - 04/20/07 06:19 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Dad2leia]
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#164327 - 04/20/07 07:15 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: buster]
jerseygeorge Offline


Registered: 10/15/06
Posts: 29
Loc: NJ, USA
I hope so....if he's a Botanist as he claims and went to college he sure can't spell

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#164328 - 04/24/07 02:45 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: jerseygeorge]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Hey sorrry guys for the vacation.. A few site sponsors didn't like the information i was posting...
(Some people are very set in there ways)

Did you guys know? A majority of Mazda-Cosworth Formula Atlantic cars have switched to ENEOS Oh Ya Cosworth Re-certifed ENEOS Ow-50 for use in their Engines and was the prefered lubricant over M1 0w-40
Peace:)

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#164329 - 04/24/07 03:14 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
They put me on lock down and just let me out $125.00 Bail or How you say Site Support Fee?

Heres ENEOS'S Monthly Newsletter
http://www.eneos.us/documents/newsletter031407.pdf

ENEOS is proud to pick up Chris Rado as a sponsored racing team!!! His Scion tC Time attack car gained over 40+ Hp when switching from an exclusive Valvoline product to ENEOS 0w-50!!
Press Release Link: http://www.world-racing.com/releases_html/020707eneos.doc

Peace:)

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#164330 - 04/24/07 03:23 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Can anyone name 3 different Friction modifiers used in todays IV/V Synthetics?

Peace:)

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#164331 - 04/24/07 03:24 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
Tempest Offline


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Posts: 10468
Loc: Las Vegas NV
"Heres ENEOS'S Monthly Newsletter:"
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This gruling event requires motor oil that can protect cars even if they're up side down!




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His Scion tC Time attack car gained over 40+ Hp when switching from an exclusive Valvoline product to ENEOS 0w-50!!



People are going to be asking for some serious documentation when claims like this are made. And what was the viscosity of the Valvoline product?
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#164332 - 04/24/07 03:26 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29205
Loc: NJ
ENEOS, this site tries to cut through the marketing B/S that ALL the oil companies provide so it's important to just try and stick to the facts. The Amsoil reps on here are professional and know a lot about oil. Despite Amsoil being a cult product among many, on here it's discussed in a more realistic manner.

I see Eneos is heavily involved in racing. In my talks with the Mobil rep I know, that is what got Mobil 1 to really take off around 1983. Racing is great advertising and the best test bed I can think of.

I still don't believe the hp figures you stated. It's not possible from just oil. Not even close. Don't take it personally but I find it hard to believe.

Question for you, who/where does Eneos buy their additives from being there are only a few suppliers worldwide? Do they make their own base oils?

I'm sure it's a very high quality product from the racing endorsements it has received.
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#164333 - 04/24/07 04:05 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: buster]
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Posts: 7420
Loc: Walker, MI
ENEOSNippon1 - Are you still interested in having people test the oil? If so, i'd love to try some in my Acura.
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#164334 - 04/24/07 05:38 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
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Registered: 12/30/05
Posts: 831
Loc: Shreveport, Louisiana
ENEOS, aside from the claimed horsepower increases, how does Eneos 0w50 protect an engine for an OCI of say 6 - 7,000 miles? Meaning, does it have the correct formulation to last that long or longer? I just bought 12 quarts and put 6 of them in my Land Rover 4.0L V8. Hope it works as well as you claim. By the way, the butt dino doesn't register any added HP.

Now about those freebie quarts. I've bought the product so hows about sliding me enough for another OCI so I can run it again after I drain it again in the fall? Or pay for a Dyson Analysis of my oil so we can all see what a "great" product it is.
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#164335 - 04/24/07 05:42 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Nippon manufactures all of their base stock used in the ENEOS line of lubricants.. Originaly Nippon was a technology only company which means they developed tech for esso itsu exxon mobil, now they own and are developing there own fields and exploratatory companys (NOEX). As well as blending and RnD facilities.. For example The new alabama facility is the most high tech blending plant in the world... It is the only facility that can blend toyotas new generation of ATF.. No other company in the world could even supply or buy the quantitys of high end base stock used
Peace

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#164336 - 04/24/07 09:18 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
Loc: Millbrae, CA
Quote:

They put me on lock down and just let me out $125.00 Bail or How you say Site Support Fee?

