I do not think that CI4+ has a ash limit its - CJ4. Funny that Mobil moved to Moly - Schaeffer increased theirs from 200 to 300 and added a 700+ ppm Mg. They lowered Zn - P - Ca which are the major contributors to ash. Most companies lowered their Ca Zn and P, including Euro oils and many added Moly and Boron. Redline has a high % of esters. The best overall oils price and performance will one day be GRP III Plus, not GRP IV/V, IMO.
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
Yes, it is interesting. Wonder if they made any moly changes with the three new 0W oils they have.
I would guess there wouldn't be any change to the 0w because they said they changed the formula of the "diesel" oils, which are the 5W40 and 15W40.
I do wonder though if the change to no moly coincided with the release of the 0w oils to further differentiate the "diesel" oils from the new "gasoline" 0W oils. I'm just speculating though.
Yes, it is interesting. Wonder if they made any moly changes with the three new 0W oils they have.
I would guess there wouldn't be any change to the 0w because they said they changed the formula of the "diesel" oils, which are the 5W40 and 15W40.
I do wonder though if the change to no moly coincided with the release of the 0w oils to further differentiate the "diesel" oils from the new "gasoline" 0W oils. I'm just speculating though.
redlines new ow oils still have 950ppm moly in them..spoke with dave yesterday
Originally Posted By: shanneba
I asked Dave at Redline about product data for the new 0w oil, and the moly in the 5w-40-
I saw the 0w oils listed on the web at racer parts wholesale in Indianapolis.
Daves reply-
I haven't seen the new data sheets for the 0Wxx oils yet though would expect them soon. They are shipping, suggested retail price is $10.95/quart.
Glad the 5W40 is performing well, the current 5W40 and 15W40 don't contain any moly, the UOA is correct. The formulation of those two diesel oils has been changed, specifically had the molybdenum removed to address the reduced sulfated ash CI-4 requirements.
Regards, Dave
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According to their website, the 15w-40 is a diesel motor oil, however I dont see any mention that the 5w-40 is intended for diesel engines at all-strange they would drop the moly in this weight when it is marketed for gasoline engines
I asked Dave at Redline about product data for the new 0w oil, and the moly in the 5w-40-
I saw the 0w oils listed on the web at racer parts wholesale in Indianapolis.
Daves reply-
I haven't seen the new data sheets for the 0Wxx oils yet though would expect them soon. They are shipping, suggested retail price is $10.95/quart.
Glad the 5W40 is performing well, the current 5W40 and 15W40 don't contain any moly, the UOA is correct. The formulation of those two diesel oils has been changed, specifically had the molybdenum removed to address the reduced sulfated ash CI-4 requirements.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
According to their website, the 15w-40 is a diesel motor oil, however I dont see any mention that the 5w-40 is intended for diesel engines at all-strange they would drop the moly in this weight when it is marketed for gasoline engines
Originally Posted By: qship1996
According to their website, the 15w-40 is a diesel motor oil, however I dont see any mention that the 5w-40 is intended for diesel engines at all-strange they would drop the moly in this weight when it is marketed for gasoline engines
This MSDS lists both as their diesel oils for what that is worth.
http://www.redlineoil.com/msds/26.pdf
According to their website, the 15w-40 is a diesel motor oil, however I dont see any mention that the 5w-40 is intended for diesel engines at all-strange they would drop the moly in this weight when it is marketed for gasoline engines
This MSDS lists both as their diesel oils for what that is worth.
http://www.redlineoil.com/msds/26.pdf
RL also indicates due to the formulation that the 15W-40 should not be used in gasoline engines.
Dave sent me the updated Redline oil spec sheet with the new 0w oils listed. I didn't see it yet on the Redline web site.
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Typical Properties
0W20 0W30 0W40 5W20 5W30 5W40 10W30 10W40 15W40 15W50 20W50
API Service Class SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SG/CF SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SG/CF SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG
CF CF CF CF CF CJ-4/CI-4 CF CF CJ-4/CI-4 CF CF
Viscosity Grade SAE 0W20 0W30 0W40 5W20 5W30 5W40 10W30 10W40 15W40 15W50 20W50
Vis @100C cSt 8.2 10.9 15.1 9.1 10.6 15.1 10.7 14.6 14.5 19.6 19.8
Vis @40C cSt 43 57 81 55 62 94 70 93 97 138 148
Viscosity Index 166 183 197 145 162 170 142 164 155 162 155
CCS Viscosity Poise @C 55@-35 56@-35 57@-35 50@-30 60@-30 55@-30 65@-25 65@-25 65@-20 65@-20 50@-15
HTHS Vis, cP @150 C 2.7 3.2 4.0 3.3 3.8 4.6 3.8 4.7 4.7 5.8 6.1
ASTM D4741
Pour Point C -60 -60 -60 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45
Pour Point F -76 -76 -76 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49
Flash Point C 216 218 218 251 252 250 250 248 252 252 255
Flash Point F 421 424 424 484 486 480 480 478 486 486 491
NOACK Evaporation Loss
1hr @ 482 F (250 C) % 9 9 9 8 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
Code:
Typical Properties
0W20 0W30 0W40 5W20 5W30 5W40 10W30 10W40 15W40 15W50 20W50
API Service Class SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SG/CF SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG SM/SG/CF SM/SL/SG SM/SL/SG
CF CF CF CF CF CJ-4/CI-4 CF CF CJ-4/CI-4 CF CF
Viscosity Grade SAE 0W20 0W30 0W40 5W20 5W30 5W40 10W30 10W40 15W40 15W50 20W50
Vis @100C cSt 8.2 10.9 15.1 9.1 10.6 15.1 10.7 14.6 14.5 19.6 19.8
Vis @40C cSt 43 57 81 55 62 94 70 93 97 138 148
Viscosity Index 166 183 197 145 162 170 142 164 155 162 155
CCS Viscosity Poise @C 55@-35 56@-35 57@-35 50@-30 60@-30 55@-30 65@-25 65@-25 65@-20 65@-20 50@-15
HTHS Vis, cP @150 C 2.7 3.2 4.0 3.3 3.8 4.6 3.8 4.7 4.7 5.8 6.1
ASTM D4741
Pour Point C -60 -60 -60 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45 -45
Pour Point F -76 -76 -76 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49 -49
Flash Point C 216 218 218 251 252 250 250 248 252 252 255
Flash Point F 421 424 424 484 486 480 480 478 486 486 491
NOACK Evaporation Loss
1hr @ 482 F (250 C) % 9 9 9 8 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
How do I compare the Redline 0W40 HTHS Vis 4.0 cP @150C (ASTM D 4741) to Mobil 1 0W40 HTHS Vis 3.7 mPas @150c (ASTM D 4683)?
Here is something I found that indicates D4683 is closer to what is expected in an engine bearing.
http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4741.htm#fn00008
http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4683.htm
The units of measure appear to be the same value wise. D4741 has a refined thermoregulator system
http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4741.htm#fn00008
http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4683.htm
The units of measure appear to be the same value wise. D4741 has a refined thermoregulator system
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