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#1403698 - 03/15/09 10:04 AM Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils?
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
I have been asked by the moderator to not discuss this subject without proof, so here is proof that Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils are made by Shell (owners or Quaker State/Pennzoil). Of course, this is not proof of whether it is identical to PP as some have claimed, but I am not making that claim here.

After checking the Walmart MSDS website, it appears that all grades of SUPER TECH Full Synthetic Motor Oil are now made by Specialty Oil Company, P.O. Box 4427, Houston, TX. 77210-4427. Warren apparently still distributes (or even may blend) the regular and synthetic blend Super Tech oil, but not the full synthetics.
http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/347432.pdf

Some posters on the following link suggested that Specialty Oil Company is owned by Shell (Pennzoil/Quaker State).
http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/gas-ezgo/12266-full-synthetic.html

I called the Specialty Oil Company MSDS Assistance Number: (877) 276-7285 listed on the MSDS link above from the Walmart site for SuperTech Synthetic oil:

a. First I hit 1 for English
b. then I hit 3 for technical information regarding the MSDS
c. Then the voice response unit asks whether you want technical information for Shell, Pennzoil/Quaker State, or other car care products.

Then I went to the Pennzoil webpage to get the phone number for their MSDS info.
http://www.pennzoil.com/site/contact.html
The phone number is different (800-546-6227) than the one above, but when you call that number for Pennzoil MSDS you get the exact same voice response information as for Specialty Oil Company (and all other Shell companies).

Try it!

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#1403699 - 03/15/09 10:08 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
brian12 Offline


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Specialty Oil Company is Texaco Lubricants which is basically just Chevron.

Texaco Lubricants Co.
Box 4427, Houston, TX, 77210-4427
Phone: (800)782-7852, Fax: (713)752-3235

http://www.truckinginfo.com/products/product.asp?catID=13&productID=85

http://www.foodmanufacturing.com/scripts...SEARCHTEXT~.asp


Edited by brian12 (03/15/09 10:11 AM)
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#1403700 - 03/15/09 10:10 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: brian12]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: brian12

Specialty Oil Company is Texaco Lubricants which is basically just Chevron.

Texaco Lubricants Co.
Box 4427, Houston, TX, 77210-4427
Phone: (800)782-7852, Fax: (713)752-3235

When I call (800)782-7852, it says "Thank you for calling Shell...".

Shell owns Quaker State/Pennzoil

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#1403701 - 03/15/09 10:11 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
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WPP still makes the WM full syn that is distributed to the North East.
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#1403703 - 03/15/09 10:13 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
brian12 Offline


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All I can say is check those links I posted. They list a Texaco website.

 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: brian12

Specialty Oil Company is Texaco Lubricants which is basically just Chevron.

Texaco Lubricants Co.
Box 4427, Houston, TX, 77210-4427
Phone: (800)782-7852, Fax: (713)752-3235

When I call (800)782-7852, it says "Thank you for calling Shell...".

Shell owns Quaker State/Pennzoil
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#1403704 - 03/15/09 10:13 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Zaedock]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
WPP still makes the WM full syn that is distributed to the North East.

Wouldn't Walmart have to post a MSDS for that specific product? The MSDS I found suggest that as of now, it is Specialty Oil Company. I believe you when you say it was previously WPP, but not sure about now.

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#1403706 - 03/15/09 10:16 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: brian12]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: brian12
All I can say is check those links I posted. They list a Texaco website.

I guess that things change. I would think the voice response unit that answers the phone right now would be the most accurate.

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#1403707 - 03/15/09 10:18 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
WPP still makes the WM full syn that is distributed to the North East.

Wouldn't Walmart have to post a MSDS for that specific product? The MSDS I found suggest that as of now, it is Specialty Oil Company. I believe you when you say it was previously WPP, but not sure about now.


The Walmart MSDS site has WPP listed. Type "10W30" into the search and you will find them.
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#1403711 - 03/15/09 10:25 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Zaedock]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
The Walmart MSDS site has WPP listed. Type "10W30" into the search and you will find them.

I found it. I wonder if they have switched to WPP, switched to Shell, or just use both?

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#1403713 - 03/15/09 10:29 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
Mark888 Offline


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I checked the MSDS for Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 and here is the manufacturer listed:

Manufacturer/Supplier:
SOPUS Products
PO Box 4427
Houston, TX 77210-4427
USA
MSDS Request : 877-276-7285
Emergency Telephone Number
Spill Information : 877-242-7400
Health Information : 877-504-9351

This is exact same address and phone numbers listed on Walmart SUPER TECH Full Syntetic Motor Oil MSDS for Specialty Oil Company. Only the company name is different:

Specialty Oil Company
P.O. Box 4427
Houston, TX. 77210-4427
Spill Information: (877) 242-7400
Health Information: (877) 504-9351
MSDS Assistance Number: (877) 276-7285

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#1403714 - 03/15/09 10:29 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
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Posts: 356
Loc: Bristow, Virginia
Super Tech seems to get positive reviews from its users, thats about the only thing I know about this subject.

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#1403717 - 03/15/09 10:33 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
brian12 Offline


Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 449
Loc: panhandle of florida
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
The Walmart MSDS site has WPP listed. Type "10W30" into the search and you will find them.

I found it. I wonder if they have switched to WPP, switched to Shell, or just use both?


I have seen msds from Exxon-Mobil, Specialty Oil Company, and WPP for Walmarts oils. If you look at some of the dates on them they are pretty old so I'm not sure that particular company is still making fluid for them. I've read/heard Walmart's oils on the west coast are made by SPC, east coast Mobil, and central US WPP. Knowing Walmart I think they go with whoever gives them the best deal at the time. They put out a contract, whoever gives them the best deal gets it, and when the contract runs out they put out another and the process repeats itself. They could have a diff supplier every year for all we know.


Edited by brian12 (03/15/09 10:35 AM)
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#1403722 - 03/15/09 10:45 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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I SERIOUSLY doubt that WM synthetic is the same as PP. If it is made by Shell then its probably closer to FS synthetic.

Maybe it's the same as Helix.

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#1403729 - 03/15/09 10:50 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: pbm]
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It doesn't matter who makes it, Supertech is a very good low cost oil.

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#1403744 - 03/15/09 11:05 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: LT4 Vette]
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#1403748 - 03/15/09 11:07 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: LT4 Vette]
Mark888 Offline


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Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
It doesn't matter who makes it, Supertech is a very good low cost oil.

Motor oil can be a very emotional subject. If one's favorite branded oil turned out to be the same as the Walmart house brand (no absolute proof of that yet), it would sort of be like finding out that one of your children was making porn movies.

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#1403766 - 03/15/09 11:21 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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They all outsource to a third party spill info calls etc. It is not cost effective for any of them to have their own.
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#1403775 - 03/15/09 11:26 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
brian12 Offline


Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 449
Loc: panhandle of florida
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
It doesn't matter who makes it, Supertech is a very good low cost oil.

Motor oil can be a very emotional subject. If one's favorite branded oil turned out to be the same as the Walmart house brand (no absolute proof of that yet), it would sort of be like finding out that one of your children was making porn movies.


Even if it is made by Shell I doubt its exactly the same as PP. It is funny though how people flip out if you even mention that a cheaper oil could be similar to their more expensive oil of choice. They pay more for their oil so it is extra good.


Edited by brian12 (03/15/09 11:28 AM)
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#1403776 - 03/15/09 11:27 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: GrampsintheSand]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: GrampsintheSand
They all outsource to a third party spill info calls etc. It is not cost effective for any of them to have their own.

When you call the other numbers (that are same for Specialty Oil Company and Pennzoil) you get a voice response message that only gives options for Shell, Quaker State/Pennzoil, or other care care products. No other brands are mentioned.

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#1403779 - 03/15/09 11:29 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: GrampsintheSand]
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Loc: CA
That's some serious detective work. Perhaps if we could get a VOA it could shed even more light on to this subject.

EDIT:

A google of the phone number: (877) 276-7285

Reveals a lot of hits for SOPUS and Shell products along with a few other companies and even a hit for a TEXACO product!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=(87...4CA294&ie=UTF-8
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#1403780 - 03/15/09 11:30 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: brian12
Even if it is made by Shell I doubt its exactly the same as PP. It is funny though how people flip out if you even mention that a cheaper oil could be similar to their more expensive oil of choice. They pay more for their oil so it is extra good.

It's not only that they pay more. They may have been using the same brand of oil for many years, maybe their entire lives, and maybe even their dad used that brand of oil. Very emotional subject.

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#1403805 - 03/15/09 11:58 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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Mark888,

The truth is out there somewhere. Keep up the good work \:\!

one question, is it possible that this particular place in Texas is who makes the add. pack
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#1403826 - 03/15/09 12:34 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: gmctodd]
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Posts: 356
Loc: Bristow, Virginia
I just came from Wal Mart: Super Tech $17/5qt jug, Platinum $23.00/5 qt jug. $6 difference.


Edited by HARTZSKY (03/15/09 12:35 PM)

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#1403906 - 03/15/09 01:47 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: HARTZSKY]
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One thing about this thread: it reminds me of the "old" BITOG...no one is bashing things, just trying to add to the discussion at hand.
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#1403907 - 03/15/09 01:48 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: gmctodd]
Mark888 Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: gmctodd
one question, is it possible that this particular place in Texas is who makes the add. pack

I also just came back from Walmart:

1. All Shell, Quaker State, and Pennzoil products say on the container that they are manufactured and/or distributed by Sopus Products, P.O. Box 4427, Houston, TX. 77210-4427, which is the same address as Specialty Oil Company, which is listed on the Walmart MSDS for synthetic oil (although Walmart also has a SuperTech Synthetic MSDS from Warren).

