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#3255173 - 01/21/14 02:09 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: oilmaven]
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Originally Posted By: oilmaven
You still see quite a few of these on the road. For some reason they were determined to be "sporty" cars and young people love them for that reason (never mind the problems...it's sporty!). The interiors are truly junk...Pontiac had to have the worst quality interiors (particularly that cheap dash)ever. I was also never a fan of the Pontiac exhaust note...purposely louder than it's competitors to forward the "sporty" image...just made the car louder to me (they did the same thing with the Grand Prix and Bonneville). With some work (noted intake gasket, etc.) the engines last a long time but everything else is questionable...I'd look elsewhere.


So mister Suzuki/Mercury owner. Why don't tell me what else is questionable?

I owned a 01 Grand Prix GTP and a 98 Bonneville. (Currently own a flawless 04 GTP) I put 270,000 on both of them seperately. What should have been questionable? I race in a club with at least 20 modified W-bodies that didn't have "questionable issues" What are we talking? Try and be specific. Like what broke. I could see if you mentioned the 4T65E, but the interiors on both of those cars never broke, sun roof and heads up display always worked. Leather stayed nice and never had a problem with the dash. Just like all the other guys I race with. I can't remember chainging any electronics or related. So I have to ask how bad was the one you owned? I am interested. I have not had one problem with any of the dashes in any of my Pontiacs including my 11 second WS6, not a rattle from that car. HMMM all the electronics work in that too. Interesting.

So please let me know what I should be watching for. I appreciate it.

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#3255203 - 01/21/14 02:36 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: ls1mike]
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Originally Posted By: ls1mike
This place kills me sometimes.


Me too. Always good for a laugh...
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#3255235 - 01/21/14 03:11 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: Char Baby]
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Indeed! They certainly can be bargins smile
Often, you just don't know what you'll be getting in terms of repairs as they're so known for being problematic.

Just using this a an example/comparison. Not to take the subject into left field.

Sure, I know one family that actually had better luck with a GrandAm than a Camry laugh No lie! But, most folks that I know that have driven Grand Am's would never buy'em again for obvious reasons mentioned. And most typical Camry owners keep buying Camry's again due to good experiences.

Again! Sure you can get a good GA. Not every single GA made was a disaster! smile


So... after sharing all of that hot air, and hyperbole that could be applied to any used car, let me ask this. How many Grand Ams do you have first hand experience with?
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#3255720 - 01/21/14 09:36 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: ram_man]
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Appropriate for this thread and many like it...
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#3255918 - 01/22/14 07:08 AM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: ram_man]
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After many years of posting on this site I find myself visiting less and less these days. The constant insults and vitriol I read here are an absolute turn off...and unnecessary. My Suzuki was purchased before the company decided to exit the US...I decided to keep the car rather than lose my shirt by trying to sell it. Best car I've ever owned...absolutely flawless over 51,000 miles and still drives like new. I paid $3,500 for the Villager (Nissan Quest clone) from an old guy in Indiana with 62,000 miles and just turned 110,000 miles...the van has needed a thermostat, front brake pads and I recently replaced the cv shafts...other than that, no problems. So what's with the comparison between MY vehicles and the Grand Am? I stick to my assertion that these vehicles were NOT the best example of American automotive excellence due to the afore-mentioned issues (sorry, those engines may last but the gaskets, etc. are [censored] design)...and yes, there are undoubtedly a lot of satisfied owners out there. The endless attacks and insults to make a point on other members here is ridiculous...they're CARS for chrissakes! Quite frankly, I have better things to worry about these days (like retirement, my health, etc.). I'll continue to enjoy being a "car" guy but can find other outlets without the over-the-top reactions that seem too common here anymore. Do these people react this way to EVERYTHING?
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#3255930 - 01/22/14 07:21 AM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: oilmaven]
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Registered: 06/14/08
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Originally Posted By: oilmaven
After many years of posting on this site I find myself visiting less and less these days. The constant insults and vitriol I read here are an absolute turn off...and unnecessary. My Suzuki was purchased before the company decided to exit the US...I decided to keep the car rather than lose my shirt by trying to sell it. Best car I've ever owned...absolutely flawless over 51,000 miles and still drives like new. I paid $3,500 for the Villager (Nissan Quest clone) from an old guy in Indiana with 62,000 miles and just turned 110,000 miles...the van has needed a thermostat, front brake pads and I recently replaced the cv shafts...other than that, no problems. So what's with the comparison between MY vehicles and the Grand Am? I stick to my assertion that these vehicles were NOT the best example of American automotive excellence due to the afore-mentioned issues (sorry, those engines may last but the gaskets, etc. are [censored] design)...and yes, there are undoubtedly a lot of satisfied owners out there. The endless attacks and insults to make a point on other members here is ridiculous...they're CARS for chrissakes! Quite frankly, I have better things to worry about these days (like retirement, my health, etc.). I'll continue to enjoy being a "car" guy but can find other outlets without the over-the-top reactions that seem too common here anymore. Do these people react this way to EVERYTHING?


