PP 0w-20, 7501 Miles, 2000 Honda Insight

[ffxfina3]

Just got back another UOA from Blackstone for another run with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20. You can find my first analysis here: Analysis with 5126 miles on PP 0w-20. My copper is still high, which worries me -- even though Blackstone says it isn't at a problem level.

Code:


MI/HR on Oil 7,501

MI/HR on Unit 44,998

Sample Date 01/03/08

Make Up Oil Added 0 qts.



My Unit Universal Average

ALUMINUM 3 6

CHROMIUM 0 1

IRON 5 10

COPPER 30 11

LEAD 0 1

TIN 1 0

MOLYBDENUM 51 193

NICKEL 0 0

MANGANESE 0 0

SILVER 0 0

TITANIUM 0 0

POTASSIUM 1 1

BORON 4 87

SILICON 17 13

SODIUM 1 24

CALCIUM 1943 2241

MAGNESIUM 10 104

PHOSPHORUS 606 748

ZINC 738 902

BARIUM 0 0



My Values Values Should Be

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 52.0 46-59

cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 7.87 6-10.2

Flashpoint in °F 375 >385

Fuel % 0.5
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0

Water % 0.0
Insolubles % 0.3

 

[addyguy]

Si is somewhat high for the amount of miles - could be some abrasive wear on copper parts b/c of it.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Where did you get PP 0W20 ? All I could find is 5W20 and the same for Synpower.

 

[ffxfina3]

Hi guys, thanks for the replies.

addyguy, my silicon has always been around this level, even after changing my air filter. I'm using a Wix air filter, and wondering if I should be using something else.

HTSS_TR, I purchase my PP 0w-20 from here: [non-sponsor link]

Thanks,
Bryan

 

[Gary Allan]

If the source was intake abrasives it would elevate our Al and Fe ..not just copper ..at least if it's coming through the throttle body.

 

[ffxfina3]

Gary, thanks for the information. While I'm glad I'm not having high aluminum and iron wear, I do wish that this issue was as easy to fix as replacing an air filter. I think I'm going to continue hoping that the wear is from my oil cooler.

 

[deven]

I think if you used a higher visc oil like PP 5w30 your copper cound should go down. I had the same problem with another car and went this route and solved the copper problem.

I am surprised at the Calcium being less than 2000ppm. The other varieties have Calcium close to 3000ppm.

 

[cheetahdriver]

this being an insight, use of a 5w oil is not recommended. this car, like the prius, has engine start/stop cycles at every stop of the vehicle. use of a 5w oil may not provide the proper lubrication on the start cycles, especially when the car is transitioning to operating temps (although it will not do the s/s cycles when the engine is really cold).

i have a sample i am getting ready to send to blackstone with 5k on it, using Honda oil. will post as soon as i get the results.

 

[02zx9r]

Originally Posted By: Bryan K. Walton
Hi guys, thanks for the replies.

addyguy, my silicon has always been around this level, even after changing my air filter. I'm using a Wix air filter, and wondering if I should be using something else.

HTSS_TR, I purchase my PP 0w-20 from here: [non-sponsor link]

Thanks,
Bryan


Do we have a sponsor on here that has PP 0W20??
why delete where he purchased it from?

 

[asiancivicmaniac]

Originally Posted By: cheetahdriver
this being an insight, use of a 5w oil is not recommended. this car, like the prius, has engine start/stop cycles at every stop of the vehicle. use of a 5w oil may not provide the proper lubrication on the start cycles, especially when the car is transitioning to operating temps (although it will not do the s/s cycles when the engine is really cold).

i have a sample i am getting ready to send to blackstone with 5k on it, using Honda oil. will post as soon as i get the results.


Care to elaborate?

I thought the Prius calls for 5w-30?

 

[ZZman]

Honda can use 0w-20

http://accuratecars.com/blog/2008/08/09/...da-automobiles/

**When in doubt use whatever it says to use in the manual or on the oil cap!

 

[ZZman]

Toyota does say to use 5w-30

 

[ffxfina3]

I can confirm that Honda says to use 0w-20 in the Insight.

 

[ffxfina3]

OK, I know this may be grasping at straws, but . . .

This car's oil pan is made of magnesium. I've got a Fumoto Oil Drain Valve bolted to the side of it. Is there any chance that my copper is coming from the fumoto valve? I noticed when doing this oil change that the outside of my valve had a slight green-ish color to it. Wondering if the magesium oil pan touching the fumoto valve might be causing some oxidation, and therefore leaching some copper into my oil?

Thanks, Bryan

 

[theaveng]

Is this the 3 cylinder or 4 cylinder insight. Also: CVT or stick shift?
Originally Posted By: Bryan K. Walton
I purchase my PP 0w-20 from here: [non-sponsor link]
Really??? BITOG censors the links to non-sponsor oils? Like Pennzoil? Wow.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: theaveng
Is this the 3 cylinder or 4 cylinder insight. Also: CVT or stick shift?
Originally Posted By: Bryan K. Walton
I purchase my PP 0w-20 from here: [non-sponsor link]
Really??? BITOG censors the links to non-sponsor oils? Like Pennzoil? Wow.


You can link Pennzoil and such but its usually to a site that sells the same products as a sponsor that are censored.