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#1217344 - 08/15/08 11:11 PM
Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
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Registered: 04/08/08
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I found this interesting TSB released by Toyota regarding their T-IV ATF: http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/2000/Service%20Bulletins/tc001t02%20ATF%20Fluid%20Requirements.pdfTSB: TC001-02 Title: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID REQUIREMENTS Models: All ’00 – ’02 Models & ’03 Corolla & Matrix MODEL----- 2000 -----|---- 2001 ----|---- 2002 ----|---- 2003 Corolla A131L, A245E | A131L, A245E | A131L, A245E | A245E ATF----- DexronIII --|-- DexronIII -|-- DexronIII -|--- T-IV
Look at the row for the Corolla. The columns are the Aisin automatic transmission model numbers. Toyota recommends Dexron III in the A245E AT before and including 2002. However, Toyota goes to recommend Type T–IV in the SAME... I repeat the SAME 2003 Aisin A245E AT. There might be some very minor improvements in the AT from year to year. But I doubt anything significant enough to require an ATF with entirely different characteristics. Which leads me to conclude that T-IV is perhaps a higher grade Dexron III. I am speculating that they did this so they can promote their "life time ATF" to raise the Corolla value's because of less maintenance. And would also explain Toyota's naming convention (4 comes after 3) for their improved Dexron III+ ATF. Here are a few after market ATFs that claim meets T-IV specs and the reason they meet T-IV is because they are already meet Dexron III specs... again this statement is sepeculation: Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF Mobil Multi-Vehicle Mobil ATF 3309 ( approved against Type T-IV, JWS 3309) CASTROL Import Multi-Vehicle PENNZOIL MULTI-VEHICLE If the above is true then that would leave a lot full synthetic and synthetic blend alternatives for T-IV ATF users. I believe T-IV is still a conventional as people here and on other forums have stated. Do YOU agree with what I said?
Edited by sunfire (08/15/08 11:17 PM)
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#1217367 - 08/15/08 11:40 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 04/08/08
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I forgot to list everyone's favorite alternative ATF which does meet Dexron III and Toyota Type T-IV (JWS 3309) specs: AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid
Edited by sunfire (08/15/08 11:41 PM)
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#1217405 - 08/16/08 01:00 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 02/04/07
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Loc: kansastan
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Oh Cheezus... here we go.
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#1217458 - 08/16/08 05:34 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: onion]
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Registered: 05/28/07
Posts: 5336
Loc: New South Wales
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I don't know... there's a lot of extrapolation from one small observation in there... I don't necessarily agree that Toyota should keep its customers to its own brand, but for what I pay for it it is really good value. down here it is close to the cheapest stuff... the aftermarket names claiming to meet T-IV specs are more expensive than T-IV from the dealer, so why bother?
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#1217496 - 08/16/08 08:00 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: crinkles]
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Registered: 06/15/04
Posts: 2447
Loc: South Carolina
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Er, because you may want a better fluid? If I want a basic T-IV fluid that costs less than the dealer fluid, I will use one of 2 SuperTech ATF's at WM that list the spec. Otherwise I use Mobil 1 or Amsoil. All work very well.
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#1217546 - 08/16/08 10:07 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: sunfire]
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Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 627
Loc: Colorado
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Which leads me to conclude that T-IV is perhaps a higher grade Dexron III. I am speculating that they did this so they can promote their "life time ATF" to raise the Corolla value's because of less maintenance. And would also explain Toyota's naming convention (4 comes after 3) for their improved Dexron III+ ATF. Perhaps I am not following the paragraph above, but Type-IV is not a lifetime fluid. The Toyota WS (believe it stands for World Standard) is the fluid they claim is good for the life of the tranny.
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#1217741 - 08/16/08 02:24 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: onion]
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Registered: 05/04/03
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Loc: southeast US
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Oh Cheezus... here we go. here we go what?
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#1217744 - 08/16/08 02:32 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: crinkles]
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Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 3754
Loc: southeast US
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I don't know... there's a lot of extrapolation from one small observation in there... I don't necessarily agree that Toyota should keep its customers to its own brand, but for what I pay for it it is really good value. down here it is close to the cheapest stuff... the aftermarket names claiming to meet T-IV specs are more expensive than T-IV from the dealer, so why bother? Well, T-IV is dino oil with dubious quality (gray color in 20000-30000 miles). Most replacements are synth with proven quality. I like this info. I have left over Mobil 1 ATF from my previous car. I will go ahead and use it in my Corolla in the next ATF change (drain and refill I do every 30000 miles).
