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#1489507 - 06/06/09 05:49 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: DeeAgeaux]
sneakboxer Offline


Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 52
Loc: Tennessee
No. i have a 04 civic auto w/75k and i have had no issues. This car gets 35 to 40 mpg and the build quality is good for an entry level car. My parents have always had GM's and they all had major issues. My father is a diesel mechanic with over 35 years of experience and tried to keep his vehicles in top condition. Over the years we have suspension failures, CV joints, engine mount failure, a/c, electrical issues all within 100k. The straw that broke their GM record was two wheel bearings within 45k on a 06 pontiac. I just recently talked them in to getting a 06 Tocoma. My dad loves it, saying that he should have listened to me sooner. I hate to see a US company fail but after 50bil i will never even consider a GM or mopar. I hope Ford can weather the storm, i might consider them but i have a few thousand miles / 10 years before i'll be replacing the Honda.
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#1489761 - 06/06/09 12:11 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: sneakboxer]
Loogie Offline


Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 122
Loc: Michigan
The only disappointment with my wife's CR-V is the cost of parts.
I replaced the pre-cat O2 sensor: the cost for the sensor (Denso)was $155. Most of the quotes for that part are well over $200 many are around $250.

I replaced the sensor in my Monte Carlo for $60 a few years ago.

The Honda air filters are pricey too--even the aftermarkets--compared to my car.

An interesting plus for the Honda is that it appears to be very easy on oil. The manual states 10k OCI is recommended for average driving, and I believe it based upon the condition of the oil at 6k.

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#1489787 - 06/06/09 01:24 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Huie83]
rjundi Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 6587
Loc: New England
I owned a 95 civic for 9yrs/225k and reliability was decent. Not trouble free but tranny/engine never opened except for clutch(bearing plate blew apart) and one timing belt. I only had cooling system problems at 140k and then again 210k.

However the greatest disappointment was how absolutely average and boring the car was. It was not terrible at anything(seat comfort maybe) but really did not excel at a single aspect except for fuel economy.

I still am tainted by it and would likely never buy a Honda/Acura product.

I will say my previous vehicle was a 1988 VW Jetta GLI 16v(GTI with trunk) and currently Subaru WRX wagon. So maybe its the boredom factor of Honda.
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#1489799 - 06/06/09 01:34 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Loogie]
rationull Offline


Registered: 04/28/07
Posts: 2666
Loc: California, USA
I've got an 07 Civic 2 door, and while I can't say I'm disappointed in the car, I don't feel like it quite lives up to all the hype. I mean, it's been fine: it gets good gas mileage, hasn't had any real problems, easy to maintain, drives, shifts, and handles nicely for what it is. It's got a good level of features for its class (exterior temp, sunroof, nice stereo, etc). Has plenty of power for an economy car. Can't really complain.

On the flip side, I've had two squeaky struts replaced under warranty (dealership service has been good in my experience). It's got a fair number of squeaks and rattles, which wouldn't be a problem if I didn't like to drive without the stereo on. The windows shake in the doors if you close the doors while they're rolled down. It burns a bit of oil. The engine/accessory sound has a semi-annoying whine/buzz to it. The engine has more noticeable vibration at idle than, say, my GF's Mazda3 (which admittedly idles higher and has balance shafts while the Civic's engine does not). The throttle's response to quick pedal position changes does not match previous cars I've had (with cable throttles) or the DBW throttle on the Mazda3. It certainly doesn't have any stand-out traits that make me think, "wow, this engine is amazing" despite what you hear so often about Honda engines.

Time will tell whether the Honda reputation for reliability will pay any dividends. I'm especially curious to see how the car holds up compared to the Mazda long term. At this point, as a "normal" driver with a relatively efficient commuter car, I have 0 complaints about the vehicle. As a car enthusiast with typical BITOG OCD, though, I can't say I feel like the vehicle is anything really exceptional (not that it's supposed to be-- it's just a commuter) or necessarily worth any premium in price. FWIW I feel like if I had shopped around better when I bought it instead of being in such a rush, I may have ended up with a different vehicle and a couple extra grand in the bank.