2. All Walmart branded lubricants, including ATF, brake-fluid, motor oil (and many others) are bottled by WPP. You can tell that from the WPP imprint on the bottom of the container. That does not necessarily mean they are manufactured/blended by WPP (although they could be), but it does mean they are bottled and distributed by WPP.

3. I asked a Walmart service technician who makes SuperTech synthetic oil, and he said he was told Quaker State or Pennzoil, but he wasn't sure. He was not the manager of the department.

4. This is second day in a row I have been to Walmart in the oil department snooping around, but not buying anything, and I think the people monitoring the security cameras are getting suspicious.

I may call Walmart headquarters this week to see which is the current MSDS for SuperTech Synthetic oil.

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#1403928 - 03/15/09 02:30 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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I spoke to WPP about a week ago concerning WM ST Dex 3 atf and they told me they were one of Walmarts suppliers for the fluid and went on to ask me where I live. So I guess it does depend on where you are located as to who's oil your getting with Supertech. From looking at Walmarts's msds sheets I saw that WPP and Specialty oil Company both supply WM with Supertech dex 3. When I checked out the address for SPC it led me to believe Texaco(Chevron) was one of the makers. Now after seeing the same address for Shell I'm wondering if it is some kind of joint Venture between the two companies.
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#1403941 - 03/15/09 02:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
Mark888 Offline


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Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: brian12

I spoke to WPP about a week ago concerning WM ST Dex 3 atf and they told me they were one of Walmarts suppliers for the fluid and went on to ask me where I live. So I guess it does depend on where you are located as to who's oil your getting with Supertech. From looking at Walmarts's msds sheets I saw that WPP and Specialty oil Company both supply WM with Supertech dex 3. When I checked out the address for SPC it led me to believe Texaco(Chevron) was one of the makers. Now after seeing the same address for Shell I'm wondering if it is some kind of joint Venture between the two companies.

That may have been the case at one time, but check out this website:
http://www.pzlqs.com/

"On On October 1, 2002, the acquisition of Pennzoil-Quaker State Company by Shell Oil Company, an affiliate of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group of Companies, was completed. In May of 2003, Pennzoil-Quaker State Company began doing business as SOPUS Products. Combining Shell lubricant's networks and infrastructure and Pennzoil-Quaker State Company's leading motor oil brands, portfolio of car care brands and Jiffy Lube stores, the new company is a leader in the U.S. lubricants and car care business."
Copyright 2003, SOPUS Products, All Rights Reserved

Sopus = Pennzoil-Quaker State.
Sopus is owned by Shell.

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#1403943 - 03/15/09 02:44 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
3. I asked a Walmart service technician who makes SuperTech synthetic oil, and he said he was told Quaker State or Pennzoil, but he wasn't sure. He was not the manager of the department.


This is as unreliable as information can get.
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#1403950 - 03/15/09 02:45 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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While googling for Sopus, I found this connection between Walmart SuperTech and Shell:

Shell Lubricants - Sopus Products - Wal-Mart Shell Lubricants and WalMart Work together and deny responsibility for products made by Shell and purchased at WalMart. Shell: Houston Texas
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/329/RipOff0329102.htm

"This past January, I was using my chainsaw when it ran out of gas. So I used some Super Tech 2 Cycle Precise Mix oil and mixed up a gallon of gas. I then put the gas mixture into my chainsaw and started it up…it ran for about 1 minute and died....I headed over to Wal-Mart where I purchased the oil to fill out a claim against them for the cost of my saw. A few days later I was contacted by Wal-Mart and was told that since they didnt manufacture the oil they would be forwarding my claim to the oil company responsible which was Shell. She told me that I would be contacted by Shell and they would tell me how to proceed..."

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#1403982 - 03/15/09 03:12 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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Yes, some of the Super Tech 2 stroke oil is made by Shell.

Doesn't mean the engine oil is, too.
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#1403999 - 03/15/09 03:36 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
Mark888 Offline


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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Yes, some of the Super Tech 2 stroke oil is made by Shell.

Doesn't mean the engine oil is, too.

No, it doesn't. However there is an MSDS on the Walmart site that clearly links SuperTech Full Synthetic oil with SOPUS. We don't know if that is a current MSDS or an old one, but it certainly appears that at least some SuperTech Full Synthetic oil is (or was) made by Pennzoil/Quaker State.

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#1404002 - 03/15/09 03:38 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: brian12

I spoke to WPP about a week ago concerning WM ST Dex 3 atf and they told me they were one of Walmarts suppliers for the fluid and went on to ask me where I live. So I guess it does depend on where you are located as to who's oil your getting with Supertech. From looking at Walmarts's msds sheets I saw that WPP and Specialty oil Company both supply WM with Supertech dex 3. When I checked out the address for SPC it led me to believe Texaco(Chevron) was one of the makers. Now after seeing the same address for Shell I'm wondering if it is some kind of joint Venture between the two companies.

That may have been the case at one time, but check out this website:
http://www.pzlqs.com/

"On On October 1, 2002, the acquisition of Pennzoil-Quaker State Company by Shell Oil Company, an affiliate of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group of Companies, was completed. In May of 2003, Pennzoil-Quaker State Company began doing business as SOPUS Products. Combining Shell lubricant's networks and infrastructure and Pennzoil-Quaker State Company's leading motor oil brands, portfolio of car care brands and Jiffy Lube stores, the new company is a leader in the U.S. lubricants and car care business."
Copyright 2003, SOPUS Products, All Rights Reserved

Sopus = Pennzoil-Quaker State.
Sopus is owned by Shell.


Mark, not sure what your agenda is or what you think you are trying to prove, but you have really got things confused. So I am going to try and help you with some of the names.

1. Parent company: Royal Dutch Shell
2. Shell Oil Company USA = everything Shell i.e. fuels, industrial, and automotive lubricants.
3. Royal Dutch Shell through Shell Oil Company USA buys the Pennzoil-Quaker State Company and all of its subsidiaries.
4. Shell Oil Company USA decides to separate the automotive products from the fuels, industrial, and commercial products.
5. Shell calls the new division SOPUS which stands for Shell Oil Products United States.
6. SOPUS = everything automotive with Shell Oil Company USA, which includes Pennzoil, Quaker State, Formula Shell, Gumout, Snap, Rain-X, Medo, and about 8 other automotive products.

Now, at one time many, many years ago, Speciality Oil was a division of the old Quaker State Company and they did make oil for Wal Mart, it was called Tech-2000. They also made a 2-cycle oil by the name of Itasca which was also packaged for Wal Mart. Now, everyone who had anything to do with Wal Mart knew that these oils were made and packaged by Speciality Oil and that it was a division of Quaker State. However as I stated in another post, after the Pennzoil Quaker State merger, Speciality Oil was sold. Now, when another one of these expert slams comes along and some bozo who lets trees lay in his yard for months is told by some Wal Mart contact (and lord we only know who that might be) tells him the 2-cycle oil is made by Shell, well that person was wrong. All I can assume is that at one time the Speciality Division of Quaker State who made Itasca oil for Walmart, and since Shell now owns the Quaker State brand, someone assumed that Shell made the 2-cycle oil and they were wrong. When Shell told the tree cutter that what he sent in was not their product, they were probably telling him the truth. If he would have bought another small bottle of the oil and sent it in, they would have told him the same thing. Shell does not supply 2-cycle oil to Wal Mart.

Now if you want to believe the oil at Wal Mart is the same as the other products Shell makes, go ahead, knock yourself out.

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#1404004 - 03/15/09 03:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
3. I asked a Walmart service technician who makes SuperTech synthetic oil, and he said he was told Quaker State or Pennzoil, but he wasn't sure. He was not the manager of the department.


This is as unreliable as information can get.

It is certainly not conclusive. If I thought it was conclusive, I would not have mentioned the idea of calling Wal-Mart or WPP later this week.

If the Walmart Auto Center employee told me that SuperTech Full Synthetic was made by WPP (not just bottled by them) you would have expected me to disclose that conversation, and I would have.

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#1404014 - 03/15/09 03:52 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Johnny]
Mark888 Offline


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Posts: 1084
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 Originally Posted By: Johnny
Mark, not sure what your agenda is or what you think you are trying to prove, but you have really got things confused. So I am going to try and help you with some of the names.

1. Parent company: Royal Dutch Shell
2. Shell Oil Company USA = everything Shell i.e. fuels, industrial, and automotive lubricants.
3. Royal Dutch Shell through Shell Oil Company USA buys the Pennzoil-Quaker State Company and all of its subsidiaries.
4. Shell Oil Company USA decides to separate the automotive products from the fuels, industrial, and commercial products.
5. Shell calls the new division SOPUS which stands for Shell Oil Products United States.
6. SOPUS = everything automotive with Shell Oil Company USA, which includes Pennzoil, Quaker State, Formula Shell, Gumout, Snap, Rain-X, Medo, and about 8 other automotive products.

Now, at one time many, many years ago, Speciality Oil was a division of the old Quaker State Company and they did make oil for Wal Mart, it was called Tech-2000. They also made a 2-cycle oil by the name of Itasca which was also packaged for Wal Mart. Now, everyone who had anything to do with Wal Mart knew that these oils were made and packaged by Speciality Oil and that it was a division of Quaker State. However as I stated in another post, after the Pennzoil Quaker State merger, Speciality Oil was sold. Now, when another one of these expert slams comes along and some bozo who lets trees lay in his yard for months is told by some Wal Mart contact (and lord we only know who that might be) tells him the 2-cycle oil is made by Shell, well that person was wrong. All I can assume is that at one time the Speciality Division of Quaker State who made Itasca oil for Walmart, and since Shell now owns the Quaker State brand, someone assumed that Shell made the 2-cycle oil and they were wrong. When Shell told the tree cutter that what he sent in was not their product, they were probably telling him the truth. If he would have bought another small bottle of the oil and sent it in, they would have told him the same thing. Shell does not supply 2-cycle oil to Wal Mart.