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#1217819 - 08/16/08 05:32 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: friendly_jacek]
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Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 3972
Loc: NH
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Royal Purple MaxATF also handles T-IV. I will run it in my tranny that calls for T-IV when I have the fluid changed.
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#1218154 - 08/17/08 08:54 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: NHHEMI]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Loc: Rochester NY
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Well, let's look at a couple of things here first. 1) The 2003 Corolla is the newer version of the Corolla. 2002 was the last year of the Corolla/Prism versions. So maybe Toyota made some changes to the Corolla/Matrix/Vibe tranny to require T-IV.
2) Mobil 1 is no longer DexronIII/Mercon, it's Mercon V now at least in my neck of the woods. And the bottle that Im holding in my hand as Im writing this doesn't say anythinhg about being used in a Toyota as a replacement for T-IV but can probably be used in Toyota auto trannys using Dexron.
I haven't seen any new Mobil 1 syn atf in my area that states what sunfire is saying. I do beleive sunfire and I would like to see/use this Mobil 1.
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#1218171 - 08/17/08 09:41 AM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Char Baby]
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Registered: 03/21/04
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Loc: Upstate NY
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According to the Mobil 1 website their Mobil 1 ATF does not mention anything about Toyota T-IV so it should not be used. End of discussion.
Amsoil ATF does mention T-IV and should be an excellent choice if you want a top tier full synthetic.
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#1218314 - 08/17/08 02:27 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Char Baby]
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Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 3754
Loc: southeast US
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Well, let's look at a couple of things here first. 1) The 2003 Corolla is the newer version of the Corolla. 2002 was the last year of the Corolla/Prism versions. So maybe Toyota made some changes to the Corolla/Matrix/Vibe tranny to require T-IV.
2) Mobil 1 is no longer DexronIII/Mercon, it's Mercon V now at least in my neck of the woods. And the bottle that Im holding in my hand as Im writing this doesn't say anythinhg about being used in a Toyota as a replacement for T-IV but can probably be used in Toyota auto trannys using Dexron.
I haven't seen any new Mobil 1 syn atf in my area that states what sunfire is saying. I do beleive sunfire and I would like to see/use this Mobil 1. I have 2003 corolla. The changes in engine mostly dealt with oil consumption (very common in 1998-2002 corollas) such as new oil rings and oil holes. I doubt there were significant changes in tranny, except for software and shifting points. Possible optimized for the new fluid. As for Mobil 1 ATF suitable for T-IV is shown here: http://www.mobil.com//USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAUSENPVLMOMobil_1_Synthetic_ATF.aspI doubt the formula changed regardless what is printed on the bottle.
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#1218433 - 08/17/08 06:37 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: Donald]
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Registered: 09/09/07
Posts: 309
Loc: los angeles
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According to the Mobil 1 website their Mobil 1 ATF does not mention anything about Toyota T-IV so it should not be used. End of discussion.
Amsoil ATF does mention T-IV and should be an excellent choice if you want a top tier full synthetic. Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is also suitable for use in vehicles that specify the following fluid requirements:
Audi G 052 025-A2, G 052 162-A1 BMW LA2634 Esso LT 71141 ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B, N402 Ford* MERCON*, MERCON V, MERCON LV All 2005 and earlier GM vehicles** Honda ATF-Z1* Hyundai SP-II, SP-III Idemitsu K17 JWS 3309 Kia SP-II, SP-III MAN 339F, V1, V2, Z1, Z2, Z3 Mazda ATF-III, ATF-MV Mercedes-Benz 236.1, 236.2, 236.5, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9 Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II, SP-III Nissan Matic-D, Matic-J, Matic-K Subaru ATF Toyota T-III, T-IV Voith 55.6335.XX (G607, G1363), Volvo 97340 ZF TE-ML 03D, 04D, 09, 14A, 14B, 16L, 17C ?
Edited by dorkiedoode (08/17/08 06:42 PM)
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#1218479 - 08/17/08 07:43 PM
Re: Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ?
[Re: friendly_jacek]
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Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 1107
Loc: PA
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Nice find, from what I remember, M1 ATF was not always a replacement for T-IV. Is this a new formulation? Who will be the first to try it?
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