Heres ENEOS'S Monthly Newsletter
http://www.eneos.us/documents/newsletter031407.pdf

ENEOS is proud to pick up Chris Rado as a sponsored racing team!!! His Scion tC Time attack car gained over 40+ Hp when switching from an exclusive Valvoline product to ENEOS 0w-50!!
Press Release Link: http://www.world-racing.com/releases_html/020707eneos.doc

Peace:)





yeah peace man BUT where anywhere does this link show anything about 40HP love to see a dyno sheet without that it is all #@$%!.

peace man
bruce

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#164337 - 04/24/07 01:10 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: bruce381]
jonny-b Offline


Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1071
Loc: Norway
Has anyone that use Eneo's oil, noticed any changes in how their car performs, or any reduction in fuelconsumption. Since most people seem to know that dyno-testing isn't proof, what criterias should those who want to test it, use? Maybe they should find out how it taste, compared to other oils? UOA isn't so much more reliable than a dyno-test, so this should also be excluded.

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#164338 - 04/24/07 01:40 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: jonny-b]
Steelhead Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 875
Loc: Washington
and I thought $6 a qt Mobil 1 Grp??? was overpriced, hyped with pseudo science and half truths

it's Havoline/Chevron mineral oil or Redline for my rigs depending on app.

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#164339 - 04/24/07 02:28 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: jonny-b]
Dad2leia Offline


Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 1192
Loc: Glenshaw, PA
I've had their 5w20 in my crankcase now for over 2K miles. So far, a smooth valvetrain, a couple of clicks (meaning tenths) at the pump, smooth and free revving engine, and the oil minder seems to have slowed a tad, as with this mileage with regulation petroleum it was at 60%, and I'm still at 70% life now. Of course, colder temps with the petroleum might play into that, and since this is my first OCI with Eneos, I do plan to change it out sooner, then start the real data comparison to see if it is a great oil with some potential.

I just wish that their site would give more information on the figures themselves. They don't have that for 5w20.
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#164340 - 04/24/07 06:06 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Dad2leia]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


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Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Hmm Let me see if i can find the Cosworth Report. They have done extensive testing of the product, before making the switch from M1 in there racing engines.. They even tore down several engines for examination of wear of the big end bearings, main bearings, piston ring fiction,Piston side load scoring, Cam lobes and bearings, tappet bucket condition, they also peformed pre and post oil analysis, Infared spectrum analysis.. The ENEOS 0w-50 is the only lubricant cosworth had tested that after the test that had little or no sign of additive depletion and no sign of oxidation, Also Eneos 0w-50 refrenced to M1 0w-40 (european car formula) is the only lubricant that allowed items such as the cam, and cylinder head being fine for reuse with out the requirement for rework!!!! That says a lot
Peace:)

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#164341 - 04/24/07 06:16 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
I will have to get approval to post the actual copy of the tests 2 reasons
1.the contents of the document are proprietary & confidential to cosworth ltd
2.Mobil is a big sponsor in the champ and alantic car series and if consumers actually saw a side by side comparison it would not be good!!!! for any one
Also the 0w-40 M1 it was compared to is the Eurpean car formula which is superior to the blend of M1 that gets stuffed down our dumb american throats in n. america
Peace:)

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#164342 - 04/24/07 07:18 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
You know, all of the 0W50 info is very interesting and though I have a hard time with the 40 HP increase claimed, I do not have a problem with them saying it shows better wear numbers. But I must be honest here, I really do not care. Why, because 95% of use do not own anything that uses 0W50 oil. We all drive real cars that require either 5W20 or 5W30.

All this talk about their new plant making the best is great but they are not making 0W50 for all the new Toyota, Honda, Nissan, or Hyundi's. And, since this is North America, I should add Ford, GM, and Chrysler. They are making 5W20 and 5W30. Will these weights give us 40 HP, "NO", will they give us 5 HP, "NO", will they give us better wear numbers in 5K, 7K, or 10K, who knows, we have not seen any testing.

If their marketing scheme is to pound into our heads how much better their 0W50 is than Mobil 1 0W40 then they are missing the boat. Real test with real cars is whats needed.

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#164343 - 04/24/07 07:23 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
90crvtec Offline


Registered: 12/05/06
Posts: 66
Loc: Kansas City
Quote:

Also the 0w-40 M1 it was compared to is the Eurpean car formula which is superior to the blend of M1 that gets stuffed down our dumb american throats in n. america
Peace:)



You just called your customer base dumb. I'm gonna stick with Pennzoil Platinum. Peace.

