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#1404383 - 03/15/09 09:26 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
Canawler Offline


Registered: 05/05/08
Posts: 437
Loc: York, PA
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock

Yep, but so far (that I've seen), only Graham and CCC (Consolidated Container Company)has packaged the XOM ST oil sold at Walmart. Also remember that this may not apply to other areas of the country.


I always wondered what the "CCC" stood for (but obviously not enough to look into it myself. )

Locally, Walmart's conventional oils are XOM except for 5w-20 which is WPP. High mileage and synthetic are made by WPP.

Also noticed a new white bottle for the synthetic instead of the silver.


.... I obviously spend way too much time in Walmart.
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#1404392 - 03/15/09 09:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Canawler]
daves87rs Offline


Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 13355
Loc: Michigan
I'm pretty sure it is Warren right now....


Rumor I heard is that a change to mobil might be coming...


Mobil 1 gets an "update" and a drop to 21 bucks (I think)


Old mobil 1 (different add pack) becomes ST syn.

Old mobil 5000 (sounds like it will be dropped in favor of th 7500) would become ST dino.


Rumor, but...


It would make sense if mobil wants to win the price war. (More oil=lower price)
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#1404404 - 03/15/09 09:52 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: demarpaint]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It would be very profitable to sell to Walmart, however I seriously doubt they would take their Flagship product in its exact chemical make up and re-bottle it. I would think it would be a lower grade product, because if it was ever found out that the exact same product was under a different label it would do Shell/Mobil more harm than good.

This is typical of paint compaines as well, they sell product under different labels to stores using a store brand label. It is not the same quality product even though for the sake of Argument Sherwin Williams, or Muralo makes it. My guy sells re-labeled Muralo paint under his own label, it is nowhere near the same quality.

I suspect this to be the same deal. That would be specualtion until a complete chemical analysis comes in. Since I don't have the money nor desire to pay for the testing, I would stick to the brand name, and be pretty certain it would be of a better quality than something under a Walmart Label.

Those are valid points, but I assume that Shell doesn't think very many people would find out that some Walmart private label products are supplied by them, and they probably do make at least small changes in the formula just to create "plausible deniability" about whether the products are the same, if and when the subject ever came up.

But Walmart is the 800 lb gorilla of retail, and they wield enormous power. And Mobil is the 800 lb gorilla of synthetic oil (in the retail space), so Shell is in-between a rock and hard place in the synthetic retail market.

But I don't really like to speculate one way or the other. We will see where the facts take us. Maybe it won't take us anywhere.


Edited by Mark888 (03/15/09 09:53 PM)

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#1404411 - 03/15/09 09:58 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: daves87rs]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: daves87rs
I'm pretty sure it is Warren right now....

Rumor I heard is that a change to mobil might be coming...

Mobil 1 gets an "update" and a drop to 21 bucks (I think)

Old mobil 1 (different add pack) becomes ST syn.

Old mobil 5000 (sounds like it will be dropped in favor of th 7500) would become ST dino.

Rumor, but...

It would make sense if mobil wants to win the price war. (More oil=lower price)

Mobil 1 has already started a price war, with the $10 rebate and the Advance Auto Parts sale.

With the dramatic drop in crude prices, expect to see prices of motor oil drop accross the board, even if formulas stay the same.

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#1404426 - 03/15/09 10:10 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
daves87rs Offline


Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 13355
Loc: Michigan
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: daves87rs
I'm pretty sure it is Warren right now....

Rumor I heard is that a change to mobil might be coming...

Mobil 1 gets an "update" and a drop to 21 bucks (I think)

Old mobil 1 (different add pack) becomes ST syn.

Old mobil 5000 (sounds like it will be dropped in favor of th 7500) would become ST dino.

Rumor, but...

It would make sense if mobil wants to win the price war. (More oil=lower price)

Mobil 1 has already started a price war, with the $10 rebate and the Advance Auto Parts sale.

With the dramatic drop in crude prices, expect to see prices of motor oil drop accross the board, even if formulas stay the same.



Yes, BUT expect Mobil to stay number one...and if they team up with walmart, things could get interesting...
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#1404458 - 03/15/09 10:56 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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Registered: 09/25/06
Posts: 1203
Loc: California
 Originally Posted By: demarpaint

. . . I would stick to the brand name, and be pretty certain it would be of a better quality than something under a Walmart Label.


I agree 100 percent.

 Originally Posted By: Mark888

Those are valid points, but I assume that Shell doesn't think very many people would find out that some Walmart private label products are supplied by them, and they probably do make at least small changes in the formula just to create "plausible deniability" about whether the products are the same, if and when the subject ever came up.


To a certain extent I would agree, although with the internet it makes it somewhat easier for people to find out stuff like this.