Now if you want to believe the oil at Wal Mart is the same as the other products Shell makes, go ahead, knock yourself out.

Thanks for the info, but I don't think anything you posted is new information.

My agenda is to find out who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil, and I thought that was obvious. Some people seem to have an agenda of accusing people trying to get the answer to that question (and similar questions) as having an ulterior motive. For me it is mostly fun detective work. Who knows, maybe Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic is an excellent motor oil that is a great bargain? I think many people are looking for the best value in a motor oil, including myself.

I prefer facts over brand loyalty, rumor, wishful thinking, etc. No conclusions yet on this one, just some interesting connections and some interesting leads.

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#1404031 - 03/15/09 04:07 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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I was hoping Johnny would weigh in. Finding out who makes the oil is a small part of the puzzle. Finding the exact chemical analysis is the other part. For the sake of argument, lets say we were 100% certain Shell made the product. Do you think they would take their Flagship Product sell it in its exact formula to be packaged under another brand name to be sold cheap in Wal-mart? I seriously doubt it.
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#1404044 - 03/15/09 04:18 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: demarpaint]
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 Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I was hoping Johnny would weigh in. Finding out who makes the oil is a small part of the puzzle. Finding the exact chemical analysis is the other part. For the sake of argument, lets say we were 100% certain Shell made the product. Do you think they would take their Flagship Product sell it in its exact formula to be packaged under another brand name to be sold cheap in Wal-mart? I seriously doubt it.

That is a good point. But I don't even want to speculate one way or the other quite yet. The first step is to find out who makes it, and then the other question can be addressed if some facts can be obtained to support a conclusion one way or the other.

As to why they would want to sell their oil for a Walmart branded product, it would depend on whether it is profitable for Shell to do so. There is a lot of advertising, marketing, and distribution cost built into the Pennzoil and Quaker State brands, so it could be very profitable. Obviously, even if they did, they wouldn't want it widely known that they provide product for Walmart SuperTech (if in fact they do). This same dilemma exists for many other products and companies.

Edit: Same question could be raised about Mobil. Why do they sell PAO to their competitors? Because it is very profitable to do so.


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#1404046 - 03/15/09 04:22 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Johnny]
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 Originally Posted By: Johnny
Shell does not supply 2-cycle oil to Wal Mart.


The MSDS dated Aug 2007 for the Super Tech Marine TC-W3 lists SOPUS as the supplier.

http://msds.walmartstores.com/applications/viewpage.aspx?doc_Num=344019
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#1404048 - 03/15/09 04:25 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
Who knows, maybe Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic is an excellent motor oil that is a great bargain?


According to the UOA's I've seen, it does quite well.

Now, I'm not sure if it was the WPP oil or not (if there are even any suppliers other than WPP for the synthetic)
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#1404058 - 03/15/09 04:32 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
Who knows, maybe Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic is an excellent motor oil that is a great bargain?


According to the UOA's I've seen, it does quite well.

Now, I'm not sure if it was the WPP oil or not (if there are even any suppliers other than WPP for the synthetic)

Like I posted earlier, I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.

That is part of the answer as to why a major oil company would sell product to be used as a Walmart house brand. Because if they sell it in bulk, and it is bottled by WPP, then it's not likely to hurt sales of their branded product.

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#1404059 - 03/15/09 04:33 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
My agenda is to find out who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil, and I thought that was obvious.


I don't know about other areas, but WPP most certainly makes the ST syn here in the north east. ST syn = WPP's "Mag 1" oils. I have all the old tech sheets on both the syn and older syn blends. Whom ever makes it. Expect a grpIII syn with a mild add-pack. It shows decent UOA's and *used to be* cheap. I'd rather use Q-TP for $15 or Q-HP for $18. IMO, none of the ST oils are the great deal they used to be. Up here, the ST dino is XOM oil. I have these tech sheets too, but again, $10 for ST or $10.50 for QS...why would anyone buy ST anymore?
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#1404060 - 03/15/09 04:34 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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The WPP bottles all look the same, but there are Super Tech bottles sold in other parts of the country that have a different shape to them. Some of them are the Mobil Clean 5000 shaped bottles, so I really doubt those are bottled by WPP.
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#1404061 - 03/15/09 04:35 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.


Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

IMO, WPP is not big enough to supply the entire country's WM's with motor oil.
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#1404068 - 03/15/09 04:39 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I don't disagree with you at all about your claim of the source of the oil. But look at the bottom of the container and tell me if you see a WPP embossed on the plastic?

My claim is that WPP buys the oil in bulk and bottles it for Walmart (and maybe others). Sometimes they get the oil from a major oil company like XOM.

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#1404070 - 03/15/09 04:42 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
The WPP bottles all look the same, but there are Super Tech bottles sold in other parts of the country that have a different shape to them. Some of them are the Mobil Clean 5000 shaped bottles, so I really doubt those are bottled by WPP.

OK, maybe you are right about that. Look at the bottom of the container and see if there is a WPP embossed in the plastic.

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#1404075 - 03/15/09 04:47 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: Johnny
Shell does not supply 2-cycle oil to Wal Mart.


The MSDS dated Aug 2007 for the Super Tech Marine TC-W3 lists SOPUS as the supplier.

http://msds.walmartstores.com/applications/viewpage.aspx?doc_Num=344019



Well, there you go. What the heck do I know, I'm retired, old, and out of touch. We have a member on this site by the name of Ferndog who says he is in product development for Shell, Pennzoil, and Quaker State.

From now on I relinquish all Shell information to be addressed to him. I will start posting in he general and off topic section and only then if it has anything to to with grandkids, as I'm an expert on that.

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#1404076 - 03/15/09 04:48 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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Warren makes Super Tech synthetic. The item number for the 10w30 is WM13FHPL. The item number for Warren's Mag 1 synthetic 10w30 is MG13FHPL. They are the same oil.

http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/36161_1.pdf

http://216.81.211.106/MSDSweb/000096E4.pdf
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#1404078 - 03/15/09 04:48 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
My claim is that WPP buys the oil in bulk and bottles it for Walmart (and maybe others). Sometimes they get the oil from a major oil company like XOM.


Negative. I knew to get the XOM tech sheets because the bottles are of the XOM design and have the "G" imprint on the bottom.
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#1404081 - 03/15/09 04:51 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: G-MAN]
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 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Warren makes Super Tech synthetic. The item number for the 10w30 is WM13FHPL. The item number for Warren's Mag 1 synthetic 10w30 is MG13FHPL. They are the same oil.

http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/36161_1.pdf

http://216.81.211.106/MSDSweb/000096E4.pdf

Did you see this Link to MSDS for SUPER TECH Full Syntetic Motor Oil?
http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/347432.pdf

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#1404085 - 03/15/09 04:55 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Negative. I knew to get the XOM tech sheets because the bottles are of the XOM design and have the "G" imprint on the bottom.

Thanks for the info. I guess that Walmart doesn't like to single source stuff, as others have said, so they can squeeze suppliers for the best price. Toyota is also good at doing that, having two suppliers for most every part.

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#1404088 - 03/15/09 04:57 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Warren makes Super Tech synthetic. The item number for the 10w30 is WM13FHPL. The item number for Warren's Mag 1 synthetic 10w30 is MG13FHPL. They are the same oil.

http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/36161_1.pdf

http://216.81.211.106/MSDSweb/000096E4.pdf

Did you see this Link to MSDS for SUPER TECH Full Syntetic Motor Oil?
http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/347432.pdf


Yes. Look at the dates.

Also, Wal-Mart uses different suppliers in different parts of the country. In the South, Warren is the supplier of Super Tech lubricants.

The only way to know for sure is look at the ink stamped number on the bottle. If it has a W in front of it, it's Warren.
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#1404090 - 03/15/09 04:59 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Johnny]
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 Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, there you go. What the heck do I know, I'm retired, old, and out of touch. We have a member on this site by the name of Ferndog who says he is in product development for Shell, Pennzoil, and Quaker State.

From now on I relinquish all Shell information to be addressed to him. I will start posting in he general and off topic section and only then if it has anything to to with grandkids, as I'm an expert on that.


No worries, Johnny. Things change, even in a short time.
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#1404091 - 03/15/09 05:00 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.


Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

IMO, WPP is not big enough to supply the entire country's WM's with motor oil.
I think your mistaken. He are msds on Warren's site for Exxon-Mobil. They must be packaging it for them.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds.php
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#1404092 - 03/15/09 05:00 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: G-MAN]
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 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Yes. Look at the dates.

Also, Wal-Mart uses different suppliers in different parts of the country. In the South, Warren is the supplier of Super Tech lubricants.

The only way to know for sure is look at the ink stamped number on the bottle. If it has a W in front of it, it's Warren.


Up here in the North (at least my part of the north) all of the Super Tech conventional, high mileage and synthetic oils are WPP.
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#1404093 - 03/15/09 05:02 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
chevrofreak Offline


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 Originally Posted By: brian12
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.


Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

IMO, WPP is not big enough to supply the entire country's WM's with motor oil.
I think your mistaken. He are msds on Warren's site for Exxon-Mobil. They must be packaging it for them.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds.php


For some strange reason, WPP has MSDS's on their site for products they don't make.
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#1404096 - 03/15/09 05:05 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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 Originally Posted By: brian12
I think your mistaken. He are msds on Warren's site for Exxon-Mobil. They must be packaging it for them.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds.php


Or...they're distrubuting it for them, again, depending on the location. If WPP moves one bottle, they need to list the MSDS.
Listing an MSDS doesn't mean they make it/bottle it.
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#1404098 - 03/15/09 05:05 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: brian12
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.


Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

IMO, WPP is not big enough to supply the entire country's WM's with motor oil.
I think your mistaken. He are msds on Warren's site for Exxon-Mobil. They must be packaging it for them.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds.php


For some strange reason, WPP has MSDS's on their site for products they don't make.
They must be bottling it for them. Would be just plain insanity otherwise. They must be involved in the process somewhere along the line.


Edited by brian12 (03/15/09 05:06 PM)
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#1404099 - 03/15/09 05:06 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
For some strange reason, WPP has MSDS's on their site for products they don't make.


They do that because they have to. Their evironmental health and safety officer has the MSDS sheets for the cleaner they use on the pooper.
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#1404100 - 03/15/09 05:06 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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#1404104 - 03/15/09 05:07 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: G-MAN]
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 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Yes. Look at the dates.

Also, Wal-Mart uses different suppliers in different parts of the country. In the South, Warren is the supplier of Super Tech lubricants.

The only way to know for sure is look at the ink stamped number on the bottle. If it has a W in front of it, it's Warren.

Here is a newer MSDS for SuperTech Synthetic 10W-30 dated 07/07/2008:
http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/598057.pdf
It shows Specialty Oil Company (Sopus) as the manufacturer/supplier. However, I can see now that there are probably different suppliers in different parts of the country.

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#1404105 - 03/15/09 05:08 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
For some strange reason, WPP has MSDS's on their site for products they don't make.


They do that because they have to. Their evironmental health and safety officer has the MSDS sheets for the cleaner they use on the pooper.
LMFAO, they must use mobil products in their company vehicles then.
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#1404110 - 03/15/09 05:10 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
chevrofreak Offline


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 Originally Posted By: brian12
 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: brian12
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.


Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

IMO, WPP is not big enough to supply the entire country's WM's with motor oil.
I think your mistaken. He are msds on Warren's site for Exxon-Mobil. They must be packaging it for them.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds.php


For some strange reason, WPP has MSDS's on their site for products they don't make.
They must be bottling it for them. Would be just plain insanity otherwise. They must be involved in the process somewhere along the line.


If you search oil on that MSDS query page it lists all kinds of products that they have no involvement in making or bottling. Pennzoil motor oil as an example.
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#1404113 - 03/15/09 05:12 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
[quote=brian12]Or...they're distrubuting it for them, again, depending on the location. If WPP moves one bottle, they need to list the MSDS.
Listing an MSDS doesn't mean they make it/bottle it.

I agree. WPP is also a distribution company. So they distribute finished product that is manufactured and bottled by the major oil companies.

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#1404117 - 03/15/09 05:13 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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I work in a FDA validated facility. We have cabinets upon cabinets of MSDS sheets for EVERYTHING! Environmental health and safety is HUGE these days. Typically, anything that comes into the building requires an MSDS. I would bet dollars to donuts that a distributor like WPP follows similar practices.

Either way, that's the beauty of ST oils. You never quite know who the [censored] makes it, exactly. You have a good idea most of the time though.

It's still a poopty deal at $17

Bring back the $4.96/jug dino!!!
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#1404119 - 03/15/09 05:15 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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I would bet that they have MSDS's for these products because they run tests on them to see how their own products stack up.
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#1404120 - 03/15/09 05:15 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: brian12
 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
 Originally Posted By: brian12
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
I think that WPP bottles and distributes all SuperTech products, even the ones that they don't make.


Nope. XOM makes/bottles ST dino up here. The XOM tech sheets I have indicate "Walmart ST oil".

IMO, WPP is not big enough to supply the entire country's WM's with motor oil.
I think your mistaken. He are msds on Warren's site for Exxon-Mobil. They must be packaging it for them.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds.php


For some strange reason, WPP has MSDS's on their site for products they don't make.
They must be bottling it for them. Would be just plain insanity otherwise. They must be involved in the process somewhere along the line.


If you search oil on that MSDS query page it lists all kinds of products that they have no involvement in making or bottling. Pennzoil motor oil as an example.
Take a look here under what we sell. Lists Mobil, Castrol, Shell just to name a few. They must be involved somehow. http://www.wd-wpp.com/linecard.html
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#1404122 - 03/15/09 05:17 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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Here is a list of all name brand finished products that WPP distributes, but I assume has nothing to do with the manufacture or bottling of:
http://www.wd-wpp.com/linecard-list.html

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#1404124 - 03/15/09 05:18 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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If they are not packaging those products for those companies could they be blending it for them?
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#1404127 - 03/15/09 05:18 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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 Originally Posted By: brian12
Take a look here under what we sell. Lists Mobil, Castrol, Shell just to name a few. They must be involved somehow. http://www.wd-wpp.com/linecard.html

Wpp does distribution, so small/medium sized chains don't have to have their own warehouses.

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#1404129 - 03/15/09 05:20 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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 Originally Posted By: brian12
If they are not packaging those products for those companies could they be blending it for them?

In most cases I would say no, they are doing pure warehouse distribution.

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#1404132 - 03/15/09 05:22 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
Wpp does distribution, so small/medium sized chains don't have to have their own warehouses.


Probably. They are already going to WM, so it makes sense for even the larger companies like XOM, SOPUS, or whom ever to go through the WPP distribution for simple logistical reasons. It's all about $$$ savings and maximum profit.
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#1404144 - 03/15/09 05:31 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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Hey Mark, I have to say Kudos to you for your research and thought on this. I expected the typical "who makes ST oil" thread and this one was the most informational we've had in a long time.

\:\!
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#1404155 - 03/15/09 05:36 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Hey Mark, I have to say Kudos to you for your research and thought on this. I expected the typical "who makes ST oil" thread and this one was the most informational we've had in a long time. \:\!

Thanks, but it gets more confusing the longer we look at it.

I have always believed that being an informed consumer is a valuable thing.

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#1404349 - 03/15/09 08:51 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Negative. I knew to get the XOM tech sheets because the bottles are of the XOM design and have the "G" imprint on the bottom.


By the way, the "G" is for Graham Packaging. They make plastic containers for many oil companies and virtually anything else that comes in plastic bottles.
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#1404364 - 03/15/09 09:07 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I was hoping Johnny would weigh in. Finding out who makes the oil is a small part of the puzzle. Finding the exact chemical analysis is the other part. For the sake of argument, lets say we were 100% certain Shell made the product. Do you think they would take their Flagship Product sell it in its exact formula to be packaged under another brand name to be sold cheap in Wal-mart? I seriously doubt it.

That is a good point. But I don't even want to speculate one way or the other quite yet. The first step is to find out who makes it, and then the other question can be addressed if some facts can be obtained to support a conclusion one way or the other.

As to why they would want to sell their oil for a Walmart branded product, it would depend on whether it is profitable for Shell to do so. There is a lot of advertising, marketing, and distribution cost built into the Pennzoil and Quaker State brands, so it could be very profitable. Obviously, even if they did, they wouldn't want it widely known that they provide product for Walmart SuperTech (if in fact they do). This same dilemma exists for many other products and companies.

Edit: Same question could be raised about Mobil. Why do they sell PAO to their competitors? Because it is very profitable to do so.


It would be very profitable to sell to Walmart, however I seriously doubt they would take their Flagship product in its exact chemical make up and re-bottle it. I would think it would be a lower grade product, because if it was ever found out that the exact same product was under a different label it would do Shell/Mobil more harm than good.

This is typical of paint compaines as well, they sell product under different labels to stores using a store brand label. It is not the same quality product even though for the sake of Argument Sherwin Williams, or Muralo makes it. My guy sells re-labeled Muralo paint under his own label, it is nowhere near the same quality.

I suspect this to be the same deal. That would be specualtion until a complete chemical analysis comes in. Since I don't have the money nor desire to pay for the testing, I would stick to the brand name, and be pretty certain it would be of a better quality than something under a Walmart Label.
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#1404371 - 03/15/09 09:13 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Canawler]
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 Originally Posted By: Canawler
 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Negative. I knew to get the XOM tech sheets because the bottles are of the XOM design and have the "G" imprint on the bottom.


By the way, the "G" is for Graham Packaging. They make plastic containers for many oil companies and virtually anything else that comes in plastic bottles.


Yep, but so far (that I've seen), only Graham and CCC (Consolidated Container Company)has packaged the XOM ST oil sold at Walmart. Also remember that this may not apply to other areas of the country.
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#1404383 - 03/15/09 09:26 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock

Yep, but so far (that I've seen), only Graham and CCC (Consolidated Container Company)has packaged the XOM ST oil sold at Walmart. Also remember that this may not apply to other areas of the country.


I always wondered what the "CCC" stood for (but obviously not enough to look into it myself. )

Locally, Walmart's conventional oils are XOM except for 5w-20 which is WPP. High mileage and synthetic are made by WPP.

Also noticed a new white bottle for the synthetic instead of the silver.


.... I obviously spend way too much time in Walmart.
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#1404392 - 03/15/09 09:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Canawler]
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I'm pretty sure it is Warren right now....


Rumor I heard is that a change to mobil might be coming...


Mobil 1 gets an "update" and a drop to 21 bucks (I think)


Old mobil 1 (different add pack) becomes ST syn.

