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#3453624 - 08/12/14 02:49 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: MCompact]
sasilverbullet Offline


Registered: 08/22/04
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: Miller88
[quote=Trajan]
Good question. Ask the goons at the federal level why it's now mandatory? Their reasoning? People were backing over their kids.


I'm betting that the next Safety Nanny crusade will involve the brain-dead morons who "forget" their kids are in the back seat and leave them in their car in the broiling sun.
I wonder what electronic panacea will be mandated to absolve those imbeciles of responsibility?


Don't give them any ideas... smile
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#3453683 - 08/12/14 03:56 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
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Backup cameras, good idea IMHO.

My mother has limited ability to rotate herself in the driver's seat. The more she can see with mirrors/cameras, the better.

I find it sad people seem opposed to a common sense idea apparently only because it is being mandated.
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#3453735 - 08/12/14 04:55 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
97tbird Offline


Registered: 05/09/03
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Some BITOGers still hate GPS/Navigation systems and want to fiddle with a paper map while driving with one hand, or knees.
I once got yelled at when I was asking for opinions about a Garmin GPS - grin2
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#3453753 - 08/12/14 05:07 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: sasilverbullet]
Nate1979 Offline


Registered: 04/08/13
Posts: 484
Loc: Portland, OR
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: Miller88
[quote=Trajan]
Good question. Ask the goons at the federal level why it's now mandatory? Their reasoning? People were backing over their kids.


I'm betting that the next Safety Nanny crusade will involve the brain-dead morons who "forget" their kids are in the back seat and leave them in their car in the broiling sun.
I wonder what electronic panacea will be mandated to absolve those imbeciles of responsibility?


Don't give them any ideas... smile


It's already happening. One of the auto podcasts I listen to was talking about an Interest group petitioning the government to fund a research project to develop just this type of technology. Of course the commentator said that this technology has been around a long time and was implemented many years ago on a Volvo (?? or maybe another manufacturer I don't recall exactly).
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#3453861 - 08/12/14 06:42 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 3539
Loc: Midwest
Having driven large and small vehicles from every decade since the 1940's and both backed and parallel parked them, I can assure you cars then were no easier nor were they more difficult to back or park. I never needed something like a camera-I always managed to maintain an awareness and sight picture of what is going on around my vehicle. No matter what direction I'm going, no matter what speed I'm going, no matter what maneuver I'm doing, I always know what is around my vehicle, and if something or someone comes close I know about it. If I'm in a position where I have to back out of a driveway I physically look behind and around the vehicle before I get in. When I do get in I maintain a constant awareness of what's around, and since I actually looked, I know what may be around to get near the vehicle.

If I ever get to the point that I have to rely upon something such as a camera to do what I should be able to do, then it's time to stop driving.


Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Some BITOGers still hate GPS/Navigation systems and want to fiddle with a paper map while driving with one hand, or knees.
I once got yelled at when I was asking for opinions about a Garmin GPS - grin2


Maybe you should do what I do-just look at a map before you leave and memorize the route. Then you don't need either your Garmin or your paper map. Simple concept, isn't it?

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts

My mother has limited ability to rotate herself in the driver's seat. The more she can see with mirrors/cameras, the better.



If her mobility is so limited that she can't actually look behind her then she shouldn't be allowed to drive.

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#3453906 - 08/12/14 07:20 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Pop_Rivit]
supton Offline


Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 4723
Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit


Maybe you should do what I do-just look at a map before you leave and memorize the route. Then you don't need either your Garmin or your paper map. Simple concept, isn't it?


My first drive to KY I blew a turn on I87 in NY. I had to drive ten miles (more?) to find an exit so I could consult a map to figure what I did wrong. That drive was 780 miles. Kinda hard to memorize all the side roads.

Hours later I thought I blew it again. Somehow I missed exit two... Nope no exit two in that state, it was in the next state!

I like looking at a map, and I generally print off the directions before I go someplace, but it sure is nice to have the gps.
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#3453995 - 08/12/14 08:36 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 33689
Loc: New Jersey
None of our cars have backup cameras. Looks like we won't have a choice but to have them in future cars. OK, could be a worse and more intrusive system. I drive a lot of rental cars, but usually compact ones without the cameras. When Ive had them, they have been handy but nothing Id miss.

We parallel park all the time. Downtown areas in cities and towns large and small often have parallel park, diagonal park and other such setups to maximize parking space. I cant recall ever bumping another car, except once, when I was 17 (very lightly, fortunately, no damage or marks). But that said, I do see lots of cars with really bad bump marks on bumpers. Because there are a ton of people with no clue how to park. Has always been that way, Im sure. I recall many people I grew up with who failed their DL test because of the parallel parking requirement (oddly, it was mostly girls, but Im sure plenty of guys cant park worth a darn either).