I know I have debated this same subject with others on other forums. It does seem to vary according to location.
I've noticed at my local Walmarts it even varies from time to time. Sometimes the bottles will have the WPP stamped in them - other times they will not!


Edited by oldmaninsc (03/15/09 10:57 PM)
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#1404465 - 03/15/09 11:11 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 225
Loc: Happy Valley, PA
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Hey Mark, I have to say Kudos to you for your research and thought on this. I expected the typical "who makes ST oil" thread and this one was the most informational we've had in a long time.

\:\!


+1

Now for some outloud thinking. How often does WalMart put out an oil contract? If it changes frequently would it benefit SOPUS or XOM to develop a product for WM or just bottle what they have? Meaning, would it be worth all the testing and $ to have a new oil certified for each viscosity, if it might change?

IMO what WM wants WM gets. And if that means PP in a ST bottle, they would get it.
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#1404484 - 03/15/09 11:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: gmctodd]
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Registered: 11/16/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Long Island, NY
From Warren Perfomance Products website... WPP Site

MANUFACTURING:
-In-house blow molding
-Computerized in-line blending
-Viscosity modifier solubolization
-In-house quality control lab
-Lean manufacturing
-6.5 million gallons fluid storage
-Synthetic Motor Oil
-Accel
-Mag 1
-Polar

PACKAGING:
-Custom design, private label
-In-house carton printing
-In-house label design
-State-of-the-art, high speed filling equipment
-780 different products packaged in our facilities under 40 different labels

DISTRIBUTION:
-Seamless Efficiency
-BOSS state-of-the-art warehouse management system
-1/2 mile powered sortation conveyor
-Paperless Radio Frequency order processing
-Ability to ship each case or pallet up to multiple truckloads
-Cross dock shipments for individual stores available


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#1404488 - 03/15/09 11:58 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
chevrofreak Offline


Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 4899
Loc: Billings, MT
 Originally Posted By: Mark888

With the dramatic drop in crude prices, expect to see prices of motor oil drop accross the board, even if formulas stay the same.


The price drops are already happening. I think every oil Walmart carries with the exception of Mobil 1 has come down in price from its high point.
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#1404490 - 03/16/09 12:12 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
tenderloin Offline


Registered: 12/16/02
Posts: 6002
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
WalMart QS price reductions are due to "new" QS products coming out. Havoline discounts were due to WalMart discontinuing carrying Havoline. Most other prices have been static as far as I can see. Might be a few pennies, but nothing like what most are looking for.

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#1404496 - 03/16/09 12:33 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: tenderloin]
chevrofreak Offline


Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 4899
Loc: Billings, MT
All Valvoline has come down in price as well. The Synpower is down to $21, Maxlife to $14, Premium Conventional to $13.50

Pennzoil has come down as well, except for Platinum.

The new QS oils are available here, now, and are selling for the same price as what they replaced.
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#1404584 - 03/16/09 06:39 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
Cmarti Offline


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 438
Loc: Ohio
Oh my this is confusing I just changed the oil in my truck and put in WM supertech SYN 5w-30, because they were out of PP 5w-20. I am mad at my truck for constantly sticking it'ts tongue out at me with that frickn check engine light. (I have basically replaced the whole intake)

Anyway, here I think I am punishing the beast , and I may have been spoiling it . Oh dear.

While I am curious who makes it, and wonder if the confusion is on purpose so we don't catch on, it gave great UOA so I tried it in a pinch. For me the issue will be is there a benefit after a 5 K run to spend $8 more on PP. I will do a UOA after 5 K.
My worry would be, is there something different in the bottle everytime I buy it. (Although it seems name brand are constantly
fiddling with formulas as well)

Good luck with your quest M888


Edited by Cmarti (03/16/09 06:49 AM)

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#1404876 - 03/16/09 12:46 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Cmarti]
lucerne06 Offline


Registered: 03/07/09
Posts: 388
Loc: northeast
When you type in MSDS# 9653 which is listed as the MSDS# for Super Tech full syn 10w-30 on a msds report from 7/7/08 you get this MG03135G MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL 00009653.pdf


Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
I. PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL
Product Code: MG03135G
Emergency Phone: (800) 424-9300 (202) 483-7616 (CHEMTREC)