Old mobil 5000 (sounds like it will be dropped in favor of th 7500) would become ST dino.


Rumor, but...


It would make sense if mobil wants to win the price war. (More oil=lower price)
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#1404404 - 03/15/09 09:52 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: demarpaint]
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 Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It would be very profitable to sell to Walmart, however I seriously doubt they would take their Flagship product in its exact chemical make up and re-bottle it. I would think it would be a lower grade product, because if it was ever found out that the exact same product was under a different label it would do Shell/Mobil more harm than good.

This is typical of paint compaines as well, they sell product under different labels to stores using a store brand label. It is not the same quality product even though for the sake of Argument Sherwin Williams, or Muralo makes it. My guy sells re-labeled Muralo paint under his own label, it is nowhere near the same quality.

I suspect this to be the same deal. That would be specualtion until a complete chemical analysis comes in. Since I don't have the money nor desire to pay for the testing, I would stick to the brand name, and be pretty certain it would be of a better quality than something under a Walmart Label.

Those are valid points, but I assume that Shell doesn't think very many people would find out that some Walmart private label products are supplied by them, and they probably do make at least small changes in the formula just to create "plausible deniability" about whether the products are the same, if and when the subject ever came up.

But Walmart is the 800 lb gorilla of retail, and they wield enormous power. And Mobil is the 800 lb gorilla of synthetic oil (in the retail space), so Shell is in-between a rock and hard place in the synthetic retail market.

But I don't really like to speculate one way or the other. We will see where the facts take us. Maybe it won't take us anywhere.


Edited by Mark888 (03/15/09 09:53 PM)

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#1404411 - 03/15/09 09:58 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: daves87rs]
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 Originally Posted By: daves87rs
I'm pretty sure it is Warren right now....

Rumor I heard is that a change to mobil might be coming...

Mobil 1 gets an "update" and a drop to 21 bucks (I think)

Old mobil 1 (different add pack) becomes ST syn.

Old mobil 5000 (sounds like it will be dropped in favor of th 7500) would become ST dino.

Rumor, but...

It would make sense if mobil wants to win the price war. (More oil=lower price)

Mobil 1 has already started a price war, with the $10 rebate and the Advance Auto Parts sale.

With the dramatic drop in crude prices, expect to see prices of motor oil drop accross the board, even if formulas stay the same.

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#1404426 - 03/15/09 10:10 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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Loc: Michigan
 Originally Posted By: Mark888
 Originally Posted By: daves87rs
I'm pretty sure it is Warren right now....

Rumor I heard is that a change to mobil might be coming...

Mobil 1 gets an "update" and a drop to 21 bucks (I think)

Old mobil 1 (different add pack) becomes ST syn.

Old mobil 5000 (sounds like it will be dropped in favor of th 7500) would become ST dino.

Rumor, but...

It would make sense if mobil wants to win the price war. (More oil=lower price)

Mobil 1 has already started a price war, with the $10 rebate and the Advance Auto Parts sale.

With the dramatic drop in crude prices, expect to see prices of motor oil drop accross the board, even if formulas stay the same.



Yes, BUT expect Mobil to stay number one...and if they team up with walmart, things could get interesting...
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#1404458 - 03/15/09 10:56 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: demarpaint

. . . I would stick to the brand name, and be pretty certain it would be of a better quality than something under a Walmart Label.


I agree 100 percent.

 Originally Posted By: Mark888

Those are valid points, but I assume that Shell doesn't think very many people would find out that some Walmart private label products are supplied by them, and they probably do make at least small changes in the formula just to create "plausible deniability" about whether the products are the same, if and when the subject ever came up.


To a certain extent I would agree, although with the internet it makes it somewhat easier for people to find out stuff like this.

I know I have debated this same subject with others on other forums. It does seem to vary according to location.
I've noticed at my local Walmarts it even varies from time to time. Sometimes the bottles will have the WPP stamped in them - other times they will not!


Edited by oldmaninsc (03/15/09 10:57 PM)
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#1404465 - 03/15/09 11:11 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Hey Mark, I have to say Kudos to you for your research and thought on this. I expected the typical "who makes ST oil" thread and this one was the most informational we've had in a long time.

\:\!


+1

Now for some outloud thinking. How often does WalMart put out an oil contract? If it changes frequently would it benefit SOPUS or XOM to develop a product for WM or just bottle what they have? Meaning, would it be worth all the testing and $ to have a new oil certified for each viscosity, if it might change?

IMO what WM wants WM gets. And if that means PP in a ST bottle, they would get it.
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#1404484 - 03/15/09 11:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: gmctodd]
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From Warren Perfomance Products website... WPP Site

MANUFACTURING:
-In-house blow molding
-Computerized in-line blending
-Viscosity modifier solubolization
-In-house quality control lab
-Lean manufacturing
-6.5 million gallons fluid storage
-Synthetic Motor Oil
-Accel
-Mag 1
-Polar

PACKAGING:
-Custom design, private label
-In-house carton printing
-In-house label design
-State-of-the-art, high speed filling equipment
-780 different products packaged in our facilities under 40 different labels

DISTRIBUTION:
-Seamless Efficiency
-BOSS state-of-the-art warehouse management system
-1/2 mile powered sortation conveyor
-Paperless Radio Frequency order processing
-Ability to ship each case or pallet up to multiple truckloads
-Cross dock shipments for individual stores available


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#1404488 - 03/15/09 11:58 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: Mark888

With the dramatic drop in crude prices, expect to see prices of motor oil drop accross the board, even if formulas stay the same.


The price drops are already happening. I think every oil Walmart carries with the exception of Mobil 1 has come down in price from its high point.
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#1404490 - 03/16/09 12:12 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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WalMart QS price reductions are due to "new" QS products coming out. Havoline discounts were due to WalMart discontinuing carrying Havoline. Most other prices have been static as far as I can see. Might be a few pennies, but nothing like what most are looking for.

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#1404496 - 03/16/09 12:33 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: tenderloin]
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All Valvoline has come down in price as well. The Synpower is down to $21, Maxlife to $14, Premium Conventional to $13.50

Pennzoil has come down as well, except for Platinum.

The new QS oils are available here, now, and are selling for the same price as what they replaced.
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#1404584 - 03/16/09 06:39 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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Loc: Ohio
Oh my this is confusing I just changed the oil in my truck and put in WM supertech SYN 5w-30, because they were out of PP 5w-20. I am mad at my truck for constantly sticking it'ts tongue out at me with that frickn check engine light. (I have basically replaced the whole intake)

Anyway, here I think I am punishing the beast , and I may have been spoiling it . Oh dear.

While I am curious who makes it, and wonder if the confusion is on purpose so we don't catch on, it gave great UOA so I tried it in a pinch. For me the issue will be is there a benefit after a 5 K run to spend $8 more on PP. I will do a UOA after 5 K.
My worry would be, is there something different in the bottle everytime I buy it. (Although it seems name brand are constantly
fiddling with formulas as well)

Good luck with your quest M888


Edited by Cmarti (03/16/09 06:49 AM)

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#1404876 - 03/16/09 12:46 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Cmarti]
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When you type in MSDS# 9653 which is listed as the MSDS# for Super Tech full syn 10w-30 on a msds report from 7/7/08 you get this MG03135G MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL 00009653.pdf


Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
I. PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL
Product Code: MG03135G
Emergency Phone: (800) 424-9300 (202) 483-7616 (CHEMTREC)


