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#1218504 - 08/17/08 08:24 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: mikered30]
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Registered: 10/17/05
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Loc: Marlboro, NY
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This is very interesting. My understanding is that T-IV = Mobil 3309 ATF. And I was same understanding that Mobil 1 ATF was NOT a suitable substitute. Has this all changed ????
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#1218509 - 08/17/08 08:33 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Axe Man]
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 794
Loc: Ca, US
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Based on the information, I believe T-IV is nothing more than a long drain Dexron III. M1 Syn ATF has been has always met DIII specs.
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#1218518 - 08/17/08 08:46 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: friendly_jacek]
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 794
Loc: Ca, US
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I like this info. I have left over Mobil 1 ATF from my previous car. I will go ahead and use it in my Corolla in the next ATF change (drain and refill I do every 30000 miles).
Let us know how this works out for you.
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#1218545 - 08/17/08 09:11 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Axe Man]
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Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 504
Loc: PA
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This is very interesting. My understanding is that T-IV = Mobil 3309 ATF. And I was same understanding that Mobil 1 ATF was NOT a suitable substitute. Has this all changed ???? That is exactly how I understood it. I also remember reading that Mobil themselves said a few years ago that M1 ATF was not compatible with the Corolla/Vibe/Matrix auto tranny.
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#1218624 - 08/17/08 11:19 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: mikered30]
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 794
Loc: Ca, US
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...true#Post9305402004 Toyota Tacoma Automatic Transmission FluidT-III is Toyota's equivalent spec for DexronIII. Don't let anyone tell you its different. T-IV added HFM smooth shifts, timing and slip control, and longer life additive package to the Dexron III spec. I've seen a bunch of dealers blindly use T-IV in place of DexronIII with no apparent ill effects. If anything, the transmission shifts better.
Since you can use Dexron III, just about any newer ATF can be used.
If you want to know if a fluid is marginal, just look at the UOAs. I don't think that there are ANY outstanding OEM ATF UOAs from ANY automaker. Not every transmission hits 200k with no problems. For eveyone vehicle that does, I'll find an owner with the same that smoked the tranny before 30k.
If money isn't an issue, use any of the full synthetic ATFs. Mobil1 and RoyalPurple are easy store finds these days. Redline D4, Amsoil ATF/ATD,.... and others can be found online easy enough. Dexron VI is al$o a choice.
If you want a cost effective upgrade to the DexronIII, any Mercon-V or other blended synth multivehicle ATF can be used.
Since DexronIII/Mercon licensing has expired and isn't tested/police'd by Ford/Gm anymore, some members are wrongly created 'fear' against the new equivalents. If you do use a cheap Dex/Merc equivalent, stick with one of the name brand fluids. Another option is the TES-389 certified fluids, which mimics the DexronIII-H/Mercon specs.
Adjust your ATF OCI based on transmisison family history, driving style, fluid chosen, upgrades performed, and flush type at your intervals.
Edited by sunfire (08/17/08 11:20 PM)
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#1218630 - 08/17/08 11:30 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 794
Loc: Ca, US
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http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84143 Castrol import ATF works fine in our cars, i had it in my car for 30,000 miles and never felt any weird vibrations or heard any noises and actually kept the transmission a little cooler than the stock oil because its slightly thicker and soaks away heat better when using a transmission oil cooler. . . . only one ive used it in was the 2006 Toyota Corolla S i have right now and i had it in there for 30,000 miles before i went and got my 60,000 mile transmission system flush. but i loved it when i had it and didnt seem that much different than the original T-IV i had in when i got the car before i had to change the stock oil out at 30,000 miles. the temperature of the transmission oil seemed to be a little bit lower when i put the Castrol in than the stock fluid though which means it helps promote heat dissipation through the transmission pan better than the stock fluid.