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#164344 - 04/24/07 07:29 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Johnny]
unDummy Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 8756
Loc: RI
Eneos, in one thread, claimed to be a sponsor and was warned for it.

We get lots of infomercials here. Its just best to ignore them.

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#164345 - 04/24/07 08:58 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: unDummy]
Blue99 Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 2233
Loc: Wisconsin
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Nippon manufactures all of their base stock used in the ENEOS line of lubricants.. [snip]...No other company in the world could even supply or buy the quantitys of high end base stock used





Okay, now I'm confused.

Google indicates that Nippon Oil Refining, Ltd. operates several refineries in Japan. While the largest output is no doubt gasoline, some feedstocks are no doubt produced for the production of group II & III base stocks by a lube oil hydro-cracker.

Also, full synthetic oils are produced by chemical processes in chemical factories.



So what are we actually talking about?

- Eneos motor oil is at best a Grp III synthetic from refinery base oils?

- Eneos motor oil does include full synthetic (Grp IV or Grp V) base stocks that are purchased outside of the Nippon oil conglomerate?

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#164346 - 04/24/07 09:50 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Blue99]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
All stocks used in the ENEOS line are made by Nippon or a sub. Some of the OEM II/III stocks are purchased through other suppliers i assume.. All of the ENEOS Lubricants are made only in one facility in japan..

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#164347 - 04/24/07 09:57 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29205
Loc: NJ
So the full synthetics are ester based correct?
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#164348 - 04/24/07 10:00 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5681
Loc: northern Alabama
Quote:

For example The new alabama facility is the most high tech blending plant in the world... It is the only facility that can blend toyotas new generation of ATF.. No other company in the world could even supply or buy the quantitys of high end base stock used
Peace




What?

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#164349 - 04/24/07 10:39 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: benjamming]
jonny-b Offline


Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1071
Loc: Norway
I think it is a bit early to claim he is trolling. If he isn't allowed to post the report, because Mobil1 is a big sponsor, then he cannot do a thing about it.
90crvtec, he also included himself, when he called north Americans dumb. I do think that he mean that north Americans are easily mislead, by the big oil companies and the car industry. Also, car mechanics are not well educated in developments in lubrication. I don't think they have even one hour of it, during their education. Correct me if I am wrong.

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#164350 - 04/24/07 10:56 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Johnny]
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 653
Loc: SF Bay Area
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Why, because 95% of use do not own anything that uses 0W50 oil. We all drive real cars that require either 5W20 or 5W30.





I agree 50 weight oil is too thick for 95% of the cars out there. The lash adjusters in a lot of DOHC engines will work poorly with that thick of an oil and can cause oil pressure issues.
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#164351 - 04/24/07 11:06 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: jonny-b]
90crvtec Offline


Registered: 12/05/06
Posts: 66
Loc: Kansas City
Quote:

90crvtec, he also included himself, when he called north Americans dumb. I do think that he mean that north Americans are easily mislead, by the big oil companies and the car industry.



Conversely, some guy who wants to throw $100 at this site and make wild claims about ENEOS oil sounds misleading to me. I'm not claiming he's a troll but until he can back up his product with tests on REAL cars I'm going to remain skeptical at best. Seeing his responses to most of these posts he has yet to provide any hard evidence that ENEOS is a better oil, most of it is just marketing drivel, just like M1 or Castrol, or anybody else. How about some ENEOS tests similar to what Amsoil did with their oils?

I'd like to see ENEOS run a battery of tests on many different competing oils of the same weight. UOAs of this oil from various different cars would also help us figure out if it's the real deal.

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#164352 - 04/24/07 11:26 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 90crvtec]
Steelhead Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
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Loc: Washington
i just love companies that hide behind proprietary rights claims and smoke

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ENEOS and the Japanese using w40 and w50 in their small 4 cyl Hondas and Yota's

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#164353 - 04/24/07 11:33 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Steelhead]
Steelhead Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 875
Loc: Washington
i just love companies that hide behind proprietary rights claims and smoke

Mobil1

ENEOS and the Japanese using w40 and w50 in their small 4 cyl Hondas and Yota's

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#164354 - 04/25/07 01:16 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Steelhead]
sprintman Offline


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Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
"I agree 50 weight oil is too thick for 95% of the cars out there. The lash adjusters in a lot of DOHC engines will work poorly with that thick of an oil and can cause oil pressure issues." Show me the data. In G0d I trust, all others send data. Before you do remember my Mazda has passed 250,000kms and ran 25W70 for many years. Never had the head off.