Poison Control Center: (800) 222-1222
Company: Warren Distribution, Inc.
727 S. 13th St.
Omaha, NE 68102
Information Phone: (800) 825-1235 (402) 341-9397
Revision Number: 11
II. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical Name % CAS # OSHA Exposure Limits
Distillates, hydrotreated heavy paraffinic 60 - 90 64742-54-7 No PEL established
Distillates (petroleum), solvent-dewaxed heavy paraffinic 7 - 13 64742-65-0 No PEL established
Components not listed are not physical or health hazards as defined in 29 CFR 1910.1200 (Hazard Communication
Standard).
III. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
Immediate (Acute) Health Effects by Route of Exposure:
Inhalation Irritation: Inhalation of vapors (generated at high temperatures only) or oil mist may cause mild
irritation of the nose, throat, and respiratory tract.
Skin Contact: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the skin.
Eye Contact: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the eyes.
May cause slight irritation of the eyes.
Ingestion Irritation: Although this product has a low order of acute oral toxicity, aspiration of minute
amounts into the lungs during ingestion or vomiting may cause mild to severe pulmonary
injury and possibly death.
Ingestion Toxicity: Lubricating oils are generally no more than slightly toxic if swallowed.
Long-Term (Chronic) Health Effects:
Reproductive and
Developmental Toxicity:
No data available to indicate product or any components present at greater than
0.1% may cause birth defects.
Mutagenicity: No data available to indicate product or any components present at greater than
0.1% is mutagenic or genotoxic.
Skin Contact: Prolonged and repeated contact may result in defatting and drying of the skin
that may cause various skin disorders such as dermatitis, folliculitis, or oil acne.
Other adverse effects not expected from brief skin contact.
HMIS Ratings:
Health: 1
Flammability: 1
Reactivity: 0
PPE: B
0 - Least 1 - Slight 2 - Moderate 3 - High 4 - Extreme
IV. FIRST-AID MEASURES
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 1 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
Inhalation: Remove to fresh air. If breathing is difficult, have a trained individual administer oxygen. If
not breathing, give artificial respiration and have a trained individual administer oxygen.
Get medical attention immediately.
Eyes: Flush with water. If irritation occurs, get medical attention. Rest eyes for 30 minutes. If
redness, burning, blurred vision, or swelling occur, transport to nearest medical facility for
additional treatment.
Skin Contact: Remove contaminated clothing and shoes and wipe excess from skin. Flush skin with
water, then wash with soap and water. If irriation occurs, get medical attention. Do not
reuse clothing until cleaned. If redness, swelling, pain, and/or blisters occur, transport to
the nearest medical facility for additional treatment.
Ingestion: Minimal risk of harm if swallowed. Do not induce vomiting. Seek medical attention
immediately. Provide medical care provider with this MSDS.
Notes to Doctor: Aspiration during swallowing or vomiting may severely damage the lungs.
V. FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
Flammability Summary: Combustible at elevated temperatures
Extinguishing Media: Use alcohol resistant foam, carbon dioxide, or dry chemical when
fighting fires. Water or foam may cause frothing if liquid is burning but
it still may be a useful extinguishing agent if carefully applied to the
surface of the fire. Do Not direct a stream of water into the hot burning
liquid.
Fire and/or Explosion Hazards: Material may be ignited only if preheated to temperatures above the
high flash point, for example in a fire.
Fire Fighting Methods and Protection: Do not enter fire area without proper protection including selfcontained
breathing apparatus and full protective equipment. Use
methods for the surrounding fire.
Hazardous Combustion Products: Carbon dioxide, Carbon monoxide
Flash Point: 233 deg. C, [ 451 deg. F ]
Upper Flammable/Explosive Limit, % in air: 7.0
Lower Flammable/Explosive Limit, % in air: 9.0
VI. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
Personal Precautions and Equipment: No health affects expected from the clean-up of this material if contact
can be avoided. Follow personal protective equipment
recommendations found in Section VIII of this MSDS
Methods for Clean-up: Prevent the spread of any spill to minimize harm to human health and
the environment if safe to do so. Wear complete and proper personal
protective equipment following the recommendation of Section VIII at
a minimum. Dike with suitable absorbent material like granulated clay.
Gather and store in a sealed container pending a waste disposal
evaluation.
VII. HANDLING AND STORAGE
Handling Technical Measures and
Precautions:
Mildly irritating material. Avoid unnecessary exposure.
Storage Technical Measures and
Conditions:
Store in a cool dry ventilated location. Isolate from incompatible
materials and conditions. Keep container(s) closed. Do not expose to
extreme temperatures or flames.
VIII. EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 2 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
Engineering Measures: No exposure limits exist for the constituents of this product. No engineering controls
are likely to be required to maintain operator comfort under normal conditions of use.
Respiratory Protection: No respiratory protection required under normal conditions of use.
Respirator Type(s): None required where adequate ventilation is provided. If airborne concentrations are
above the applicable exposure limits, use NIOSH/MSHA approved respiratory
protection.
Eye Protection: Wear safety glasses when handling this product if there is a likelihood of contact with
eyes.
Skin Protection: Not normally considered a skin hazard. Where use can result in skin contact, practice
good personal hygiene. Wash hands and other exposed areas with mild soap and water
before eating, drinking, and when leaving work.
Gloves: Neoprene
Control Parameters:
Chemical Name ACGIH TLV-TWA ACGIH STEL IDLH
Distillates, hydrotreated heavy paraffinic No TLV ND
Distillates (petroleum), solvent-dewaxed heavy
paraffinic
No TLV ND
OSHA PEL TWA for oil mist is 5mg/m3, ACGIH TLV TWA for oil mist is 5mg/m3, ACGIH STEL for oil mist is
10mg/m3
IX. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
Physical State: Liquid
pH: ND
Solubility in Water: Insoluble
Evaporation Rate: 0.5-2 (n-Butyl acetate = 1)
Specific Gravity: 0.868
Bulk Density: 7.243
Flash Point: 233 deg. C
Upper Flammable/Explosive Limit,
% in air:
7.0
Lower Flammable/Explosive Limit,
% in air:
9.0
X. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
Stability: Stable under normal conditions.
Conditions to Avoid: Temperatures above the high flash point of this combustible
material in combination with sparks, open flames, or other
sources of ignition.
Materials to Avoid/Chemical Incompatibility: Strong oxidizing agents
Hazardous Decomposition Products: Carbon monoxide, sulfur oxides, aldehydes, and other
petroleum decomposition products in the case of incomplete
combustion. Oxides of nitrogen, phosphorus, calcium, copper,
magnesium, sodium, and hydrogen sulfide may also be present.
XI. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Component Toxicology Data (NIOSH):
Chemical Name CAS Number LD50/LC50
Petroleum distillates, hydrotreated heavy
paraffinic
64742-54-7 Inhalation LC50 Rat: 2.18 mg/L/4H; Oral LD50 Rat:>2000 mg/kg;
Dermal LD50 Rabbit:>2000 mg/kg
MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL Page 3 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet Revision Date: 2009-01-07 11:03:26
Petroleum distillates, solvent dewaxed
heavy paraffinic
64742-65-0 Inhalation LC50 Rat: 2.18 mg/L/4H; Oral LD50 Rat:>5000 mg/kg;
Dermal LD50 Rabbit:>2000 mg/kg
XII. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Overview: Moderate ecological hazard. This product may be dangerous to plants and/or
wildlife.
Mobility: No data
Persistence: No data
Bioaccumulation: No data
Degradability: No data
XIII. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
Disposal of Packaging: Recycle containers whenever possible.
Disposal Methods: Dispose of according to Federal, State, Local, or Provincial regulations. Recycle
used oil.
XIV. TRANSPORTATION INFORMATION
DOT & IMDG: NOT RESTRICTED
XV. REGULATORY INFORMATION
TSCA Status: All components of this material are on the US TSCA Inventory or are exempt.
NAFTA Tariff Code: 2710.19.0000
Chemical Name CAS # Regulation % Range
Toluene 108-88-3 SARA 313 0.001- 0.01
Toluene 108-88-3 CA Prop 65 - Dev.
toxicity
0.001- 0.01
XVI. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Disclaimer: This material safety data sheet and the information it contains is offered to you in good faith as accurate. We have reviewed
any information contained in the data sheet which we have received from outside sources and we believe the information to
be correct, but cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness. Health and safety precautions in this data sheet may not be
adequate for all individuals and/or situations. It is the user's obligation to evaluate and use this product in a safe manner and
to comply with all applicable laws and regulations. No statement made in this data sheet shall be construed as permission or
recommendation for the use of any product in a manner that might infringe existing patents. No warranty is made, either
expressed or implied.
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#1404881 - 03/16/09 12:53 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
Mark888 Offline


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Posts: 1084
Loc: Florida, USA
 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
When you type in MSDS# 9653 which is listed as the MSDS# for Super Tech full syn 10w-30 on a msds report from 7/7/08 you get this MG03135G MAG 1 10W30 MOTOR OIL 00009653.pdf

We are aware of that, and the PDF you copied has already been posted via a link.

There are multiple SuperTech Synthteic MSDS's on the Walmart MSDS webstie. Some are for MAG (Warren) and some are for Specialty Oil Company, which has been determined to be SOPUS, owend by Shell Oil. SOPUS includes Quaker State and Pennzoil.

We have not yet determined which MSDS applies to the current SuperTech Synthetic motor oil that is now on Walmart shelves in their retail stores.

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#1404888 - 03/16/09 01:14 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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Posts: 388
Loc: northeast
I was told by Tech Support at Royal Dutch Shell Corporation, (the makers of Quaker State, Pennzoil, and Rotella engine lubricants) that the Walmart brand of full synthetic oil (that is bottled by Warren Packaging Co. for Walmart), is supplied to Warren by Royal Dutch Shell, and is virtually "identical" to Pennzoil Platinum

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#1404890 - 03/16/09 01:14 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
Dan55 Offline


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Posts: 700
Loc: jersey
New type of bottle for ST(dino) (NY Metro) not WPP, code starts with a P. $10 for 5 qts, QS $10.50 for 5qts no real price advantage!!!
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#1404891 - 03/16/09 01:15 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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Posts: 6007
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
chrvrofreak The new QS synthetic is selling for $15-$18 for a 5 qt jug (the price of "old" QS Torque/Horsepower sold of late at Walmart)? Wow That is a good deal

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#1404900 - 03/16/09 01:29 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: tenderloin]
Dan55 Offline


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Posts: 700
Loc: jersey
ST SYN is selling for 17.50 5 qt at my local WM, no great price advantage.
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#1404958 - 03/16/09 02:27 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Dan55]
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I just spoke to a Ken from Warren and he told me that they are indeed the manufactuer of Super Tech Full Syn 10w-30 for Walmart. The oil for the east coast walmarts are blended at their Pittsburg.Pa. plant and shipped from that location, all other west of the mississipi will come from the california plant. fullsynthetic.pdf (598KB)est . He sent me the UOA of Mag 1 oil, which he said is basically the same and that was all he could give me. if I wanted the walmart info, I would need to contact them direct.