Poison Control Center: (800) 222-1222
Company: Warren Distribution, Inc.
727 S. 13th St.
Omaha, NE 68102
Information Phone: (800) 825-1235 (402) 341-9397
Revision Number: 11
II. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical Name % CAS # OSHA Exposure Limits
Distillates, hydrotreated heavy paraffinic 60 - 90 64742-54-7 No PEL established
Distillates (petroleum), solvent-dewaxed heavy paraffinic 7 - 13 64742-65-0 No PEL established
Components not listed are not physical or health hazards as defined in 29 CFR 1910.1200 (Hazard Communication
Standard).
III. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
Immediate (Acute) Health Effects by Route of Exposure:
Inhalation Irritation: Inhalation of vapors (generated at high temperatures only) or oil mist may cause mild
irritation of the nose, throat, and respiratory tract.
Skin Contact: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the skin.
Eye Contact: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the eyes.
May cause slight irritation of the eyes.
Ingestion Irritation: Although this product has a low order of acute oral toxicity, aspiration of minute
amounts into the lungs during ingestion or vomiting may cause mild to severe pulmonary
injury and possibly death.
Ingestion Toxicity: Lubricating oils are generally no more than slightly toxic if swallowed.
Long-Term (Chronic) Health Effects:
Reproductive and
Developmental Toxicity:
No data available to indicate product or any components present at greater than
0.1% may cause birth defects.
Mutagenicity: No data available to indicate product or any components present at greater than
0.1% is mutagenic or genotoxic.
Skin Contact: Prolonged and repeated contact may result in defatting and drying of the skin
that may cause various skin disorders such as dermatitis, folliculitis, or oil acne.
Other adverse effects not expected from brief skin contact.
HMIS Ratings:
Health: 1
Flammability: 1
Reactivity: 0
PPE: B
0 - Least 1 - Slight 2 - Moderate 3 - High 4 - Extreme
IV. FIRST-AID MEASURES
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 1 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
Inhalation: Remove to fresh air. If breathing is difficult, have a trained individual administer oxygen. If
not breathing, give artificial respiration and have a trained individual administer oxygen.
Get medical attention immediately.
Eyes: Flush with water. If irritation occurs, get medical attention. Rest eyes for 30 minutes. If
redness, burning, blurred vision, or swelling occur, transport to nearest medical facility for
additional treatment.
Skin Contact: Remove contaminated clothing and shoes and wipe excess from skin. Flush skin with
water, then wash with soap and water. If irriation occurs, get medical attention. Do not
reuse clothing until cleaned. If redness, swelling, pain, and/or blisters occur, transport to
the nearest medical facility for additional treatment.
Ingestion: Minimal risk of harm if swallowed. Do not induce vomiting. Seek medical attention
immediately. Provide medical care provider with this MSDS.
Notes to Doctor: Aspiration during swallowing or vomiting may severely damage the lungs.
V. FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
Flammability Summary: Combustible at elevated temperatures
Extinguishing Media: Use alcohol resistant foam, carbon dioxide, or dry chemical when
fighting fires. Water or foam may cause frothing if liquid is burning but
it still may be a useful extinguishing agent if carefully applied to the
surface of the fire. Do Not direct a stream of water into the hot burning
liquid.
Fire and/or Explosion Hazards: Material may be ignited only if preheated to temperatures above the
high flash point, for example in a fire.
Fire Fighting Methods and Protection: Do not enter fire area without proper protection including selfcontained
breathing apparatus and full protective equipment. Use
methods for the surrounding fire.
Hazardous Combustion Products: Carbon dioxide, Carbon monoxide
Flash Point: 233 deg. C, [ 451 deg. F ]
Upper Flammable/Explosive Limit, % in air: 7.0
Lower Flammable/Explosive Limit, % in air: 9.0
VI. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
Personal Precautions and Equipment: No health affects expected from the clean-up of this material if contact
can be avoided. Follow personal protective equipment
recommendations found in Section VIII of this MSDS
Methods for Clean-up: Prevent the spread of any spill to minimize harm to human health and
the environment if safe to do so. Wear complete and proper personal
protective equipment following the recommendation of Section VIII at
a minimum. Dike with suitable absorbent material like granulated clay.
Gather and store in a sealed container pending a waste disposal
evaluation.
VII. HANDLING AND STORAGE
Handling Technical Measures and
Precautions:
Mildly irritating material. Avoid unnecessary exposure.
Storage Technical Measures and
Conditions:
Store in a cool dry ventilated location. Isolate from incompatible
materials and conditions. Keep container(s) closed. Do not expose to
extreme temperatures or flames.
VIII. EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 2 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
Engineering Measures: No exposure limits exist for the constituents of this product. No engineering controls
are likely to be required to maintain operator comfort under normal conditions of use.
Respiratory Protection: No respiratory protection required under normal conditions of use.