Situational awareness and knowing points of reference to be aware of where your car is, is very important. Many people are poor drivers, that has always been the case, and nothing has changed recently to make it worse, IMO (cell phone talking while parking aside). So I see this as a tool that may actually make poor parkers more capable. That's not a bad thing. Might it make parallel parking issues a thing of the past? Maybe, but is that a bad thing?

What's humorous is that folks want to buy ATs because people are too incapable/lazy to drive MT vehicles, yet they might look at a tool like this as a bad thing.

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit

Maybe you should do what I do-just look at a map before you leave and memorize the route. Then you don't need either your Garmin or your paper map. Simple concept, isn't it?


Interesting. So you memorize the back roads when going exploring in some small town in the middle of nowhere eight states away? Because we do that sort of thing quite often, and having a GPS as a tool is certainly safer, more rapid and more straightforward than navigating with an atlas, even when there are two of us aware in the car vs me solo on a business trip. No way would I want to pay for an embedded system, because the lifecycle cost risk and update business model is just plain stupid; but belittling another excellent tool is silly.

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#3454019 - 08/12/14 08:58 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 8417
Loc: Fayetteville, NC
So the memorized route is guaranteed to have no accidents, construction, or anything else that can happen which might make you take a diversion / alternate route?

GPS also displays info like where to find places of interest, gas stations, hospitals, restaurants, traffic conditions etc etc. Not to mention ETAs, fuel economy, also.

If someone thinks that looking at a map and memorizing a route is the same as a full function GPS....
IDK what to call that kind of thinking.
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#3454400 - 08/13/14 11:24 AM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1720
Loc: Storrs, Connecticut
The whole map vs. GPS thing goes back to what I said about technology being a great tool if used correctly. GPS devices are great. You get turn by turn directions, they prevent you from having to fumble with a map while driving, and they often prevent last minute turns and maneuvers. With the voice direction, drivers don't even have to take their eyes off the road, or if they do, its just for a second to glance up at the route. I consider all of these advancements to be very beneficial over maps. Taking your eyes off the road to punch the buttons and search through menus on your GPS while doing 80 mph down the highway is not safe, and not the correct way to use it.

Technology isn't the problem, people are the problem. You could create the most helpful technology in the world, and some idiot is still going to use it incorrectly. Just as Ron White always says, "You can't fix stupid".
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#3454449 - 08/13/14 12:23 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: MCompact]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 6574
Loc: Onondaga County
Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: Miller88
[quote=Trajan]
Good question. Ask the goons at the federal level why it's now mandatory? Their reasoning? People were backing over their kids.


I'm betting that the next Safety Nanny crusade will involve the brain-dead morons who "forget" their kids are in the back seat and leave them in their car in the broiling sun.
I wonder what electronic panacea will be mandated to absolve those imbeciles of responsibility?


Judging b what we have seen so far, it will probably add $3000 to the cost of the car and explode the windows so your toddler doesn't overheat. Of course, these systems will be a bit problematic and wear out (like TPMS), so when you car hits 4 years old, there is a good chance the windows will blow.
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#3454505 - 08/13/14 01:44 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Miller88]
pandus13 Offline


Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 547
Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: Miller88
[quote=Trajan]
Good question. Ask the goons at the federal level why it's now mandatory? Their reasoning? People were backing over their kids.


I'm betting that the next Safety Nanny crusade will involve the brain-dead morons who "forget" their kids are in the back seat and leave them in their car in the broiling sun.
I wonder what electronic panacea will be mandated to absolve those imbeciles of responsibility?


Judging b what we have seen so far, it will probably add $3000 to the cost of the car and explode the windows so your toddler doesn't overheat. Of course, these systems will be a bit problematic and wear out (like TPMS), so when you car hits 4 years old, there is a good chance the windows will blow.


Post of the day. Now where is that big cup icon from one year ago?
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#3454533 - 08/13/14 02:16 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
JustinH Offline


Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 3202
Loc: Texas
my new toyota rav4 has a backup camera.

I do not like it.

It will take some getting used to, but it deffinitely belongs on vehicles with poor rear visibility.

It does not need to be on entry level cars however.
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#3454849 - 08/13/14 09:07 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
CaspianM Offline


Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 490
Loc: Ky
Camera helps you to protect those bumper's paint. smile
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