PHILIPS 9011/HIR1

Posted by: Pablo

PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 01/30/14 11:01 PM

Thoughts on the new PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 bulbs???
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 01/31/14 07:51 AM

Oddly I can't find these on the Philips site. They are not really "new". I was just wondering if anyone had experience.

http://store.candlepower.com/9011.html

I plan on doing the famous conversion, as I have done other cars using the HIR2.
Posted by: Smokescreen

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 01/31/14 10:46 AM

From what I have heard they are at least as good as the outgoing version...if not better. They don't rely on pure HIR to get the output though like they used to from what I understand.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 01/31/14 11:02 AM

That's what I've been reading. I went ahead and ordered a pair. I'll report back.
Posted by: Hollow

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 01/31/14 02:52 PM

I have the older version of Phillips 9011's as a high beam upgrade in my Outback. Took about 1 minute per bulb to trim the tab on the base to fit where the stock bulb was 9005.

Very good improvement. Brighter without going blue-white in color.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/04/14 06:31 AM

I've been using them for over a year. Same pair and they work great. 9012s and 9011s. Get them from Amazon though. Candlepower's prices are awful.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/04/14 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: simple_simon
I've been using them for over a year. Same pair and they work great. 9012s and 9011s. Get them from Amazon though. Candlepower's prices are awful.


I bought them from a guy with a good rating on fleabay $40 delivered (no they weren't "used" grin2) . I did the trimming last night. Will install this week or weekend.

I STILL think it's odd they are not on the PHILIPS web site.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/04/14 11:24 PM

I am interested to find out, if they are better then the 9011 and actually HIR quality still
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/05/14 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
I am interested to find out, if they are better then the 9011 and actually HIR quality still


I'll let you know my subjective opinions, but there was enough online to convince me at the very least they are better than stock:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/200-series-cruisers/701565-hir1-high-beam-bulbs-brightest.html
Posted by: Vikas

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/05/14 08:29 AM

Anybody came across H4 HIR yet?
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/05/14 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Anybody came across H4 HIR yet?


No such thing. HIR are 9011 and 9012.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/07/14 08:42 PM

VERY VERY nice light on HIGH. The old bulbs were on 60W, so just the 65W alone is nice. I have not driven the car, just installed and tried them behind the garage.

Now here's the bad news. Subaru had this not so great idea to use the high beams throttled back as the DRL's. Really stupid, IMHO, with a ginormous resistor to drop the voltage. The bulbs I took out already had some nice yellow stains inside. I'm afraid the bulb life will be squadouche with the stock bulbs which are Sylvania Halogen 9005 60W.

It will be really interesting to see how these 9011's look as DRL's. I wish I knew the resistor value and such so I could do some calculations.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/08/14 01:08 AM

just an fyi, amazon has a seller selling toshiba style hir1 bulbs in an ac delco box, these have the old style toshiba bulb shape and coating. they are 23 each i will be installing them tomorrow in my subaru outback. I did check mine and the day time running lamps on mine are the low beams seems dumb of subaru to do high beams for drl since they generally have such a short life span
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/08/14 08:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
just an fyi, amazon has a seller selling toshiba style hir1 bulbs in an ac delco box, these have the old style toshiba bulb shape and coating. they are 23 each i will be installing them tomorrow in my subaru outback. I did check mine and the day time running lamps on mine are the low beams seems dumb of subaru to do high beams for drl since they generally have such a short life span


Very interesting. I had seen those on ebay and somehow didn't think they were real Toshiba. How are yours marked? Thanks and the Amazon price is great relative to ebay.

On the DRL, I am seriously considering disabling mine. It's legal, but I hate the idea of disabling a safety feature. On the WRX it's pretty easy. There also is a fix that allows you to direct the DRL to the fog lights, but it involves tapping into wires and such. I'm shy of doing such things on a car with 998 miles.
Posted by: Garak

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/08/14 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
On the DRL, I am seriously considering disabling mine. It's legal, but I hate the idea of disabling a safety feature.

Generally speaking, from a fleet perspective and in a jurisdiction where DRLs have been around for a long time, there are times to disable them and times to leave them alone. If they're not intrusive and they're reliable, leave them alone (i.e. Chev pickups in their original DRL implementation). When they're problematic (i.e. Crown Vic and Town Car c. 2000 MY), that's the time to disable them. wink They were problematic on their own, let alone when the electrical was tampered with for taxi or police service. Ford was even getting very owly up here with respect to the module and warranty for the module when the car was used in taxi or police service.
Posted by: Vikas

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/08/14 02:53 PM

You can always manually turn on the headlights every time you drive. That will defeat the DRL without having to do anything else. Think of that as manual DRL :-)
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/08/14 07:36 PM

they were generic marked but there is no doubt it is a toshiba HIR they have the special coating you can see in the right light and the funky globe, i think ill buy more before there gone since i run them in my cx9 as well
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/09/14 08:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
they were generic marked but there is no doubt it is a toshiba HIR they have the special coating you can see in the right light and the funky globe, i think ill buy more before there gone since i run them in my cx9 as well


So how do they look? I asked on Amazon and a guy said they have Toshiba brand on his. I bought two pairs. I assume they fit fine with the standard modification.