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#164355 - 04/25/07 02:26 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: sprintman]
Dad2leia Offline


Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 1192
Loc: Glenshaw, PA
On that sidenote Sprintman, other than fuel economy issues, bearing clearance issues, what possible harm could come from running thicker oil, particularly in the heat of summer crusing 80 mph on the highway on vacation?

I used to own a '91 SL2 Saturn, and I tried Amsoil's 60 weight racing oil a few times for the heck of it. Fuel economy didn't suffer THAT much. The oil pressure was the big one, it stayed pretty strong, even when warmed up good.
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#164356 - 04/25/07 04:54 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: sprintman]
98LSC32V Offline


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Loc: SF Bay Area
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"I agree 50 weight oil is too thick for 95% of the cars out there. The lash adjusters in a lot of DOHC engines will work poorly with that thick of an oil and can cause oil pressure issues." Show me the data. In G0d I trust, all others send data. Before you do remember my Mazda has passed 250,000kms and ran 25W70 for many years. Never had the head off.




Why do you think 5w-20 or 5w-30 are recommended for most modern DOHC engines? It's not just for best fuel mileage, the valvetrain in most of these motors work best with thin oils.
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#164357 - 04/25/07 06:19 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 98LSC32V]
sprintman Offline


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Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
You missed the point. 5W20 is in U.S only. You have CAFE, we don't. I know of two xW20 here, Redline and Fuchs Titan GT1. Neither are commercially available. 10W30 is available in a few places. 50W are everywhere. 40W may have taken over from 50W as most popular but it' sa close decision.

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#164358 - 04/25/07 07:15 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: sprintman]
98LSC32V Offline


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Loc: SF Bay Area
Like I said it's not just for CAFE reasons that we have 20 and 30 weight oils recommended. I'm not sure why Australia uses 40 weight and 50 weight oils in most cars but the US was using those oils decades ago and has moved on. Theres absolutely no reason for any daily commuter vehicle to use such heavy weight oils.
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#164359 - 04/25/07 06:06 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: 98LSC32V]
uconn1150 Offline


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Posts: 694
Loc: Texas
Surely if 70w or even 50w oil would damage engines, the Aussies wouldn't be using it. Believe it or not, Ford Australia produces much better products there than Ford USA does here.
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#164360 - 04/25/07 09:05 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: uconn1150]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
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Also the 0w-40 M1 it was compared to is the Eurpean car formula which is superior to the blend of M1 that gets stuffed down our dumb american throats in n. america

I didn't mean to say americans are dumb , just very mis-led
Only in america can oil that contains 0% synthetic product be called synthetic, Synthetic has now been deemed a marketing term and in no way declares the product is or contains synthetic's.
Also just because a pruducts #'s look good on paper IS NO INDICATION THAT PRODUCT WORKS WELL IN AN ENGINE

Im not here to say ENEOS is the best in the world
But i can assure you it is not in the same class as M1,AMS. and RL

And for the people who don't think that you can make 50hp on a 1650 HP engine - Viper

or

40HP on a 1400hp Scion tC drag motor

Please do some math that is less that a 3% gain in HP and torque - That is not very uncommon when upgrading from a false full synthetic to a 100% full synthetic product

Most of the products you are trying to compare ENEOS to are based on technology from 5-10-15 years ago
ENEOS is based on 2006 technology and Nippon Oil Corperation is the leader in Petro technology.
The ENEOS 0w-50 is so advanced you will not see anything like it by any other company for 3-4 years
NO OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD HAS THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE MEANS TO PRODUCE 0w-50 PERIOD....
Nippon has the technology to produce 0w-70 today!!
Which is run on a daily basis in F1 and is factory fill for the ENZO Ferrari 110.00 a quart

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#164361 - 04/25/07 09:20 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Have you paid the site sponsor dues and where is your sponsor Icon?

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#164362 - 04/25/07 09:23 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10468
Loc: Las Vegas NV
Quote:

Im not here to say ENEOS is the best in the world
But i can assure you it is not in the same class as M1,AMS. and RL



Actually, you kinda' are saying that.