This specific car aside, I've got to say I really respect Honda as a company. In general I like their "in-house" approach to engineering, and while I may not like all their models, I respect their strategy of sticking with a limited line and trying to make each vehicle offer something unique (although it's been getting less limited as the years go by).

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#1489836 - 06/06/09 02:48 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: rationull]
MrCritical Offline


Registered: 08/04/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: La.
Tell your dad to keep an eye on that Tacoma frame. They have been known to rust in two.

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#1489844 - 06/06/09 03:01 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: cousincletus]
John_K Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 2310
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
 Originally Posted By: cousincletus
FWIW there are ads on the Columbus, OH radio stations for Honda assembly workers at a whopping pay rate of 10.50 per hour. With pay that bad, no wonder they are having quality issues. Also, they are the most expensive small cars out there. You don't get much for the money.


I work with someone whose husband works at Honda in Marysville. The only reason he gets more than that is, he has been there forever, can't miss a day, can't be late, can't screw up. Hardly overpaid.

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#1489903 - 06/06/09 04:38 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: rationull]
brianl703 Offline


Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 10487
Loc: Manassas, VA
 Originally Posted By: rationull
The windows shake in the doors if you close the doors while they're rolled down. It burns a bit of oil.


My Mustang does both of those. But it has a good excuse. It's 21 years old.

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#1489957 - 06/06/09 05:37 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: IndyIan]
Vizzy Offline


Registered: 04/26/09
Posts: 1183
Loc: Canada
 Originally Posted By: IndyIan
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I'm with you on the cars filled with chrap issue these days.
Probably the most reliable honda ever made rolled of the assembley line in the early 90's, a basic 5 spd manual Civic or Accord with no power anything.

Simple, efficient, fun transportation and the car handled well with the double A arm suspension and light weight.


Same here about the over complicated cars of today, especially the ones that are supposed to be inexpensive and basic.

I know you need a certain level of safety, but seriously we need to re-examine our DOT and EPA laws.

All this complication adds cost, complexity, decreases reliability, and makes the product much more expensive to maintain.

I'll GLADLY take that kind of Honda you're talking about (if they still made them brand new, or for that matter a 83 or 84 VW Rabbit GTI.

Simple, decent quality, reliable, pretty darn safe, and inexpensive to maintain and purchase. That's what I want.

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#1489981 - 06/06/09 06:20 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Vizzy]
Huie83 Offline


Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 216
Loc: Minnesota
I think a lot of you have hit the nail on the head. I didn't start this thread to bash Honda, they make OK cars.

I can see that some of you are die hard Honda fans, that's great, it's your choice. I at one time was very excited to get my first Honda.

What I was trying to get across is why I paid such a premium price for such an average (at best) car(s)? It seems as though Honda manufactured great cars for a few years and has lived off the Honda name since then.

Personally, I have had better luck with older cars of different brand, weather that is foreign or domestic.

I believe people (wife and her family) are brainwashed into the Honda brand, when much better cars can be had for the pemium one pays for a Honda.



Edited by Huie83 (06/06/09 06:22 PM)

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#1489994 - 06/06/09 06:42 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Huie83]
Bror Jace Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 4914
Loc: Saratoga, NY
Huie83, I think the 'brainwashing' you speak of happens with every brand. There must be millions of people who love GM cars and SWEAR Fords suck. And millions who believe just the opposite. It's your experiences and the experiences from friends and family around you. What you read/see/hear in the media, etc ... just reinforces those pre-existing beliefs.

I am a Honda fan based on my experiences with 3 of their cars in 2 decades. All have been good if not very good. Unlike some, I loved my 95 Civic Coupe 5-speed and got rid of it too soon. The car before my run with Hondas was an '86 Ford Escort GT. Really poor-quality car but I'm pretty sure Fords have improved a lot since then. Dad has had decent luck with the several Mercury Grand Marquis he's had but I don't care for 'em much. They are too clunky, I feel the quality is just 'fair' but the design is simple so they seem to be 'OK'. But even he is afraid to keep the cars more than about 3 years because he swears the tranny "isn't quite right" ... but I think he's nuts.