Benefits
Better engine protection than conventional motor oils in high temperature conditions.
Lower oil consumption in high temperature conditions.
Exceptional protection against thermal breakdown of oil and resultant deposits.
Exceptional wear protection in severe service conditions.
Outstanding engine start up protection and wear protection at low temperatures.
Protects against rust and corrosion typical of severe, low temperature stop-and-go driving.
API SL and ILSAC GF-3 approvals meet nearly every car makers warranty requirements.
Full Synthetic
Motor Oils
Typical Physical Properties of MAG 1 Full Synthetic Motor Oils
Test Method Typical Results
Viscosity Grade 5W-30 10W-30
Gravity, API ................................................ASTM D-287 ..........................34.6 ...............................33.8
Specific Gravity @ 60F (15.6 C) .................ASTM D-287 ..........................0.85 ...............................0.86
Viscosity
@ 40C, cSt ................................................ASTM D-445 ..........................56.7 ...............................63.4
@ 100C, cSt ..............................................ASTM D-445 ..........................10.3 ...............................10.3
Pour Point, C (F)..........................................ASTM D-97 .............................-48 .................................-45
Viscosity Index ..............................................ASTM D-2270.........................150 ................................140
Low Temperature Viscosity
cP at Temperature (C), Max ........................ASTM D-2602.................<4841 @ -30.................<4241 @ -25
High Temperature/High Shear Vis, cP ............ASTM D-4683 ........................2.92 ...............................3.12
NOACK Volatility, % off ..............................................................................<15................................<15
Full Synthetic Full Synthetic
5W-30 Motor Oil 10W-30 Motor Oil
Pack/Net Fill 6/32 Oz. 6/32 Oz.
Stock No./Item No. 703/MG53FNPL 513/MG13FHPL
Each UPC 0-71621-00703-7 0-71621-00513-2
Case UPC 0-71621-00704-4 0-71621-00514-9
Case SCC 1-00-71621-00703-4 1-00-71621-00513-9
Pack Dimensions L 9.5" x W 7.625" x H 9.625" L 9.5" x W 7.625" x H 9.625"
Pack Cubes (Ft.3) .403 .403
Pack Weight (lbs.) 11.84 11.84
Pallet Stack 138 Cases (6 layers of 23) 138 Cases (6 layers of 23) @

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#1404962 - 03/16/09 02:33 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
Mark888 Offline


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 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
I just spoke to a Ken from Warren and he told me that they are indeed the manufactuer of Super Tech Full Syn 10w-30 for Walmart.

Did he say where they got the components and formula to blend?

Does this contradict what the Shell person told you earlier, or are they blending Shell products, etc?

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#1404969 - 03/16/09 02:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
I was told by Tech Support at Royal Dutch Shell Corporation, (the makers of Quaker State, Pennzoil, and Rotella engine lubricants) that the Walmart brand of full synthetic oil (that is bottled by Warren Packaging Co. for Walmart), is supplied to Warren by Royal Dutch Shell, and is virtually "identical" to Pennzoil Platinum


I would sure like to have this tech support persons name.

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#1404988 - 03/16/09 03:00 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Johnny]
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Johnny FWIW, I just called Shell and talked to one of their tech reps. She stated they did not have or even if they did have would not release such information as to what they do for what company. Makes sense to me.

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#1404990 - 03/16/09 03:02 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: tenderloin]
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My thoughts exactly.

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#1405002 - 03/16/09 03:08 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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I am working on finding out where they get the components from..will pass it on as soon as I find out..

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#1405007 - 03/16/09 03:14 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
Mark888 Offline


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My guess is that WPP may not want to disclose that either, since it would probably violate an agreement they have with the supplier.

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#1405017 - 03/16/09 03:21 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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 Quote:
I just spoke to a Ken from Warren and he told me that they are indeed the manufactuer of Super Tech Full Syn 10w-30 for Walmart.


lucerne06,

Could you ask if this applies to the 5w30 synthetic as well?

I just got back from my WM and every bottle of ST in the store was WPP other than the dino 5w30. it was in a bottle shaped like the Mobil products.
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#1405037 - 03/16/09 03:49 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
I just spoke to a Ken from Warren and he told me that they are indeed the manufactuer of Super Tech Full Syn 10w-30 for Walmart. The oil for the east coast walmarts are blended at their Pittsburg.Pa. plant and shipped from that location, all other west of the mississipi will come from the california plant. fullsynthetic.pdf (598KB)est . He sent me the UOA of Mag 1 oil, which he said is basically the same and that was all he could give me.


Which is pretty much what was found out a few years ago, that ST synth (not dino nor blend) was "pretty much" or "the" same as Mag-1.

So nothing has changed....
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#1405038 - 03/16/09 03:49 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: gmctodd]
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But even if WPP packages it, or blends it, we want to know where the get the synthetic from.

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#1405049 - 03/16/09 03:57 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
Johnny Offline


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Well, if they blend it, they buy the base stocks from someone and whatever additive package they are using from the additive supplier.

Now I will give you a scenario. Let's just say they buy their base stock from Shell Oil, and their additive package from Lubrizoil, mix the two together. You have a synthetic no where close in anyway shape or form to Pennzoil Platinum as some have stated.

I'm still waiting for the other fellow on here to provide the contact name at the "Royal Dutch Shell Tech Dept".


Edited by Johnny (03/16/09 03:58 PM)

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#1405053 - 03/16/09 04:01 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Johnny]
Mark888 Offline


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 Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, if they blend it, they buy the base stocks from someone and whatever additive package they are using from the additive supplier.

Now I will give you a scenario. Let's just say they buy their base stock from Shell Oil, and their additive package from Lubrizoil, mix the two together. You have a synthetic no where close in anyway shape or form to Pennzoil Platinum as some have stated.

I'm still waiting for the other fellow on her to provide the contact name at the "Royal Dutch Shell Tech Dept".

Another possibility is that Shell provides the base stock and tells them what to put in for additives that they purchase themselves. It doesn't appear that WPP has the technical expertise or R&D to make a good synthetic on their own without some help. So in this scenario, it could be close, which may be why the Shell Tech person said what he did (if he said it).

I don't think you are going to find out who said that, because obviously he shouldn't have disclosed that even if it were true.

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#1405065 - 03/16/09 04:20 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
Johnny Offline


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Shell as well as Mobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Petro Canada, and a few other sell base stocks to all of the smaller speciality oil companies or blenders. None of them tell the blender what additives to put in these base stocks. The additive companies tell the blenders what additives to put in these base stocks. It's what's called a canned additive package. I will use Lubrizoil again for an example since they are one of the largest. Said blender calls up Lubrizoil and says I have this Group II or III base stock from XYZ oil company and the VIS on the base stock is ***. I need an additive package to blend up some xW-30 oil. Lubrizoil then sells them a premixed additive to accomplish this.

Now since everyone or some want to believe that Shell is selling bulk Platinum to be packaged for Wal Mart, I will tell you now that is just not happening.

1. Platinum is Shell's premium proprietary synthetic motor oil. The base stock is not just any old Group III but Shell's XHVI Group III base stock. There is no canned additive package in it. It has additives from three different additive companies, and none of them or Lubrizoil.

2. Platinum is only packaged by Shell at two Shell packaging plants. No one else in this country packages it for them and they do not sell it in bulk for any other oil brand or label.

And finally, if someone is going to make statements or claims, please get them correct. There is no such place in the United States of America as the "Royal Dutch Shell Tech Department".


Edited by Johnny (03/16/09 04:24 PM)

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#1405070 - 03/16/09 04:24 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
I was told by Tech Support at Royal Dutch Shell Corporation, (the makers of Quaker State, Pennzoil, and Rotella engine lubricants) that the Walmart brand of full synthetic oil (that is bottled by Warren Packaging Co. for Walmart), is supplied to Warren by Royal Dutch Shell, and is virtually "identical" to Pennzoil Platinum


I do know that they smell nearly identical, but the UOA and VOA's say different.
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#1405086 - 03/16/09 04:36 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: chevrofreak]
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 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I do know that they smell nearly identical, but the UOA and VOA's say different.


Looks like we'll need to taste it to make sure.
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#1405127 - 03/16/09 05:08 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Johnny]
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I called Warren a few years ago after the Mobil type packaging changed. I could not get them to admit anything other than they had a quality product. Pennzoil did manufacture WM ST (Dino) but that was SK oil!
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#1405132 - 03/16/09 05:12 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
lucerne06 Offline


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Here is my reply from Ken at WPP.

"From several different sources was all they would say; the exact ingredient recipe is something we present to Walmart and they agreed upon".

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#1405191 - 03/16/09 05:56 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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It doesn't matter who actually makes it, but the product is great, it works, and (until lately) it was way cheaper.

Now everyone here ran UOA on it, confirmed it was great, it is now Wally Marts number one seller, and now CEO of Wally Mart wants one of them bonuses for himself - he was just looking at a new yacht, and wants a 25,000 square foot extension to his mansion, to be used as a private movie viewing room.

So since it is just as good as any of the other name brands, but there is no advertising budget, the profit on it is just as high
or higher than any name brand. like GWB said "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

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#1405212 - 03/16/09 06:12 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: scoobie]
Mark888 Offline


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 Originally Posted By: scoobie
It doesn't matter who actually makes it, but the product is great, it works, and (until lately) it was way cheaper.

Now everyone here ran UOA on it, confirmed it was great, it is now Wally Marts number one seller, and now CEO of Wally Mart wants one of them bonuses for himself - he was just looking at a new yacht, and wants a 25,000 square foot extension to his mansion, to be used as a private movie viewing room.

So since it is just as good as any of the other name brands, but there is no advertising budget, the profit on it is just as high
or higher than any name brand. like GWB said "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

Yep, same as the store brand items in almost every grocery store in the country. And if one big name brand won't make it for them, another one will.

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#1405238 - 03/16/09 06:28 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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 Originally Posted By: scoobie
So since it is just as good as any of the other name brands...


 Originally Posted By: Mark888
Yep, same as the store brand items in almost every grocery store in the country. And if one big name brand won't make it for them, another one will.


Guys, I've used ST oils for a long time and while they are pretty good, I wouldn't put their syn in the same league as PP, Synpower, Syntec, or M1. The ST Syn shows good UOA's, but the add pack is still on the bland side.
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#1405495 - 03/16/09 10:35 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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anyone see this???