Quote:

The ENEOS 0w-50 is so advanced you will not see anything like it by any other company for 3-4 years




We are looking for technical information as to why. Not marketing. Base stock types, additives...WHAT is this new 2006 tech that no one else has?
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#164363 - 04/25/07 09:29 PM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Tempest]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20764
Loc: Colorado Springs
Is Eneos 100% ester based oil like Redline? Yes or no? And prove it.

Sure sounds like group III from the product info wording, which makes all your rants about how "synthetic" oils in the US aren't synthetic, well, laughably ironic and quite telling about a lack of knwoledge about motor oil composition.

You do know that Ferarri fills their engines with quote en quote "non synthetic" group III oil at the factory, don't yea???

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#164364 - 04/25/07 09:31 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: ssj4]
Drew99GT Offline


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Posts: 20764
Loc: Colorado Springs
As mike1gaz posted, "high-performance hydrorefined base oils".

Could we get an MSDS?

"ENEOS Motor Oil 5W30 is blended from high-performance base oils"

That's Mobil 1 type wording!

Also, the TBNs are low, so extended drains would not be a wise idea with these oils.


Edited by Drew99GT (04/25/07 09:35 PM)

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#164365 - 04/25/07 10:22 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: Drew99GT]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29205
Loc: NJ
Once again, I do what I always do, I called the source. I spoke to a very nice Japanese fellow. Here is the deal, the 0w-50 is a very special oil in the sense that it is a 100% PAO/Ester blend based oil. It is the oil found in Honda's F1 team. That is a fact. I did not get the %'s of base oils, nor will anyone else. That info will always be proprietary so forget it.

*The 0w-20 is a Grp II/III mix. I believe he said the others are as well. To produce a majority ester based oil is very expensive and not necessary for daily drivers according the guy I spoke with. True. However, the additive technology they use in the other oils is state of the art according to him.

The guy was very nice and straight forward. They prefer people to run the oils and see the difference for themselves. That makes sense. Obviously the marketing teams have to give the dealer's "some" data to make sales pitches against the competition.

Look for a big website upgrade in about 1 month.

They are a very real competitor that will remain a boutique oil. They have no desire to be on teh shelf at Walmart. They will appeal to the high performance crowd.
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#164366 - 04/25/07 10:28 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: buster]
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Registered: 12/30/05
Posts: 831
Loc: Shreveport, Louisiana
Well there you have it, thanks buster. I thought the 0w50 had to be Grp IV or V with that viscosity range. Now I feel better running it. Thanks for doing the leg work.
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#164367 - 04/25/07 10:57 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: buster]
Tempest Offline


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Buster: I don't suppose you asked him about the TBN and drain intervals did you?

Grp II & III is not all that impressive on the 0W20.
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#164368 - 04/25/07 11:24 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: Tempest]
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
Loc: Millbrae, CA
"""And for the people who don't think that you can make 50hp on a 1650 HP engine - Viper"""

you never quoted base HP but a 2-3% gain I would think is perfectly in range and I would not argue it, However 50hp on a base of 500 which is what I thought a Viper was/is would be out of range and NOT do-able.

But then again what is the repeatbility of a engine dyno???
is 2-3% if so then a plus or minus of 50HP would be a normal
variance and as such the gain quoted would not be above the tolorence and NOT valid.

bruce

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#164369 - 04/25/07 11:26 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: bruce381]
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3324
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""NO OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD HAS THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE MEANS TO PRODUCE 0w-50 PERIOD....""

""Nippon has the technology to produce 0w-70 today!!""


Oh and by the way ALL the majors even I can make a full PAO/ESTER 0/50 or even a 0/70 PCMO not hard but exspensive and IMHO no market for it.

bruce

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#164370 - 04/25/07 11:31 PM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: bruce381]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19287
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
Quote:

""NO OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD HAS THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE MEANS TO PRODUCE 0w-50 PERIOD....""

""Nippon has the technology to produce 0w-70 today!!""


Oh and by the way ALL the majors even I can make a full PAO/ESTER 0/50 or even a 0/70 PCMO not hard but exspensive and IMHO no market for it.

bruce





Bruce makes an excellent point, not only is there really no market for a 0w50 oil, there is most definitely no market for a 0w70!
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#164371 - 04/26/07 12:27 AM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: buster]
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They are a very real competitor that will remain a boutique oil. They have no desire to be on teh shelf at Walmart. They will appeal to the high performance crowd.




