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#1486897 - 06/04/09 05:30 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: AcuraTech]
LT4 Vette Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 12189
Loc: USA
I admit that I am pro Honda and very glad GM won't be around in 10 years.

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#1486949 - 06/04/09 06:58 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: asiancivicmaniac]
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Registered: 02/11/08
Posts: 619
Loc: Louisiana
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#1486951 - 06/04/09 07:02 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Audi Junkie]
ecotourist Offline


Registered: 07/09/08
Posts: 180
Loc: Alberta, Canada
 Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Those 6-sp trans just do that as a normal function.


I'm curious about that comment. I assume you're referring to my Accord popping out of gear.

My Honda dealer tells me the 6-speed transmission is "very reliable" and that "no-one else is havng this problem". Is there other information?

Ecotourist

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#1487018 - 06/04/09 08:09 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: AcuraTech]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 5423
Loc: Ontario, Canada
 Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
I'm not even going to read through this thread. Blah blah blah, my grandpappy drove Chevys, Hondas suck, Yugos suck, Toyotas suck, Fords suck. Who cares.

The reason that newer cars don't hold up as well is because people demand more and more chrap. Like 5 speed automatic transmissions, an 18 speaker stereo system, navigation, dual mode climate control, 8 airbags, traction control, tire pressure monitoring, keyless remotes, power everything, auto wipers, 18 cupholders, 3 power outlets, heated seats, etc, etc, etc.

Yet on the other hand the government and customers demand higher gas mileage, forcing manufacturers to keep reducing weight and adding ever more expensive technology to increase MPG, like hybrid cars and cylinder de-activation. Also year after year people demand a safer car, but really how impact resistant can you make a unibody steel box before returns become negligible? Physics are still physics, no matter how you slice it.

You want the ultimate in reliability? Get yourself a bare bones RWD full frame car, with a low power V8, no power accesory options, no safety features (except maybe a seat belt), no traction control, nothing. Oh, wait, they don't make anything even CLOSE to that anymore.

Point being the more junk you jam into a car, all the while trying to lighten it (which are contradictory points), you are going to suffer on the reliability front.

Most modern cars do just fine, considering that cars of old (even up until the 80's) were routinely junked around 100k or less. If you want to go back to the days of points ignition, carburetors that always needed tuning, vacuum operated everything, and massive body rust, be my guest.


I'm with you on the cars filled with chrap issue these days. Probably the most reliable honda ever made rolled of the assembley line in the early 90's, a basic 5 spd manual Civic or Accord with no power anything. Simple, efficient, fun transportation and the car handled well with the double A arm suspension and light weight.
Now they have struts, average 4 bangers, and fill the car with useless gizmos, just like every other car...
Obviously they are even more popular now but I wouldn't pay a premium for them anymore.
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#1487025 - 06/04/09 08:14 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: ecotourist]
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Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 3065
Loc: NJ
05 Accord 4 cyl automatic-coming up on 110K: only problem has been an ignition coil, and I fell partially responsible, as washing the engine can do this (per driveaccord.com)
Replaced tires at 95K, replaced battery at 80K, still have original brakes.
Sign me up for another, but the local Honda dealer (joyce Honda) will NEVER get my busiess-rude, arrogant bunch of bustards

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#1487030 - 06/04/09 08:24 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Huie83]
bigdreama Offline


Registered: 04/07/08
Posts: 1049
Loc: Fl & Vt
My only experience with Honda cars is our '02 Civic that we bought new and now has 147000 miles on it. This car has been beat up pretty good and is on its third front bumper, the most recent one due to a semi trailer spewing its tire tread at 75mph on the Interstate. It also sports a mashed-in left rear quarter panel from when my wife backed into a fire hydrant.
Mechanically, the car has been stellar. This is what I have done in 7.5 years:
-three sets of tires
-29 oil changes
-timing belt at 112000 miles
-new plugs at 110000 miles
-new battery

That is it.

Even the front brake pads are original! I just checked them last week when I rotated the tires and they are getting close to replacement time. Due to the fact that it averages 36 mpg, it is generally the first car out of the driveway in the morning and the last one in at night. It may not look like much but I intend to see how far a Honda will run. Of course the best feature of all is that it is paid for. \:\!


Edited by bigdreama (06/04/09 08:31 AM)
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#1487055 - 06/04/09 08:36 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: tonycarguy]
Anies Offline


Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 2708
Loc: NJ
 Originally Posted By: tonycarguy
 Originally Posted By: Anies
Sheisty people printed out 2 stored CarFax reports which indicated no damage. Literally 6 months later my fiance's altima was having all sorts of problems and she wanted to get rid of it. The GM dealership printed a fresh carfax that showed her vehicle was in THREE accidents before she had taken ownership of it. Nissan 46 had to have forged/edited the documents because it looked different to what was presented to us. Ran a carfax on her fathers car and same thing, 1 airbag deployment.


It's possible they forged the Carfax reports, but it's also possible the accidents didn't show up until much later. I know a few people who had that happen to them. Sometimes it can take over a year for an event to show up, and suddenly your once-clean Carfax history now has a major blemish on it.