BTW Philips NEVER answered my email.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/09/14 09:14 AM

yeah they are straight up HIR they look like my toshiba branded ones at night. I have no doubt the new ones are good, but it was my understanding the coating is what allowed them to produce the lumens, so without it the newer ones, im just not sure how they are doing it without overdriving the filament
Posted by: B25urgandy

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/10/14 10:53 PM

We have the 9011 and 9012 (HIR1 & HIR2) in our 2010 Dodge Journey. They Journey uses the high beam on low power as the DRL as well. With this we have not experienced any issues other than it will have a shorter life (which would affect the standard bulb as well). The low beam compared to stock is absolutely noticeable, it isn't a "well I think I see the difference" it's an obvious "wow thats a lot brighter!" I do not have nay before or after pictures but you'll have to take my word on it. The only thing I had to do is trim the tabs a little bit, which I did using a craftsman multi cutter thingamabob. They also do not have any silver "caps" on the end of the bulb like standard bulbs have on them; which you can really tell with the brights on. The brights with these bulbs are crazy they really are. The Journey has reflector headlights and with these bulbs they are the best reflector type headlights I have ever had the chance to drive with at night. We also have 2 Astras with projectors with "old" bulbs and the DJ outshines them for now. That might change since the Astra takes a HIR bulb as well.
Edit:
BTW I got my HIR from candlepower store they are great to deal with, their products are 100% authentic and not [censored] knockoffs. I get my bulbs for all our cars/motorcycles from them. They also sell brighter halogen bulbs for turnsignals/brakes and 194s and such. That is if you aren't into the LED scene or your car is not LED friendly.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 08:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
VERY VERY nice light on HIGH. The old bulbs were on 60W, so just the 65W alone is nice. I have not driven the car, just installed and tried them behind the garage.

Now here's the bad news. Subaru had this not so great idea to use the high beams throttled back as the DRL's. Really stupid, IMHO, with a ginormous resistor to drop the voltage. The bulbs I took out already had some nice yellow stains inside. I'm afraid the bulb life will be squadouche with the stock bulbs which are Sylvania Halogen 9005 60W.

It will be really interesting to see how these 9011's look as DRL's. I wish I knew the resistor value and such so I could do some calculations.


They work fine in the high beams as DRLs. My BMW does the exact same with since I installed a Canadian DRL module. Still on the same two sets of HIRs and they're still great.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 08:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
they were generic marked but there is no doubt it is a toshiba HIR they have the special coating you can see in the right light and the funky globe, i think ill buy more before there gone since i run them in my cx9 as well


"Our testing has the HIR1(was 9011) running 10.8% brighter than the Toshiba with a differently designed and upgraded filament gas mixture which also maintains the lumen maintenance throughout 70% of its life hours."

"This brand-new Philips bulb incorporates a burner based on the latest version of high-tech H7 architecture. It has a high-precision filament coil, 5-axis focused and positioned within the burner by filament supports configured to leave a metal-free zone around the filament. The thermal image comparison you see on this page shows how the new design gives vastly improved control over unwanted reflections of the filament from the bulb wall and filament supports. This greatly improves beam focus and reduces shadows and glare light within the beam. The tubular bulb gives excellent control of stray light, and it's made of low-distortion quartz with a new infrared-reflective coating with maximized optical clarity. The fill gas has been newly formulated to give the HIR2/9012 bulb's characteristic extremely high light output with very long life.

This new Philips bulb has the highest luminance of any HIR2 (9012) ever made: 30 Mcd/m2. That's 25% better than the previous best-in-class Toshiba bulb. The improvement can be clearly seen in the thermal image comparison, and it gives the driver a significant increase in beam punch, boosting the ability to see what must be seen at night and in bad weather in time to avoid a collision. Light quality is bright white, with an excellent color temperature of 3450K.

Rated lifespan is 1400 hours (Tc). That's 40% longer than previous designs, making this not only the brightest and best but also the most cost-effective HIR2 (9012) bulb ever made."

*****

Sounds like you got hosed buying the old Toshibas.
Posted by: B25urgandy

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 11:36 AM

Originally Posted By: simple_simon


They work fine in the high beams as DRLs. My BMW does the exact same with since I installed a Canadian DRL module. Still on the same two sets of HIRs and they're still great.