If you look at any of their ads in the "import tuner" rags, they seem like they really want to go after the top performance oriented (Motul 300V, Torco SR5, RL, Neo, etc.) "boutiques".
BTW; I only flip through these publications while at Barnes & Noble, mostly for the pics of hot Asian chicks contained within.
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#164372 - 04/26/07 01:12 AM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: dailydriver]
Mokanic Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1563
Loc: North Carolina, USA
Quote:

Quote:

They are a very real competitor that will remain a boutique oil. They have no desire to be on teh shelf at Walmart. They will appeal to the high performance crowd.




If you look at any of their ads in the "import tuner" rags, they seem like they really want to go after the top performance oriented (Motul 300V, Torco SR5, RL, Neo, etc.) "boutiques".
BTW; I only flip through these publications while at Barnes & Noble, mostly for the pics of hot Asian chicks contained within.




That's a lie and you know it. You've been sneaking those mags in the customer restrooms and indulging yourself as you look at the new Tundra! Man for peat sakes come out of the closet and admit the Tundra turns you on!

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#164373 - 04/26/07 01:24 AM Re: Eneos Oil [Re: Mokanic]
sprintman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
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Iknow people who would run a 0W70. The ENEOS 0W50 is the oil I want for summer use. A guy on the Mitsubishi Magna forum has ENEOS sponsorship so I'm hoping it's available here.

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#164374 - 04/26/07 02:05 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Pablo]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Sorry i used the wrong terminology I said Sponsor an i guess the correct term is supporter My Bad
Man u guys are tough for heaven's sake someone makes a mistake and you guys Eat em for breakfast

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#164375 - 04/26/07 02:08 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
SargeGTO Offline


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Posts: 802
Loc: Rio Grande Valley
Tell em you use Frams.

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#164376 - 04/26/07 02:19 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: SargeGTO]
ENEOSNippon1 Offline


Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Land of the Free
Im not here to pick a fight, just talk about some new cool oil..
Hmm I just recieved some new Efficency charts for the 5w-30(yes this is a blend - Great for engine break-in), and an NOX Bubling test, translated from japanese

Im not sure how to post it but i can email to someone who can:)
Peace

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#164377 - 04/26/07 02:21 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ENEOSNippon1]
SargeGTO Offline


Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 802
Loc: Rio Grande Valley
I'll post it for you...pm me....
I'll buy a quart or two of each of your oils. I'll send em off to Terry and we can all study the "soup" your marketing here. My treat. I'll pay for all. PM me and I'll post it up for you man.....

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#164378 - 04/26/07 02:50 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: SargeGTO]
ThirdeYe Offline


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Posts: 7420
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I'll post it for you...pm me....
I'll buy a quart or two of each of your oils. I'll send em off to Terry and we can all study the "soup" your marketing here. My treat. I'll pay for all. PM me and I'll post it up for you man.....



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#164379 - 04/26/07 03:01 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
Drew99GT Offline


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Imagine if someone tried to sell Tide this way...

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#164380 - 04/26/07 03:09 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Johnny]
Steve S Offline


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Posts: 18449
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"so, i would speculate that pennzoil was sold because they had inferior technology in one or more aspects of the oil refining business and chose to sell to a more advanced company."

If that's your speculation, you would be wrong.


Sold cuz you retired!!!
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#164381 - 04/26/07 03:12 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: SargeGTO]
Tempest Offline


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SargeGTO
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#164382 - 04/26/07 03:15 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Patman]
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
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50hp from a different oil? ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Something is fishy there. Read my above post on how easy it is to trick the dyno into giving higher numbers.

You'd be lucky if a switch from a 10w60 oil to a 0w20 even gave you 10hp on that Viper, let alone 50. There is absolutely no way any oil is going to give it 50 more horsepower.


Yes way Patman , they are talking metric horsepower.

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#164383 - 04/26/07 03:17 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: Tempest]
98LSC32V Offline


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Posts: 653
Loc: SF Bay Area
So all the oils except the 0w-50 are synthetic blends?
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#164384 - 04/26/07 03:18 AM Re: ENEOS oil.... [Re: ThirdeYe]
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
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I've never seen an Integra with 550HP, wow.


It is metric horsepower.
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