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#3430629 - 07/20/14 08:53 PM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Cristobal]
Nate1979 Offline


Registered: 04/08/13
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The Puro quality issue has already shown up on other forums.
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#3430630 - 07/20/14 08:53 PM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Donald]
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Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Donald
Your avg. Joe mechanic who buys a filter at Walmart or AZ or AAP has never cut open a filter and knows nothing of the issue.
I suspect Purolator will sell about 50 less filters/yr, mainly due to some BITOG members not buying them.

If you want to push the issue, make the product buyers at Walmart or AZ or AAP aware.

We'd probably see results if Bosch raised a stink or if Motorcrafts started exhibiting tears.
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#3430633 - 07/20/14 08:56 PM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Rat407]
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Registered: 09/15/11
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Originally Posted By: Rat407
I'm sure they would act faster if a few trashed engine claims were filled due to their filter media issues. Seems when money and lawyers get involved then things start to change.


Even with a torn media it would be incredibly difficult to prove that the filter was the problem. Especially as the miles pile on. At 100k+ it's an extremely hard sell that the filter you put on trashed the engine.

So outside the can exploding or the O-ring failing they know there will be near 0 claims. And those that try will mostly be in the classic "who has more money and better lawyers".
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#3430682 - 07/20/14 09:17 PM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Cristobal]
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When the buying public loses confidence in a product, the manufacturer should take it seriously and take corrective action. If not, it must live with reduced sales. That is, unless the public has a short memory and still buys the problem product. I think BITOG members are smarter than that, and there are many solid alternatives to Purolator.
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#3430878 - 07/21/14 07:25 AM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Rat407]
Bluestream Offline


Registered: 09/13/03
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Loc: Waterloo, ON
Originally Posted By: Rat407
I'm sure they would act faster if a few trashed engine claims were filled due to their filter media issues. Seems when money and lawyers get involved then things start to change.



How can a torn filter trash an engine? VW Beetle never even had an oil filter and they lasted 100K
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#3431047 - 07/21/14 11:33 AM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Bluestream]
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Rat407
I'm sure they would act faster if a few trashed engine claims were filled due to their filter media issues. Seems when money and lawyers get involved then things start to change.



How can a torn filter trash an engine? VW Beetle never even had an oil filter and they lasted 100K


If a piece of media tears off and goes down into the engine, it could do some damage. There have been cases where small chunks of filter media blocked piston oiling jets, which caused lack of oiling on the pistons and subsequent damage.

It would be rare, but it could happen.
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#3431450 - 07/21/14 05:59 PM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: ZeeOSix]
Bluestream Offline


Registered: 09/13/03
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Rat407
I'm sure they would act faster if a few trashed engine claims were filled due to their filter media issues. Seems when money and lawyers get involved then things start to change.



How can a torn filter trash an engine? VW Beetle never even had an oil filter and they lasted 100K


If a piece of media tears off and goes down into the engine, it could do some damage. There have been cases where small chunks of filter media blocked piston oiling jets, which caused lack of oiling on the pistons and subsequent damage.

It would be rare, but it could happen.


Highly unlikely, but you could make the same claim for any oil filter
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#3431467 - 07/21/14 06:16 PM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Bluestream]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Highly unlikely, but you could make the same claim for any oil filter


Yes, but only for filters that tear or blow-out the media. That's why filters that do that are undesirable, because the risk is still there, even though it's a small risk. Personally, I'll take zero risk over small risk.

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#3432153 - 07/22/14 10:56 AM Re: Filter Stash Strategy [Re: Cristobal]
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Registered: 08/21/13
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Loc: Central Maryland
After personally experiencing a tear, my filter stash strategy is as follows:

1. Auction my Purolator stash on eBay for auction in lots starting at 99 cents, two kinds of filters, so two lots of 2 and 3 each. The market will determine their true value.

2. Buy two Wix, Baldwin or Hastings, use both before buying two more.

3. Trust & Verify- Cut each and every used filter can with my new Longacre.

Why not Fram Ultra's? It's a matter of trust. I trust Fram to make constant changes. Trust is more important than 4% more efficiency (or whatever %). Trust is more important than a 3-4 dollar price differential.

Why two? I like having a spare around "just in case", but now I'll sweat going a few days after using the second filter before I get the next two. If society ends in the meantime and I can't get more, my last filter will last longer than my gasoline.
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