Respirator Type(s): None required where adequate ventilation is provided. If airborne concentrations are
above the applicable exposure limits, use NIOSH/MSHA approved respiratory
protection.
Eye Protection: Wear safety glasses when handling this product if there is a likelihood of contact with
eyes.
Skin Protection: Not normally considered a skin hazard. Where use can result in skin contact, practice
good personal hygiene. Wash hands and other exposed areas with mild soap and water
before eating, drinking, and when leaving work.
Gloves: Neoprene
Control Parameters:
Chemical Name ACGIH TLV-TWA ACGIH STEL IDLH
Distillates, hydrotreated heavy paraffinic No TLV ND
Distillates (petroleum), solvent-dewaxed heavy
paraffinic
No TLV ND
OSHA PEL TWA for oil mist is 5mg/m3, ACGIH TLV TWA for oil mist is 5mg/m3, ACGIH STEL for oil mist is
10mg/m3
IX. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
Physical State: Liquid
pH: ND
Solubility in Water: Insoluble
Evaporation Rate: 0.5-2 (n-Butyl acetate = 1)
Specific Gravity: 0.868
Bulk Density: 7.243
Flash Point: 233 deg. C
Upper Flammable/Explosive Limit,
% in air:
7.0
Lower Flammable/Explosive Limit,
% in air:
9.0
X. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
Stability: Stable under normal conditions.
Conditions to Avoid: Temperatures above the high flash point of this combustible
material in combination with sparks, open flames, or other
sources of ignition.
Materials to Avoid/Chemical Incompatibility: Strong oxidizing agents
Hazardous Decomposition Products: Carbon monoxide, sulfur oxides, aldehydes, and other
petroleum decomposition products in the case of incomplete
combustion. Oxides of nitrogen, phosphorus, calcium, copper,
magnesium, sodium, and hydrogen sulfide may also be present.
XI. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Component Toxicology Data (NIOSH):
Chemical Name CAS Number LD50/LC50
Petroleum distillates, hydrotreated heavy
paraffinic
64742-54-7 Inhalation LC50 Rat: 2.18 mg/L/4H; Oral LD50 Rat:>2000 mg/kg;
Dermal LD50 Rabbit:>2000 mg/kg
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 3 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
Petroleum distillates, solvent dewaxed
heavy paraffinic
64742-65-0 Inhalation LC50 Rat: 2.18 mg/L/4H; Oral LD50 Rat:>5000 mg/kg;
Dermal LD50 Rabbit:>2000 mg/kg
XII. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Overview: Moderate ecological hazard. This product may be dangerous to plants and/or
wildlife.
Mobility: No data
Persistence: No data
Bioaccumulation: No data
Degradability: No data
XIII. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
Disposal of Packaging: Recycle containers whenever possible.
Disposal Methods: Dispose of according to Federal, State, Local, or Provincial regulations. Recycle
used oil.
XIV. TRANSPORTATION INFORMATION
DOT & IMDG: NOT RESTRICTED
XV. REGULATORY INFORMATION
TSCA Status: All components of this material are on the US TSCA Inventory or are exempt.
NAFTA Tariff Code: 2710.19.0000
Chemical Name CAS # Regulation % Range
Toluene 108-88-3 SARA 313 0.001- 0.01
Toluene 108-88-3 CA Prop 65 - Dev.
toxicity
0.001- 0.01
XVI. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Disclaimer: This material safety data sheet and the information it contains is offered to you in good faith as accurate. We have reviewed
any information contained in the data sheet which we have received from outside sources and we believe the information to
be correct, but cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness. Health and safety precautions in this data sheet may not be
adequate for all individuals and/or situations. It is the user's obligation to evaluate and use this product in a safe manner and
to comply with all applicable laws and regulations. No statement made in this data sheet shall be construed as permission or
recommendation for the use of any product in a manner that might infringe existing patents. No warranty is made, either
expressed or implied.
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 4 of 4s

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#1404881 - 03/16/09 12:53 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
When you type in MSDS# 9653 which is listed as the MSDS# for Super Tech full syn 10w-30 on a msds report from 7/7/08 you get this MG03135G MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL 00009653.pdf

We are aware of that, and the PDF you copied has already been posted via a link.

There are multiple SuperTech Synthteic MSDS's on the Walmart MSDS webstie. Some are for MAG (Warren) and some are for Specialty Oil Company, which has been determined to be SOPUS, owend by Shell Oil. SOPUS includes Quaker State and Pennzoil.

We have not yet determined which MSDS applies to the current SuperTech Synthetic motor oil that is now on Walmart shelves in their retail stores.

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#1404888 - 03/16/09 01:14 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
lucerne06 Offline


Registered: 03/07/09
Posts: 388
Loc: northeast
I was told by Tech Support at Royal Dutch Shell Corporation, (the makers of Quaker State, Pennzoil, and Rotella engine lubricants) that the Walmart brand of full synthetic oil (that is bottled by Warren Packaging Co. for Walmart), is supplied to Warren by Royal Dutch Shell, and is virtually "identical" to Pennzoil Platinum

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