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#1107797 - 03/17/08 11:44 AM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: o2man98]
Turk Offline


Registered: 02/03/06
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Yea - later do the Amsoil EAO with Amsoil SSO !!

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#1107798 - 03/17/08 11:46 AM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 09/11/04
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Loc: Hermon, ME
If potassium is zero and this is dexcool, there is not coolant ingress. Some of the wear is from intake of dirt, and the air ducting should be checked out. The thickening is from oxidation.

Auto Rx is definately the ticket here, but if he's not going to change his oil, what's the point? If he can't change his oil any more often than 24k he certainly won't stick to the AutoRx schedule.
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#1107799 - 03/17/08 11:47 AM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: Turk]
Bambam Offline


Registered: 12/16/03
Posts: 747
Loc: CT
 Originally Posted By: tpitcher
...but, but, but it's Mobil 1!

I wonder how he drives this thing. It is a good motor. TBN would've been great to know for a reference point.......

Get 'er in like Buster mentions and go from there.

I want to see the future of this engine - can ya keep us posted along the way and further in the future...??


How does he drive it?? Like a rental! Extended idling,full throttle launches,full bed of junk,pulls a fifth wheel in the summer and does absolutely nothing but put gas in it. Doesn't check any fluids,wash or wax,clean the inside,NOTHING but gas and go... I've got some QS 10w30 synthetic in there and I'll try and wrangle him in for a short oci???? I'll keep reporting as long as I can get my hands on it.
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#1107801 - 03/17/08 11:48 AM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: Turk]
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 13428
Loc: Canada
What does this guy DO for a living? If he can afford to beat the [censored] outta $700/month truck, and not give a c*#p, he must be growing the green stuff (money OR dope, take your pick!) in his backyard!

Sorry, can I ask again, what was the replacement oil, or is this oil STILL in the truck...?
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#1107810 - 03/17/08 12:08 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: Bambam]
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Registered: 02/03/06
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Loc: MN
I can't help but say either if he's married his wife is wonderful and meets all of his needs or if he's single, he has lots of women that really want to be with him.

sarcasm/off
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#1107825 - 03/17/08 12:45 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: REDDOG]
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Registered: 12/26/07
Posts: 1461
Loc: Catskills, NY
I've seen worse

Regardless, I hope this guy's engine blows up.

I take better care of my lawn mower.


Edited by GMFan (03/17/08 12:47 PM)
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#1107838 - 03/17/08 01:08 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: GMFan]
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Posts: 5591
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
At 24k miles, you can divide up the results by 5, and get a "5k mile OCI" average on some of the metals, to get an "average" accumulation for what we would consider a reasonable OCI. Still, even that throws some of these sky high on a "per mile" basis.

I don't think this is an indictment of long OCI's; rather, it's an clear indication that NO maintenance is a bad thing. Extended drain intervals with UOA's would have caught this problem (whatever it's root cause is) long ago. Don't blame extended OCI's for problems resulting from lack of maintenance.

Somewhere between this example, and the OCD 3k mile OCI, lies the sensible reality!



Edited by dnewton3 (03/17/08 01:10 PM)
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#1107842 - 03/17/08 01:15 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: dnewton3]
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Registered: 12/16/03
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Loc: CT
This wasn't an attempt at an extended oci,just negligence..

He is a self employed HVAC/Fitter?Plumber.

His wife(my niece) is just as bad as he. She has a 2 year old van bought brand new and well I don't think any maintenance has been done to that..She doesn't like me very much and well the feeling is mutual..

QS 10w30 is whats in now,synthetic.
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#1107843 - 03/17/08 01:16 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: dnewton3]
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Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 1491
Loc: Indiana
It's his truck and money, why even worry about it? His behavior isn't harming anyone, just a piece of inanimate piece of machinery that isn't important to him.
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#1107845 - 03/17/08 01:17 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 7077
Loc: Ontario, Canada
 Originally Posted By: Pablo
Viscosity went up a tad.


and Tin looks excellent.

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#1107862 - 03/17/08 01:53 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: oilyriser]
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I'm suprised you went 'down' to 10W-30 for the next oil, when the engine is clearly showing signs of severe wear that would dictate a thicker oil to combat engine knock and 'cushion' what is left. Also, if the engine consumes a thinner viscosity quicker...

This also has to be the first time, for me at least, that I have seen a high-end, A3-rated, long-life syn get its bell rung by neglect. We've seen some 'not so great' results from over-extending OCI's but they are usually still within the parameters of 'OK'...but not here.
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#1107871 - 03/17/08 01:58 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: addyguy]
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 Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm suprised you went 'down' to 10W-30 for the next oil, when the engine is clearly showing signs of severe wear that would dictate a thicker oil to combat engine knock and 'cushion' what is left. Also, if the engine consumes a thinner viscosity quicker...

This also has to be the first time, for me at least, that I have seen a high-end, A3-rated, long-life syn get its bell rung by neglect. We've seen some 'not so great' results from over-extending OCI's but they are usually still within the parameters of 'OK'...but not here.



It got 10w30 because it's what I had. If I had 5w20 it would have gotten that. I tried helping him from the get go but if he doesn't care well then I'm not gonna go crazy and try and do right...

OTOH,my BIL bought a 07 DMax and by 3k I had him bring it over and we did a complete front to back oil change,all synthetic,mostly on my dime... I'm here to help for the family,it's just wether you take me up on it...
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#1107916 - 03/17/08 02:51 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: Bambam]
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 13428
Loc: Canada
Your nephew doesn't deserve your generosity...I really, really hope it doesn't come back to bite you...truck fails and he blames you...that would make ALL of us see red here!!!

BTW, I had suspected thats why you used the 10W-30 QS, its what you had on hand.....
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#1107917 - 03/17/08 02:52 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: buster]
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
 Originally Posted By: buster
WOW. This is the danger you run when trying to do extended drains. Obviously there is a coolant leak and it destroyed this oil. Take the truck in asap with this analysis.
I almost expect to see a coolant leak in G.M.products.
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#1107935 - 03/17/08 03:11 PM Re: M1 0W40...GM 6.0L....24,000 miles OMG!!! [Re: farrarfan1]
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Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 3713
Loc: KC
 Originally Posted By: farrarfan1
It's his truck and money, why even worry about it? His behavior isn't harming anyone, just a piece of inanimate piece of machinery that isn't important to him.


It isn't hurting anyone until he realizes its breaking down and sells it to some unsuspecting person.
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