Like I said as well. Our Dodge Journey has the HIRs (phillips brand) install in both high and low beam and with the high beam as DRL we have seen no problem and they look good. Had them installed for almost 14 months and no problem with them, still very bright.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 12:17 PM

i wouldnt ever say I got hosed buying the Toshiba,it is a superior bulb, as for the claims i suppose once i see an independent test verifying they are indeed better and last longer ill buy into it, until then that sounds to me like a fancy way of saying we overdrive the filament to achieve the lumens, we've been getting the run around of filament design and special gas mixes in the bulbs for years, but in reality most just over drive the filament to achieve superior lumens, but it comes at a cost of life generally. Toshiba was the first to show that incandescent lighting can be high performance with long life, so while the new ones may pan out to be superior, im not ready to jump ship yet, nor will i ever feel i got ripped off, its a cutting edge bulb even to this day
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 01:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
i wouldnt ever say I got hosed buying the Toshiba,it is a superior bulb, as for the claims i suppose once i see an independent test verifying they are indeed better and last longer ill buy into it, until then that sounds to me like a fancy way of saying we overdrive the filament to achieve the lumens, we've been getting the run around of filament design and special gas mixes in the bulbs for years, but in reality most just over drive the filament to achieve superior lumens, but it comes at a cost of life generally. Toshiba was the first to show that incandescent lighting can be high performance with long life, so while the new ones may pan out to be superior, im not ready to jump ship yet, nor will i ever feel i got ripped off, its a cutting edge bulb even to this day


LOL as to the Toshiba bulb being superior. Philips uses a better gas mix but I guess that you didn't feel like reading. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?243470-New-Philips-HIR2-scrutinized
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 04:51 PM

I never said it was superior to the Phillips in specific, superior in its context meant a fantastic bulb, I simply stated fact, the Toshiba HIR is an established performer and the Phillips has to prove itself with the years of service the Toshiba has in the HIR field,I have read the reports and data sheets on the Phillips with great interest, I understand the concept. But it is new and needs time to prove itself both in tests and years of use. I am sure it is a great bulb but if i can get the Toshiba design, I will gladly purchase them knowing it is a proven winner. I'm not going to engage in trolling I simply shared a place to find the original Toshiba bulbs whether you like it or not.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/11/14 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: Dupree
i wouldnt ever say I got hosed buying the Toshiba,it is a superior bulb, as for the claims i suppose once i see an independent test verifying they are indeed better and last longer ill buy into it, until then that sounds to me like a fancy way of saying we overdrive the filament to achieve the lumens, we've been getting the run around of filament design and special gas mixes in the bulbs for years, but in reality most just over drive the filament to achieve superior lumens, but it comes at a cost of life generally. Toshiba was the first to show that incandescent lighting can be high performance with long life, so while the new ones may pan out to be superior, im not ready to jump ship yet, nor will i ever feel i got ripped off, its a cutting edge bulb even to this day


LOL as to the Toshiba bulb being superior. Philips uses a better gas mix but I guess that you didn't feel like reading. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?243470-New-Philips-HIR2-scrutinized


I think you may be right about the HIR2, well at least I mean that it's a pretty good bulb. But that is not what I started this thread about. I asked about the HIR1 and I still maintain there is very little real data bout the Philips HIR1. And Philips apparently is not talking and doesn't even show them on their site. And never even responded to my email. All quite odd in my book.

I have purchased some Delco Toshiba HIR1's so I will at least visually compare to the Philips.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/13/14 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: Dupree
i wouldnt ever say I got hosed buying the Toshiba,it is a superior bulb, as for the claims i suppose once i see an independent test verifying they are indeed better and last longer ill buy into it, until then that sounds to me like a fancy way of saying we overdrive the filament to achieve the lumens, we've been getting the run around of filament design and special gas mixes in the bulbs for years, but in reality most just over drive the filament to achieve superior lumens, but it comes at a cost of life generally. Toshiba was the first to show that incandescent lighting can be high performance with long life, so while the new ones may pan out to be superior, im not ready to jump ship yet, nor will i ever feel i got ripped off, its a cutting edge bulb even to this day


LOL as to the Toshiba bulb being superior. Philips uses a better gas mix but I guess that you didn't feel like reading. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?243470-New-Philips-HIR2-scrutinized


I think you may be right about the HIR2, well at least I mean that it's a pretty good bulb. But that is not what I started this thread about. I asked about the HIR1 and I still maintain there is very little real data bout the Philips HIR1. And Philips apparently is not talking and doesn't even show them on their site. And never even responded to my email. All quite odd in my book.

I have purchased some Delco Toshiba HIR1's so I will at least visually compare to the Philips.