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#1218925 - 08/18/08 12:16 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 12/10/02
Posts: 6707
Loc: Nashville,TN
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We'll hear reports in the next few years that toyota transmissions blowing up, people blame it on Toyota. when in fact they used Dex 3 instead of toyota T-IV
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#1219879 - 08/19/08 03:53 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 902
Loc: alabama
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http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84143 Castrol import ATF works fine in our cars, i had it in my car for 30,000 miles and never felt any weird vibrations or heard any noises and actually kept the transmission a little cooler than the stock oil because its slightly thicker and soaks away heat better when using a transmission oil cooler. . . . only one ive used it in was the 2006 Toyota Corolla S i have right now and i had it in there for 30,000 miles before i went and got my 60,000 mile transmission system flush. but i loved it when i had it and didnt seem that much different than the original T-IV i had in when i got the car before i had to change the stock oil out at 30,000 miles. the temperature of the transmission oil seemed to be a little bit lower when i put the Castrol in than the stock fluid though which means it helps promote heat dissipation through the transmission pan better than the stock fluid. I wonder if he actually measured the AT temp in his car or he thought it ought to be lower. I would nor be interested in using this Castrol ATF as it's cost is similar to the T-IV ($4-5) with no added benefits. Any synth ATF product that replaces T-IV is worth a try thogh. However, Amsoil ATF is no go in prius according to this: http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-techni...-transaxle.html
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#1220083 - 08/19/08 09:47 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: friendly_jacek]
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Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 2490
Loc: NY
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This is one person's test in one Prius. It certainly does not make a case for not using Amsoil ATF. Who knows how the ATF was changed and how the samples were taken.
I for one will use Amsoil ATF in every vehicle I own where its spec'ed.
If someone has concerns about Amsoil ATF they should be contacting Amsoil tech support and pushing for answers. Then report those answer to BITOG.
I also find the Prius chart hard to digest and would prefer a spreadsheet type of chart. In reality it has to be with multiple vehicles with similar mileage intervals. Should Amsoil ATF at 25K compare to Toyota at 5K?
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#1220310 - 08/20/08 09:48 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Donald]
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 794
Loc: Ca, US
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I've made up my mind... I will put Pennzoil Multi-Vehicle ATF ($4/qt at Pep Boys) which appears to be a synthetic blend into my 05 Corolla 1ZZFE, A245E Aisin transmission. It will take approximately 2 drain fills to get 72% of the T-IV out (8qts total, 3.8qts for drain fill). I will do 2 short OCIs ~1k miles. Then do a UOA if the Corolla's transmission is still working. 
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#1220750 - 08/20/08 10:40 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 03/08/08
Posts: 1121
Loc: Arizona
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I love it when people make uneducated statements like "when the transmissions blow up in a few years cause billy bob used the darn DEX 111 coo coo ca choo, that'll show dem dumb city boys". MANY EX toyota T-IV users have logged thousands of trouble free miles with synthetic products that are suitable in DEX III apps. If you want to keep using the toyota stuff cool, but enough with the ignorant statements that are untrue and build on the paranoia complex that ensure toyota and mobil's share holders/execs eat steak and lobster every night.
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#1220875 - 08/21/08 05:32 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Cutehumor]
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Registered: 09/09/07
Posts: 264
Loc: los angeles
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We'll hear reports in the next few years that toyota transmissions blowing up, people blame it on Toyota. when in fact they used Dex 3 instead of toyota T-IV thats exactly the same stuff you hear in honda forums but instead of t-iv its z-1.
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#1220954 - 08/21/08 08:58 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: dorkiedoode]
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Registered: 12/15/06
Posts: 4
Loc: South Carolina
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FWIW, I just drained the factory fill of T-IV at 48,000 mi in my 2006 Scion xA. I refilled with Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF "Multi Vehicle Formula". Shifts still feel the same. I'll let you know how things are after 10,000 miles. My decision to try M1 ATF was based in part on discussions here and on the information listed on the M1 Syn ATF PDS here: http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAUSENPVLMOMobil_1_Synthetic_ATF.asp
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#1220995 - 08/21/08 10:33 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: scionxa]
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Registered: 02/20/07
Posts: 518
Loc: Southeast
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I believe T-IV is rebadged Mobil type JWS-3309. Volvo shares some AW trannies with toyota, same AT, same fluid, different label. 3309 is a non-syn fluid per discussions with volvo gurus. NOT the same chemistry as the multi-vehicle ATFs, and is designed to handle the partial-engagement behavior of the torque converter, an operation that was developed much later than the release of Dex III.
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#1221040 - 08/21/08 11:35 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: meep]
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 794
Loc: Ca, US
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I believe T-IV is rebadged Mobil type JWS-3309. Volvo shares some AW trannies with toyota, same AT, same fluid, different label. 3309 is a non-syn fluid per discussions with volvo gurus. NOT the same chemistry as the multi-vehicle ATFs, and is designed to handle the partial-engagement behavior of the torque converter, an operation that was developed much later than the release of Dex III. The title of this thread is a bit misleading. It suggests that T-IV same chemistry as Dexron III. I'm sure there are differences, something along the lines of what unDummy said... T-IV added HFM smooth shifts, timing and slip control, and longer life additive package to the Dexron III spec.
Edited by sunfire (08/21/08 11:39 AM)
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