Wal-Mart, Warren To Pay $357K To Settle Oil Labeling Case
5 Counties Join Forces In Suit Over Alleged Violations

POSTED: 7:01 am PST January 23, 2009

Monterey County District Attorney Dean D. Flippo announced this week that his office, along with the District Attorneys of Sonoma, Napa, Shasta, and Solano counties reached a settlement in a civil law enforcement action filed against Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. and Warren Distribution, Inc. for alleged labeling violations related to Wal-Marts SuperTech Gear Oil.

Warren Distribution, a Nebraska corporation, manufactured the gear oil for Wal-Marts SuperTech brand.

According to a news release, an investigation by state and local Weights and Measures officials found that the 85W-140 and 75W-140 SuperTech gear oils did not meet advertised viscosity levels.

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#1405499 - 03/16/09 10:41 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
anyone see this???

Wal-Mart, Warren To Pay $357K To Settle Oil Labeling Case
5 Counties Join Forces In Suit Over Alleged Violations

POSTED: 7:01 am PST January 23, 2009

Monterey County District Attorney Dean D. Flippo announced this week that his office, along with the District Attorneys of Sonoma, Napa, Shasta, and Solano counties reached a settlement in a civil law enforcement action filed against Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. and Warren Distribution, Inc. for alleged labeling violations related to Wal-Marts SuperTech Gear Oil.

Warren Distribution, a Nebraska corporation, manufactured the gear oil for Wal-Marts SuperTech brand.

According to a news release, an investigation by state and local Weights and Measures officials found that the 85W-140 and 75W-140 SuperTech gear oils did not meet advertised viscosity levels.
Old news.
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#1406391 - 03/17/09 08:04 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: brian12]
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we all saw that gear oil problem already - point is that no one's vehicle was actually ruined. probably an employee fell asleep and by accident the wrong viscosity went in the wrong bottle, or something. For example my Dakota calls for 75w140, but it would probably run just fine with 75w110, probably run fine even with 75w90. I notice some F150's actually call for 75w90.


Edited by scoobie (03/17/09 08:05 PM)

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#1406480 - 03/17/09 09:22 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: lucerne06]
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 Originally Posted By: lucerne06
anyone see this???

Wal-Mart, Warren To Pay $357K To Settle Oil Labeling Case
5 Counties Join Forces In Suit Over Alleged Violations

POSTED: 7:01 am PST January 23, 2009

Monterey County District Attorney Dean D. Flippo announced this week that his office, along with the District Attorneys of Sonoma, Napa, Shasta, and Solano counties reached a settlement in a civil law enforcement action filed against Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. and Warren Distribution, Inc. for alleged labeling violations related to Wal-Marts SuperTech Gear Oil.

Warren Distribution, a Nebraska corporation, manufactured the gear oil for Wal-Marts SuperTech brand.

According to a news release, an investigation by state and local Weights and Measures officials found that the 85W-140 and 75W-140 SuperTech gear oils did not meet advertised viscosity levels.


Warren actually caught this problem and only a handful of product made it to a few Wal-Mart stores in one county in California. It was not that big of a deal. It was the same sort of internal quality control issues any blender faces on a daily basis.
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#1408631 - 03/19/09 09:33 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I was in Wal-Mart tonight and I noticed there is now more Super Tech oil in XOM bottles than in the conventional looking bottles. So it appears XOM is squeezing out Warren as the supplier of Super Tech oil in this area.

The synthetic and syn blend is still in Warren bottles.
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#1408706 - 03/19/09 10:58 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: G-MAN]
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 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I was in Wal-Mart tonight and I noticed there is now more Super Tech oil in XOM bottles than in the conventional looking bottles. So it appears XOM is squeezing out Warren as the supplier of Super Tech oil in this area.

The synthetic and syn blend is still in Warren bottles.



I'm thinking that is going to happen here soon....
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#1408865 - 03/20/09 05:48 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: G-MAN]
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 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I was in Wal-Mart tonight and I noticed there is now more Super Tech oil in XOM bottles than in the conventional looking bottles. So it appears XOM is squeezing out Warren as the supplier of Super Tech oil in this area.

The synthetic and syn blend is still in Warren bottles.


That may not be the case. About a year and a half ago, I noticed the XOM bottles being replaced by WPP. It's been back to XOM for a while now. Sometimes there are changes in distribution and availability.
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#1408980 - 03/20/09 08:59 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Zaedock]
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 Originally Posted By: Zaedock
 Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I was in Wal-Mart tonight and I noticed there is now more Super Tech oil in XOM bottles than in the conventional looking bottles. So it appears XOM is squeezing out Warren as the supplier of Super Tech oil in this area.

The synthetic and syn blend is still in Warren bottles.


That may not be the case. About a year and a half ago, I noticed the XOM bottles being replaced by WPP. It's been back to XOM for a while now. Sometimes there are changes in distribution and availability.



That is what I was hearing, but I have not seen those bottles yet.
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#1409534 - 03/20/09 06:02 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: daves87rs]
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In the three Wally World stores that I visit it's pretty much like G-Man said. WPP makes the ST 5W20 and the ST Synthetic, every other weight appears by bottle, to be XOM. Having said that, at least in my area, it's been that way for quite some time.

But, as has been pointed out, for 50 cents more a jug than ST, I can get Quaker State Green and QS HP Synthetic. And, unlike QS, no ST ($2.27qt) jug in 5W20. So, it's been QS for me lately.

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#2126216 - 01/03/11 08:29 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: sayjac]
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what is the situation with Supertech right now ? any news ?

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#2126283 - 01/03/11 09:25 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
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If Walmart synthetic oils are made by Chevron then that's fine with me cuz Chevron produces excellent motors oil wether dino or synthetic. If it's Shell then that fits me fine too cuz Shell make good stuff too. Regardless of the brand both make excellent lubes so how picky can one be????

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#2135904 - 01/12/11 01:08 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
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Warren must bottle of lot of "Store Brand" oils for retailers, Auto Parts Stores. The Advance Discount Auto Pure Synthetic oils are also bottle by Warren. They might be SOPUS base oils and the add packs may vary or else they are all supplied by the same supplier.

It very well could be that the AA Pure Synthetic is the same as the WM Super-tech Synthetic. The only way to possibly know is through a VOA.

IMO....the Supertech Dino is made by Quaker State, another SOPUS product and bottled by Warren.
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#2135941 - 01/12/11 04:23 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: Mark888]
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I guess I don't know who makes it, but it's the same as Mag 1 full syn.

Mag 1 5W-30 full syn



5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil
API SN, SM, SL, & ILSAC GF-5, GF-4 Suitable for use where GM 4718M was previoulsy recommend

1. dot 6/1-Quart

5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil

Formulated to exceed ILSAC GF-5 performance requirements Mag 1 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil meets GM 4718M Corvette Specs.

Benefits of Mag 1 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil include:

* Formulated with High Phosphate Retention ZDP for extended wear performance
* Improved Fuel Economy

Inspection Data Typical Physical Properties of
MAG 1 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil
Specific Gravity @ 60F (15.6C) 0.8522
Viscosity @ 40C cSt 63.95
Viscosity @ 100C cSt 10.93
Viscosity Index 163
Pour Point C (F) -45C (-49F)
Color 2.5
Cold Cranking Simulator at (C), cP 4800 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100C, cP 7.15
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150C, cP 3.2
Noack Volatility, % loss 10.5
Calcium, wt. % 0.169
Zinc, wt. % 0.091
Phosphorus, wt. % 0.079
Sulfur, wt. % 0.252
Boron, wt. % 0.023
Molybdenum, wt. % 0.0079
Sulfated Ash, wt. % 0.92
Nitrogen, wt. % 0.102
Pumping Viscosity at (C), cP 18,400 (-35)
Shear Stability 9.43
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL 0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL 0/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL 0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam 0/0
Copper Strip Corrosion (3 hrs@100C) 1a
Gravity, API 34.54
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#2137254 - 01/13/11 11:01 AM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oils? [Re: HARTZSKY]
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Ive ran Super Tech synthetic 12,000 miles with one of those 7000 mile Fram filters. There was guys who come in to get an oil change, Air Force folks from Dyess AFB, which are usualy very particular about their cars, bring in their Vettes, their 350Z's and get Super Tech.

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#2137411 - 01/13/11 02:56 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
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The bottles in my local WM fluctuate......sometimes they are WPP, sometimes XOM.....

But the majority of the bottles are stamped WPP in my area.....

We all know Walmart buys from the cheapest supplier, who can keep their demands up.

When the ST shelf was getting empty at my local WM i alarmed the department manager and she called corporate and supposidely somewhere down the line WPP wasn't meeting their demands then a couple days later XOM started rolling in lol.


BTW, find it odd, I've seen ST actually "meets" SN now, but haven't seen any Mobil 1 that "meet" SN, only SL or SM.....

Something that leads me to believe ST may actually be a "SOPUS" base oil wink Since Pennzoil/SOPUS seemed extremely "quick" on the release of their "SN" oils......[censored], they were redesigning their bottles claiming they were "SN compatible" before SN was actually put into action if I remember correctly....? They just couldn't change the "donut" spec. But the bottle stated it "met" SN GF-5...

Who knows, we will never know :P But will agree, ST oil is great stuff. Seen no problems with it.

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#2137427 - 01/13/11 03:11 PM Re: Who makes Walmart SuperTech Full Synthetic Oil [Re: Mark888]
kcfx4 Offline


Registered: 04/28/10
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Loc: indiana
the dino/blend bottles sure look xom, in my area that is


Edited by kcfx4 (01/13/11 03:13 PM)
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