Recent Topics
Clean and/or soak piston rings. Inline honda 4cyl?
by t1snwrbrdr12
03/03/15 08:46 AM
Observation with DI engine
by Swift101
03/03/15 08:43 AM
Any a.m. coffee drinkers ever quit ... not easy.
by LoneRanger
03/03/15 08:28 AM
Friction Modifier needed if track lock defective?
by OlDirty
03/03/15 07:17 AM
Woke Up To Acrid Odor and Noise From Basement...
by gathermewool
03/03/15 07:15 AM
Valvoline Injector and carby cleaner
by 19jacobob93
03/03/15 06:42 AM
Used car pre purchase inspection etiquette
by slowdime
03/03/15 06:06 AM
Oh those screwy Canadians
by Rick in PA
03/03/15 05:41 AM
too much oil - crankshaft splash
by thomasew
03/03/15 05:03 AM
Interesting Fram filter: Jaguar/AM/RR/Bentley
by Christian_89LSC_96XJR
03/03/15 01:50 AM
Toyota Red and Pink LL Coolant
by e55amgbenz007
03/02/15 11:25 PM
TGMO 0W20 Cases
by e55amgbenz007
03/02/15 11:22 PM
Newest Members
ZPA6, geognol, akv, ozigoo, MIketitan
53012 Registered Users
Who's Online
111 registered (77GrandPrix, 05LGTLtd, ARCOgraphite, asiancivicmaniac, 3800Series, badtlc, 10 invisible), 1462 Guests and 279 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
53012 Members
66 Forums
227458 Topics
3628403 Posts

Max Online: 2862 @ 07/07/14 03:10 PM
Donate to BITOG
Topic Options
#3202455 - 11/30/13 08:53 PM ALS Analysis?
PhilH Offline


Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 3
Loc: MoTown
As part of my BND oil purchase, I paid for a prepaid sample kit.

After I pulled the sample, looked at the lab, and thought to myself, I've never heard of this company.

I was going to forget about the money already spent and send the sample to blackstone. Wish i had thought about it and pulled two samples frown

Has anybody heard of ALS? Are they reputable? Can I split the sample and send it to both labs? If so, just shake it up real good before splitting it?

I got sucked into the BND oil sales pitch, and will post the results as soon as they come back. It will be another year before I can post the next sample for comparison with M1-E

Top
#3202532 - 11/30/13 11:06 PM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
Donald Online   content


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 14300
Loc: Upstate NY
Well I have never heard of them myself, but keep in mind that major labs like Polaris offer a private label option to companies willing to buy a few thousand sample kits. That is what OAI is. Amsoil contracts with Polaris to provide the reports and have the report say "OAI" rather than Polaris, but the format is the same as Polaris.

I myself do not think Blackstone is the lab to compare against.
_________________________
2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4.0 - PP & M1
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 w/Cummins - Rotella T6 & M1
Amsoil ATF in both vehicles & Magnefine filter.

Top
#3202547 - 11/30/13 11:32 PM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
Hermann Offline


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 2377
Loc: Kansas City
ALS Tribiology also is the company that test samples for the Wix oil analysis kits that are prepaid.
_________________________
2008 Tacoma SR-5 Access Cab I-4 5-speed manual - 5w-20 Valvoline WB - Purolator PL10241 YCOD
1991 BMW R100GS 20w-50 Maxlife & Mahle OX36D filter

Top
#3202584 - 12/01/13 04:19 AM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
INDYMAC Offline


Registered: 07/15/06
Posts: 2338
Loc: Magnolia, TX
I believe Molakule uses ALS quite often. Maybe you should ask him about pros and cons.
_________________________
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4X4 5.7L FFV
2012 Toyota 4Runner 2WD SR5
2004 Honda S2000

Top
#3202604 - 12/01/13 06:10 AM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
tc1446 Offline


Registered: 12/10/10
Posts: 523
Loc: NC
I've used ALS for over two years for a total of 6 tests of oil from my
Can Am. They cover everything that Blackstone does except contamination of fuel
in the oil (I think Blackstone does this?), and they include TBN, no extra charge for it.

As to how they compare technically with others, I have no way of knowing. I would
have to believe that since WIX and Napa sell their sample kits they have to be
a reputable company.


Edited by tc1446 (12/01/13 06:11 AM)
_________________________
'13 Accord EX-L
'00 Ford Ranger {46K}
'14 Can Am SE6 (13K)

Top
#3202628 - 12/01/13 07:06 AM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: tc1446]
Donald Online   content


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 14300
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: tc1446
I've used ALS for over two years for a total of 6 tests of oil from my
Can Am. They cover everything that Blackstone does except contamination of fuel
in the oil (I think Blackstone does this?), and they include TBN, no extra charge for it.

As to how they compare technically with others, I have no way of knowing. I would
have to believe that since WIX and Napa sell their sample kits they have to be
a reputable company.


But fuel in the oil is important for many new DI engines.

What about oxidation and nitration?
_________________________
2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4.0 - PP & M1
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 w/Cummins - Rotella T6 & M1
Amsoil ATF in both vehicles & Magnefine filter.

Top
#3202742 - 12/01/13 10:12 AM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
PhilH Offline


Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 3
Loc: MoTown
Should I even bother with Blackstone then?

I was concerned that ALS had some relationship with BND other than selling the kits.

Top
#3202751 - 12/01/13 10:28 AM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
k24a4 Offline


Registered: 11/12/09
Posts: 676
Loc: MA
This may help. Mikeysoft recently had the oil tested on his 2013 Honda Accord by 3 labs, ALS, CAT, and Blackstone, scroll down for the results: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3044859/2

All of the numbers line up quite well, in my opinion, except for Aluminum. ALS and CAT had ppm similar to each other but significantly higher than Blackstone.

I've been using ALS (through WIX) for my last 4 oil samples and have no complaints.
_________________________
'04 Accord I4 EX 5-man 143500mi PU 5w-20 SM P1
'93 Miata 5-man 122450mi PU SN 5w-30 P1
'95 Kawasaki ZG1000
'93 Honda ST1100


Top
#3203165 - 12/01/13 05:18 PM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: INDYMAC]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 15048
Loc: Iowegia
Originally Posted By: INDYMAC
I believe Molakule uses ALS quite often. Maybe you should ask him about pros and cons.


ALS is a good analysis company.

They seem to be a bit slower than Blackstone, but they also seem to be accurate. They do charge extra for sulfur analysis but it seems everyone is charging extra for sulfur analysis.

Both Blackstone and ALS have performed well for me.
_________________________
Since it was so cold, I'm spending a cozy evening at home, staring at a beautiful fire and wishing it wasn't inside my microwave. Oops! smile

Top
#3204024 - 12/02/13 02:48 PM Re: ALS Analysis? [Re: PhilH]
PhilH Offline


Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 3
Loc: MoTown
ok then!

I'll get the sample of BND oil off in the next few days and post the results when I get them. In approximately 12 months we'll be able to compare those results to M1 extended smile

Top