I have to ask where I insulted you? If you feel insulted well I apologize, but to have not owned a Pontiac, I assumed you have not based off your response, and then tell people about how poor Pontiacs are and lump them all together is poor advice. I may have asked it in a condescending way, so I apologize for that, but it is only because like so many here you lumped a bunch of stuff together with no facts.
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#3256003 - 01/22/14 08:48 AM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: mrsilv04]
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Indeed! They certainly can be bargins smile
Often, you just don't know what you'll be getting in terms of repairs as they're so known for being problematic.

Just using this a an example/comparison. Not to take the subject into left field.

Sure, I know one family that actually had better luck with a GrandAm than a Camry laugh No lie! But, most folks that I know that have driven Grand Am's would never buy'em again for obvious reasons mentioned. And most typical Camry owners keep buying Camry's again due to good experiences.

Again! Sure you can get a good GA. Not every single GA made was a disaster! smile


So... after sharing all of that hot air, and hyperbole that could be applied to any used car, let me ask this. How many Grand Ams do you have first hand experience with?


Let me say that I am not killing the Grand Am, the lack of sales due to poor customer satisfaction did. If the GA is a well maintained, priced right used car, Buy it!

I've always love my Pontiac's(had 4 myself) and still have my '80 FORMULA for the last 34 years and enjoy it regularly in he summer's. I much prefer the GP's and Bonny's over the GA's smile

I've not owned GrandAm's personaly(for those reasons and others such as cramped feeling interior) but, we in our very close circle of family/friends, have had 5 GrandAms(I had much hands on w/repairs) with a varirty of engine(drivetrain setups). And if I recall correctly, they were and 88-89 w/Buick 3.0 V6 or Iron Duke w/5spd man, 91-93 w/Olds Quad 4 and later models(can't remember the year) with 3.4 V6. Most were automatics though.

Mainly it was numerous electrical issues and sensors(can't remember all the issues of ecah). One actually has so many issues that they filed arbitration and won. And the others with V6's had their share of IM Gasket/Head Gasket failures. Though I love GM Auto Trannys! smile

Mainly it was owner dissatisfaction with the overall product that those in our circle chose to buy other name plates.


Edited by Char Baby (01/22/14 08:52 AM)
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#3256051 - 01/22/14 09:38 AM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: mrsilv04]
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In addition:

One early-mid 90's GrandAm had a Buick 3.3 w/3spd auto and this friend in particular had decent success with it but, didn't keep it long as I believe it was a lease.

That is my particular experience with GA but, no personal ownership!
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#3256090 - 01/22/14 10:23 AM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: ram_man]
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My Grand Am is pretty good. Its a handsome car and is very solid on the road. During the summer she regularly gets 30 mpg. I have put some work into it. Front wheel bearings, alternator, ac compressor, crank position sensor. The shaft seals are a problem on the compressors. I love the 3.4. I've had three. Just wish this one had a 5 speed.
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#3256249 - 01/22/14 12:50 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: ram_man]
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when i worked at sonic drive-in during high school, one of my schoolmates won a scratchoff for a million dollars. a few days later his beater car broken down near a pontiac dealership. he bought himself a brand spanking new white 1996 pontiac grand am v6.

i can only chuckle to myself now that this million dollar owner's car is probably rotting in a junkyard somewhere now, but at least he paid off his mothers mortgage.
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#3256274 - 01/22/14 01:06 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: oilmaven]
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Registered: 02/05/03
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Loc: Arkansas
Originally Posted By: oilmaven
.... The interiors are truly junk...Pontiac had to have the worst quality interiors (particularly that cheap dash)ever. I was also never a fan of the Pontiac exhaust note... ....


Huh?

The interior in my '04 GTO was great. Most comfortable seats I've ever had in an automobile.

The interior in my G8 is OK - it's not as nice as our Jaguars, the leather is harder than I like, but it's hardly junk. The Torrent GXP is quite nice, actually. The Solstice has nice two tone leather seats with very soft leather, but, even two toned, the plastic does look cheap - I'll give you that. It should have been improved on considering the car stickered in the mid 30's.

No offense, but I don't think Suzuki's are noted for their interior quality (bought one for a high schooler) and I'm not sure Villagers are noted for, well, anything ...

Back on topic, the GA is one of the most common cars on the road around here, every secretary bought a GA or a Mustang, so there should be plenty to choose from.
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#3256467 - 01/22/14 03:50 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: ram_man]
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I am confident that the newer/newest(pre G6) Grand Am's were the best GA's ever.

I certainly don't want to get on a Grand Am bashing frenzie!


Edited by Char Baby (01/22/14 03:51 PM)
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#3256488 - 01/22/14 04:08 PM Re: tell me about grand am's [Re: Char Baby]
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I am confident that the newer/newest(pre G6) Grand Am's were the best GA's ever.

I certainly don't want to get on a Grand Am bashing frenzie!


Nah, I don't think anyone is thinking that. I never said the Grand Am was
the best car ever, just people lumping a group of cars toghether when their experience is second, third or 33rd hand gets old. I stay out of threads about them if I don't have first hand experience with them or I am familiar with them such as a TDI or GM offerings. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you have to consider the source.
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