I know there has been another thread http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000155#000000
but that has been a while. Is there anyone out there that is using Synlube http://www.synlube.com/ ? Maybe someone has seen the oil or it could be on display somewhere. With all the oil geeks around here there must be some first hand experience somewhere. There must be someone that was willing to spend thirty plus dollars per quart for an oil that can go for years and years without changing.

I guess there are so many replies this forum was flooded. No answer is an answer. This site appears to becomming kind of product specific and no one is using this product.

Nope not using it here. That music scares me : AR

I don't think that you'll find many people using that stuff.

The claims that they make seem a little over the top, and lots of people shy away from solid additives.

the idea of an everlasting oil, that you "beef" back up with addatives to keep it going isn't new.. but the reality, is that, as an engine ages, and tolerances loosen up, more and more fuel and water will start getting into the water. Adding a quart here and there full of addatives won't remove the fuel, it will merely stabilize the acidity. Eventually, with todays base oil availabilities, even the best POA stocks will eventually shear down their viscosity, ZDDP goes a long way, but i'm sure there is a point where the base stock would be so weak, a pile of zddp wouldn't even keep it up to par.

Using a graphite oil would cause some inicial wear, but once it has been used, seems to me switching back to conventional oils could be very harmfull to the engine, as it cleans away the graphite and other solids, the gaps between parts would reimerge from the inicial wear. (I don't know this as fact, but it makes "sense" logically to me).. what if the graphite based oil is no longer available 5 years down the road- what if they go out of business. from the looks of their website, they aren't doing very well financially, else they would have a nicer layout.

Elf version (Not German)

http://www.amway2u.com/mall_prodlst.jsp?cat1=6000&cat2=7129

That dude's pretty wild (the rather eccentric company president has been on this site before). I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole- AMSOIL's claims are wild enough for me, but at least they have a quality, proven product once you cut through most dealer's BS.

I wonder how much it would cost to buy a batch of the stuff, put it in someone's car and do a lot of driving with a uoa every 5k miles or so. I think a project like this is the only way to get any idea about how this or any oil works. How many people do you think could be brought together for projects like this. Something like this might scare the **** out of a product manufacturer.

I'm sure it would hold up UOA wise as long as a good synthetic, after that... things would start looking fishy i bet. even after adding the doses of maintenence oil there would likally be a higher level of contamination going on in the oil. wonder how much zddp you can add to a base stock to keep the viscosity up before it just doen't behave like good oil anymore. At what point would it start to leave significant deposits....

I mean.. I'd be willing to bet you could do something similar with regular oil... you could take a good POA base 5W50 weight oil, and add a bottle of STP, and a bottle of Valvoline Synpower treatment, new filter, and maybe some ARX every 10k to keep the oil somewhat up to par and possibly extend the drain interval out to around 30k or more without any major side effects. There might be better addatives to consider but these are just what come to mind for me atm. Though- I wouldn't try this myself. hehe.

If there was a way to finance it I would like to do evaluations like that and then after a lot of miles tear the engine down and look at what happened. There are not many other ways to really know what's going oni.

I will step in here and play devils advocate even though I know how unproductive it is to come on an oil forum and admit it because forums such as this are more for the fanatics than the practical. But I have been using Synlube in one of my new vehicles for 11 months now and 7k miles and love it.

I was naturally very skeptical at first but got past alot of prejudices after much reading of his website and many collaborations through email. Alot of what he says just makes sense plus he is VERY knowledgeable, pioneering and respected in the industry (GM even apparently showed an interest in his oil way back). More importantly, even how small Synlube is, he never once seemed to infomercial it to me and has always maintained highest honesty which in turn gave me more confidence in trying Synlube. Even going as far as turning down another sure sale from me for my new leased car by honestly telling me it wasn't worth it.

I don't want to offend anyone, but to me it is silly how people come onto these boards and will debate to the cows come home which is better of two off-the-shelf dino's but can't objectively get themselves to see past their blinders that maybe SOME people outside of the big oil corps, whose best interest is in pushing 3k oil changes, can extend beyond what is currently available. It happens in every other industry why not motor oil. Or I laugh when I read posts of people mixing 5w-30 with a 20w-50 to get a 10w-40 for themselves of their favorite oil and thinking this is acceptable, but god forbid they put a unknown oil with claims of long intervals into their engine!

I also notice that some just don't understand how different Synlube is. Mixing a PAO with some STP and some Synpower is not even close to a fair comparison. Synlube is so unique with it's basestocks that current UOA's aren't able to be performed accurately on it (this has even been mentioned a while ago by Terry I beleive). Synlube has been able to get a GF-4 rating for years before the spec was announced and looks to even already be ahead of a GF-5.

The first thing I noticed with Synlube was it's color. I thought I had been sold USED motor oil when I first looked at it (of course just being sarcastic)! It is black from the get-go. Has a sweet smell to it as well.

After the switchover to Synlube, I noticed an immediate increase in my MPG's on the very next tank of gas. An increase of over 2.5 mpgs over ANY other past sample point had me really skeptical in that it must have just been an anomolly. But sure enough it has remained there SINCE.
The next surprise was even bigger for me. My wife drives the car daily since we bought it (it is hers really) and it had gone through two oil changes before synlube without a peep. The next day after changing the oil (she didn't know about Synlube and that I was going to it. Just thought it was a normal change), she had called me to tell me the car felt smoother to her and once even turned the key to start it at a stoplight (grinding it of course) as she thought it had stalled.

I am not here trying to convince the board to go and use Synlube. Only to not be SO quick to knock something that sounds impossible. Used to be that tune-ups were a 25k requirement and now are 100k+. I remember the skeptics back then insisting that they still will do theirs at 25k, etc (I was one). Now it seems we are at the same era with regards to oil. Even though UOA's prove that synthetics can extend change intervals. Synlube is the _full_ platinum spark plug compared to the platinum-tipped ones that first allowed to 50k tuneups...

Bud


PS - I am very close to doing my first filter change (they don't have a 'permanent' filter for my vehicle) and top up. I am thinking of sending a sample to him for his unique UOA just to see how the engine is holding up.

PSS - Email Synlube. He really is a nice guy and knows his stuff. Better yet, try it.

Budman, thank you for responding. You could do something to clear the air about Synlube.... send a sample to Terry Dyson, and at some interval, repeat it. Then share the results. We would sure like to see what a uoa would show. We understand it might be different. I use Red Line and all I hear is Red Line produces wierd results. I think a lot of people would like to see what's under the hood.

budman,
thanks for the post.