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#1222415 - 08/23/08 09:16 AM I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst.
AllenWalker
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You use 0.5 oz for 20 gallons of fuel.
They claim you will see efficiency increase from 8% to 30%.
I've seen this product on the news before.
BITOG search yielded no results or this product.
Here's an older video, but still relevant.
http://www.icareaboutit.com/assets/flash/enviromax/index.html?high

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#1222474 - 08/23/08 11:15 AM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 38077
Loc: New Jersey
lol, good luck

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#1222505 - 08/23/08 12:14 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
javacontour Offline


Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 9128
Loc: Illinois
 Originally Posted By: AllenWalker
You use 0.5 oz for 20 gallons of fuel.
They claim you will see efficiency increase from 8% to 30%.
I've seen this product on the news before.
BITOG search yielded no results or this product.
Here's an older video, but still relevant.
http://www.icareaboutit.com/assets/flash/enviromax/index.html?high


Do you have a spouse? If so, try it on a number of tanks in her car and record the results. Don't tell her which tanks have the additive and which don't.

If it's really the additive, and not the effects of the user of the product driving in a more careful fashion to get better mileage, it should be clear.

I suspect most gains are due not to the product, but the users increase awareness of fuel economy when they start using it.
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#1222526 - 08/23/08 01:41 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: javacontour]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 7354
Loc: beaver land EH?
LOL! another one falls for the snake (*oil*, that is).

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#1222528 - 08/23/08 01:49 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: Quest]
AllenWalker
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!

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#1224741 - 08/27/08 05:11 AM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
mechtech2 Offline


Registered: 09/05/06
Posts: 19479
Loc: Chicago Area
I have a dial up connection, and quit after seeing race cars and a few words about how it is better for your children and grandchildren.

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#1226012 - 08/28/08 10:10 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: mechtech2]
AllenWalker
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I'll report back any findings of interest.

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#1226359 - 08/29/08 03:41 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 7354
Loc: beaver land EH?
 Originally Posted By: AllenWalker
I'll report back any findings of interest.


Save you some effort so here ya go!

http://www.fuelsaving.info/enviromax.htm


Q.
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#1226380 - 08/29/08 04:13 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: Quest]
AllenWalker
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 Originally Posted By: Quest
 Originally Posted By: AllenWalker
I'll report back any findings of interest.


Save you some effort so here ya go!

http://www.fuelsaving.info/enviromax.htm


Q.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

I already reviewed that site, and that dude doesn't actually refute EnviroMax, he simply refutes fuel savers in general.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

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#1226397 - 08/29/08 04:28 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 7354
Loc: beaver land EH?
As I can see (based on your profile as an aviation electrician) that you are a highly-educated professional with academic discipline and scientific mindset, I'm surprised that you would go for "gadgets" that have no rigid scientific proofs nor solid research quality results to back their products.

So much for the laughing. At least I have a family to raise and I'm not parting my hard-earned money just for that.
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#1226407 - 08/29/08 04:41 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: Quest]
AllenWalker
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LOLOLOLOL!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


If this product actually works as advertised, then I will be saving more money than I've spent on the product. I'm willing to spend a little for an experiment. How much did I spend on Auto Rx? $20 a bottle? It works as advertised. Perhaps this stuff works, too.


LOLOLOLOL!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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#1226462 - 08/29/08 06:06 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
DmanWho Offline


Registered: 07/26/07
Posts: 578
Loc: Oregon
If this stuff does what "they" claim it does... That would be huge!

But it's those same "huge claims" that raise the red flag based on my internal barometer.

(I still need to try our locally made E3 fuel stuff. Sorry for my procrastination on testing it.)


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#1226466 - 08/29/08 06:16 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: ]
lewdwig Offline


Registered: 10/23/07
Posts: 665
Loc: Southwest Michigan
Found an MSDS at http://www.envirofuelplus.com/assets/docs/EMP_MSDS_June_2005.pdf, nothing extraordinary, but a solvent mixture of solvents (xylene, toluene, etc.) can work better than the individual chemicals themselves, an example is stoddard solvent, also called mineral spirits. I would think this particular mixture has been evaluated at some time by industrial chemists. A series of blind tests would tell you how well this Enviromax works.

I've used all kinds of additives over the years (and a lot of them I can't find anymore, hmmm...). They're fun to try as long as they don't burn a big hole your wallet or pistons. (Still wondering what happened to X1R).
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#1227389 - 08/31/08 02:23 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: lewdwig]
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Registered: 01/29/06
Posts: 2423
Loc: Mizzou-land
Based on the patent, the catalyst(s) are metal oxides- preferably zinc, iron, and magnesium. It sounds like you may want to watch for deposits on the plugs and hope that you don't poison your catalytic converter over time. The items listed on the MSDS are essentially the carrier compounds. A link to the patent is listed below. As an alternative to the long link, you can go to http://www.uspto.gov and search by patent number 5,266,082. If you take the time to read the patent, you may want to skip to example 12 - it seems to be the only treatment that "worked".

Enviromax patent link:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parse...RS=PN/5,266,082

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#1227404 - 08/31/08 03:40 PM Re: I'm going to try out Enviromax Plus fuel catalyst. [Re: GMorg]
AllenWalker
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Thanx for the patent link. Interesting reading.

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