When buying used, it's best to run the VIN yourself not rely on the dealer. It only costs $25 for unlimited reports. Besides, Carfax reports aren't that accurate anyway





Well she had bought an 04 Altima and her father an 06 Altima this was in 2007. Dealer took ownership of the car (the 04 Altima) in 2006. Car has been in their possesion since 2006(couldn't sell it i guess). Hard to believe that a report run in 2008 still didnt' show it.
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#1487077 - 06/04/09 08:52 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: Anies]
Anies Offline


Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 2708
Loc: NJ
I don't think the consumer "demands" all those extra's. Its the markets the people who do trend analysis's etc. I want a car thats reliable and has a cd player with MP3 jack. Thats it. My Xterra is an XE model, plain jane. Power windows/locks. Bought the Pioneer headunit for 79 bucks at bestbuy and had them install it so i can hook my Zune up to it.

Anytime you add a bunch of electrical goodies into a car its nothing but a headache. My impala was a nightmare, actually getting the BCM replaced so it should rectify most if not all the issues it has.

New cars and trucks focus way to much on appearances than reliability. Cars are now roving homes. Trucks ride like cars with their suspension systems etc. I never understood why people would spring for a full audio package from the dealer raising the cost of the car several grand. I would buy it with just an am/fm and get an aftermarket system installed if i wanted it.
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#1487128 - 06/04/09 09:27 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: LT4 Vette]
bigdreama Offline


Registered: 04/07/08
Posts: 1049
Loc: Fl & Vt
 Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I admit that I am pro Honda and very glad GM won't be around in 10 years.


I don't know if I'd go that far but the market can be a harsh mistress. GM has the resources to come back. I just hope that they can get their sh1t together before they disappear.
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#1487293 - 06/04/09 11:35 AM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: bigdreama]
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Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 1664
Loc: louisville ky
My answer to the question is simple....NO....

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#1487342 - 06/04/09 12:00 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: rszappa1]
nthach Offline


Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 1605
Loc: California
I've been disappointed by both Honda AND Toyota as of late - they're becoming cheaper and cheaper by the day. The new Pilot, Fit and Insight are filled with cheap, hard and tacky plastic. Mechanically, they're still decent cars save for their self-grenading trannies. My neighbor had the tranny on her 1999 Odyssey grenade, Honda put a new tranny in it(after I topped the ATF off with MaxLife :)), a year later the steering rack almost feel apart at freeway speed.

Honda can't make a hybrid to save their lives, I see IMA as a less-[censored] version of GM's BAS "hybrid" system.

Toyota isn't immune to these issues either, although I do admit the 2007+ Camry is decent for what it is - and Toyota did acknowledge tranny issues on the Camry/Avalon/ES350, just took them a while to address them. I will say, the "old" 2nd gen Prius had the best interior out of the 2007+ Toyota lineup.


Edited by nthach (06/04/09 12:01 PM)

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#1487359 - 06/04/09 12:16 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: nthach]
PT1 Offline


Registered: 02/06/07
Posts: 5746
Loc: near the mistake
Not at all...have had 3 Hondas in the family...all were bulletproof..the last one was an 02 CRV that only required basic oil service and some tires but was retired early when totalled. I know several long time Honda owners who all swear by them. 2 are former GM employees. I wouldn't think twice about getting a Honda again.

They keep their resale value way better than the GM garbage I have wasted tens of thousands of dollars on. Besides who wants to support the UAW after they have robbed the US treasury...kind of like sending money to Al Capone IMO.


Edited by PT1 (06/04/09 12:17 PM)
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#1487390 - 06/04/09 12:35 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: PT1]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 14339
Loc: Niagara Falls, ON, CA (near)
 Originally Posted By: PT1
... Besides who wants to support the UAW after they have robbed the US treasury...kind of like sending money to Al Capone IMO.


+1 \:\!
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#1487461 - 06/04/09 01:34 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: StevieC]
BrianWC Offline


Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 6873
Loc: Louisiana
I obviously don't have much beef with Honda products. I've owned US, Euro, and Japanese cars. Each has their merits. Each has their issues. In my experience, overall reliability has never been a concern with my 02 Honda. I blew up the a/c once (I accidentally overfilled) and paid half price for the repair. Little did I know, the dealer was replacing them free even out of warranty if I had asked and not claimed responsibility. Other than that, the CR-V needed a new o2 sensor and cat at 100k miles. But considering it took it 7 years to get to that point, I can't really see it as that big of a deal.

Likewise, my parents were GM only people for the longest time. After seeing how much I liked my V, they bought a v-6 Accord. 5 years and 85k miles later, it's only been to the dealer once, and that was b/c some rodent chewed through an o2 sensor wire.
Parent's and my purchase inspired my brother to get a 2.4l Accord. 4 years and 300k miles later, he tops off with oil but no other major issues.

I'd also have to argue over interior quality. A cheap car is a cheap car, no matter the decade or the make. Only the price changes. Not that I don't like the Cobalt, but I'd be willing to put my Fit's interior up against it any day, much less that of an Aveo.
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#1487530 - 06/04/09 02:29 PM Re: Anyone else dissapointed by Honda cars? [Re: BrianWC]
benjamming Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 5665
Loc: northern Alabama
 Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Other than that, the CR-V needed a new o2 sensor and cat at 100k miles. But considering it took it 7 years to get to that point, I can't really see it as that big of a deal.


Cats & O2 sensors should not fail that quickly. That should be considered a big deal. Have you priced an OEM cat lately? Was this under warranty? If not, it was only 20k miles out of warranty.

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