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#1116699 - 03/28/08 04:00 PM Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30
smithph Offline


Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 259
Loc: USA
Oil: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30, SM & CF-4, Date of Manufacture 11-29-2007

Since the Napa Synthetic 10w30 I posted a few weeks ago is a Private Label product made for Napa by Valvoline I added it to this thread in the second column for comparison. I hope it does not confuse things.

MI/HR ON OIL:
MI/HR ON UNIT:
DATE:03-28-2008

(Column 1 is SynPower ... Column 2 is Napa)

ALUMINUM: 0...0
CHROMIUM: 0...0
IRON: 1...0
COPPER: 0...0
LEAD: 0...0
TIN: 0...0
MOLY: 3...3
NICKEL: 0...0
MANGANESE: 0...0
SILVER: 0...0
TITANIUM: 0...0
POTASSIUM: 2...0
BORON: 10...1
SILICON: 4...2
SODIUM: 22...294
CALCIUM: 2278...1422
MAGNESIUM: 6...4
PHOSPHOROUS: 595...546
ZINC: 763...699
BARIUM: 0...0

SUS VISC. @210F: 59.5...60.1
Cst Visc. @100C: 10.09...10.26
Flashpoint: 440...460
Fuel %:
Antifreeze %:
Water %:0.0
Insolubles %:0.0
TBN: 8.8...7.5
TAN:
ISO Code:
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#1117709 - 03/29/08 10:28 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: smithph]
Triple_Se7en Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 6307
Loc: 1/2 hr. north of Detroit
Thanks for the comparison.

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#1117830 - 03/30/08 03:14 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: Triple_Se7en]
DmanWho Offline


Registered: 07/26/07
Posts: 578
Loc: Oregon
The very 1st SynPower VOA! \:\!

Not quite the same as VSOT, though. I admit to being disappointed... \:\(

Thank you for getting this test done.

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#1360431 - 02/02/09 05:45 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: DmanWho]
Petrou Offline


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 435
Loc: Bismarck, ND
i think it looks good. maybe throw in a quart of synpower when you do the oil change. i think it looks good for the most part
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#1371854 - 02/12/09 03:22 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: Petrou]
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Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20533
Loc: Colorado Springs
FWIW, according to the new Valvoline data sheets, Synpower uses this type of additive package now, except with 490 ppm sodium. Valvoline has gone this way with all their oils - lower calcium and lots of sodium.

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#1371888 - 02/12/09 03:43 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: Drew99GT]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12907
Loc: By Detroit
Thanks Smithph, you have done the board a great service.

Ain't much phosphorus these days. Is there a trade off value between calcium and sodium, with sodium being the more effective additive?
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#1371917 - 02/12/09 04:06 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: TallPaul]
Drew99GT Online   happy


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20533
Loc: Colorado Springs
I really don't know about the sodium deal. I recall some of the expert members here saying it's more of a cost effective additive compared to calcium for deposit reduction and cleaning properties.

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#1372835 - 02/13/09 12:30 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: Drew99GT]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29087
Loc: NJ
Both Na and Ca and shows outstanding deposit control.
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#1381835 - 02/22/09 02:26 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: smithph]
Camu Mahubah Offline


Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3048
Loc: the Sandhills of Nebraska
Question: Based on this VOA, what is the longest theoretically one could run the Napa oil? I got a case of the stuff dirt cheap at Napa the other day. I couldn't help myself. The price was right...
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#1382290 - 02/22/09 02:36 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: Camu Mahubah]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14154
Loc: Midwest
In testing any new oil (for your car's engine, anyway) us three (3), 3-5k mile runs and then have the samples analyzed.
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#1382816 - 02/23/09 02:57 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: MolaKule]
Camu Mahubah Offline


Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3048
Loc: the Sandhills of Nebraska
I was hoping I could squeeze at least 6000 miles out of the NAPA oil.
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#1384176 - 02/24/09 09:08 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: Camu Mahubah]
addyguy Offline


Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 13425
Loc: Canada
I still say you can go 10k miles on ANY syn oil, so I wouldn't hesitate to go 6-7k miles...heck, I do that on dino!
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#1619853 - 10/04/09 07:29 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: addyguy]
amptramp Offline


Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 4
Loc: Ontario, Canada
The TBN looks a bit low to try and get a long OCI. I have been tempted to try Valvoline synthetic oil because it is cheaper than Mobil 1 (which is what I am using now), but that may be a false economy.

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#1619966 - 10/04/09 10:20 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W-30 [Re: amptramp]
ZZman Offline


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 4228
Loc: Michigan
Nothing to see here...move on.
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#1620343 - 10/04/09 05:35 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower 10W-30 vs Napa Syntheic 10W [Re: Drew99GT]
kevinf Offline


Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 137
Loc: Virginia
Thanks for the posting and the comments. This explains the odd results I got back in July. I had two UOA's done with Valvoline Synpower. One from my Acura J series and one from my Toyota 1MZ-FE. The Toyota came back with the high Calcium, high Boron low Sodium formulation, the Acura came back with what I now know is the newer formulation.

My 1MZ-FE destroyed the older formulation TBN was 2.0 after only 3400 miles.
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