My current 2006 Civic is pretty good so far. Had it a couple months and a bulb went out ... but Honda doesn't make bulbs. Dealership in Saratoga is very good ... but very expensive. I do most work myself so I don't care too much about factory service.

Cars tend to get larger and pack more features as they evolve. sat-nav is on the verge of becoming standard equipment and probably will be before the end of the next decade.

As for size, the current Civic is as big as an Accord from a couple decades ago and the latest Accord is classified as a "full-size" car. It's what most (not all) people want and the rest of us (well, enough of us) grudgingly go along with the trend.
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#1490150 - 06/06/09 10:00 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Bror Jace]
LT4 Vette Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 12830
Loc: USA
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I loved my 95 Civic Coupe 5-speed and got rid of it too soon.

Your old Civic is probably still on the road purring like a kitten after 14 years racking up miles for some fortunate peson who bought it.

Off Topic, I found a super low mile mint 1995 Civic VX that I was considering buying, but the owner wanted too much for his car. With hyper miling and proper driving you can get near 60 MPG with this hatchback.

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#1490214 - 06/06/09 11:33 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: LT4 Vette]
BrianWC Offline


Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 6873
Loc: Louisiana
I have more of an issue with my dealer than my cars. For example, today I wanted to buy an extra wireless headset for the rear entertainment system in our Odyssey since we're going on vacation nest weekend. The local dealer wanted $100. Went to Handa, an online Honda parts and accessories dealer, and I got the thing for $66 plus $14 to have it shipped 2nd day air. I'm sur I could have got it even cheaper, but I have used them before and trust them.

I still don't see what the deal is, though, with saying they are overpriced and low quality. Sure, the Malibu is a nice car, but even Lutz admitted that was the best GM could do, engineering and fit and finish-wise and frankly, I don't see how it stands out vs. the competition. Don't get me wrong, I do like it. But I can't see how you can say an Accord is low quality next to it or a Civic is to a Cobalt.

Don't get me wrong, GM and Ford make some great cars. I'd gladly slum and drive a Vette or CTS-V if someone that's the kind of car I wanted. Honda doesn't make anything like that!!! I even wanted my wife to look at a Caddy SRX when we got our Odyssey. She'd have nothing of it, though.
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#1490223 - 06/06/09 11:47 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: BrianWC]
Audi Junkie Offline


Registered: 11/03/02
Posts: 11247
Loc: PA
In my experience, you don't meet anyone coming *from* a Honda to another brand. That's just how it is. I won't say everything about my car is perfect, but many things are...perfect.

I grew up in TOYOTAS as well as Hondas. My Mom's 1986 Accord basicly never seeing the inside of a shop in 10 years.

I just feel comfortable in and around their engineering and aesthetics. I don't know how else to say it...everything feels "right" to me....definately a subjective area and I can see someone else not sharing the ~same~ aesthetic with me. If I spent 10-20 years in another brand, shure I would "appreciate" it like a Martian appreciates Mars.

For me, Audis, VWs, Porsches and Honda/Acuras as well as Saab simply feel right, although I spent a lot of time in Mercedes and some in Nissans. I would never own a Nissan. I worked on my cousin's Eclipse, it was horrible aesthetics and everything I touched broke or stripped, and I'm usually good about not doing that. So, do you think I would ever buy one over a Honda? lol, how about a Honda Passport?
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#1490225 - 06/06/09 11:50 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Audi Junkie]
FXjohn Offline


Registered: 05/25/07
Posts: 1236
Loc: NE Indiana
 Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie


I grew up in TOYOTAS as well as Hondas.



wooh, that sounds pretty boring really.

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#1490226 - 06/06/09 11:52 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: FXjohn]
Audi Junkie Offline


Registered: 11/03/02
Posts: 11247
Loc: PA
Hardly. I learned to drive on a Porsche at age 9 and was tweaking them by age 12.

That's where the aesthetic appreciation for them comes from.

I've owned 15+ Audis, 5 or so VWs, a BMW, Saab, 4-5 Hondas, a FJ-55 and that's about it. I'd like a nice Porsche for my next car.
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