You don't like reading either? Sheesh. Maybe you can look upwards a few posts and read about the specific differnces in performance between the Toshiba and Philips HIR1 bubls.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/13/14 03:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
I never said it was superior to the Phillips in specific, superior in its context meant a fantastic bulb, I simply stated fact, the Toshiba HIR is an established performer and the Phillips has to prove itself with the years of service the Toshiba has in the HIR field,I have read the reports and data sheets on the Phillips with great interest, I understand the concept. But it is new and needs time to prove itself both in tests and years of use. I am sure it is a great bulb but if i can get the Toshiba design, I will gladly purchase them knowing it is a proven winner. I'm not going to engage in trolling I simply shared a place to find the original Toshiba bulbs whether you like it or not.


Um, the Philips have been available for 5 years. ROTFLMAO
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/13/14 05:55 AM

Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: Dupree
i wouldnt ever say I got hosed buying the Toshiba,it is a superior bulb, as for the claims i suppose once i see an independent test verifying they are indeed better and last longer ill buy into it, until then that sounds to me like a fancy way of saying we overdrive the filament to achieve the lumens, we've been getting the run around of filament design and special gas mixes in the bulbs for years, but in reality most just over drive the filament to achieve superior lumens, but it comes at a cost of life generally. Toshiba was the first to show that incandescent lighting can be high performance with long life, so while the new ones may pan out to be superior, im not ready to jump ship yet, nor will i ever feel i got ripped off, its a cutting edge bulb even to this day


LOL as to the Toshiba bulb being superior. Philips uses a better gas mix but I guess that you didn't feel like reading. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?243470-New-Philips-HIR2-scrutinized


I think you may be right about the HIR2, well at least I mean that it's a pretty good bulb. But that is not what I started this thread about. I asked about the HIR1 and I still maintain there is very little real data bout the Philips HIR1. And Philips apparently is not talking and doesn't even show them on their site. And never even responded to my email. All quite odd in my book.

I have purchased some Delco Toshiba HIR1's so I will at least visually compare to the Philips.


You don't like reading either? Sheesh. Maybe you can look upwards a few posts and read about the specific differnces in performance between the Toshiba and Philips HIR1 bubls.


I think you just like to argue, because to most of us here, you certainly are not coming across as particularly informed or knowledgeable on the HIR1 questions. Yes you did provide one quote and the link everyone has seen/read (with plenty of HIR1 CHAT). And we can see the Philips 9011 bulb on Candlepower.com But I have not seen the level of testing between the two that I was expecting, or I would not have started this thread in the first place. Sheesh.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/13/14 11:45 PM

exactly, to earn a rep of any credibility being a jerk or condescending is the wrong approach. and like it or not there still isn't any real meaningful side by side comparison, I built a new HIR bulb filled with magic farts for the gas its 54% brighter then the Phillips HIR, see I can say stuff too. and while i'm sure the Phillips is a great light there are certain truths in lights, and special gas rarely allows more light, without some sort of compromise the idea behind the special gas is they can overdrive the same 65 watt filament without overheating it and killing it premature, does it work idk maybe but its old school light hot rodding technology there. Toshiba changing the shape of the bulb for the right reflections off the special coating to excite the light was some actual new thinking, so whether or not you think the Toshiba suck and Phillips are awesome isn't really pertinent unless you can provide some meaningful information besides a cut and paste of one conversation and the brochure, Pablo will be able to compare both I find it meaningful, and the fact I showed him were to find the old style shouldn't have gotten a derogatory comment from you, If I feel they are a good deal still what is it to you. I'm sorry if you dont like that but see your way to anther conversation where you can "help"
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/13/14 11:52 PM

I ended up buying 4 of the Toshiba bulbs. Since I already have a company Amazon Prime account it's free second day shipping. They all shipped from different locations. Crazy but that tells me they are getting scarce.
Posted by: B25urgandy

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/14/14 09:23 PM

Like I've said we replaced regular 9005, and 9006 with HIR1 and HIR2 by Philips and they are brighter than the bulbs they replaced. I'm not sure it it's due to them "hot-roding" them or not but from my personal experience they are brighter. Just have not compared them to the toshiba brand due to never having a pair
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/16/14 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
just an fyi, amazon has a seller selling toshiba style hir1 bulbs in an ac delco box, these have the old style toshiba bulb shape and coating. they are 23 each i will be installing them tomorrow in my subaru outback. I did check mine and the day time running lamps on mine are the low beams seems dumb of subaru to do high beams for drl since they generally have such a short life span


Now here is the downside. They don't fit my WRX, and it has nothing to do with the tab modification. The main problem so far is the OD of the plastic base right where it inserts in the receptacle. I am making progress, but it's a huge PITA. Anyone fight this battle before?
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/18/14 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: B25urgandy
Like I've said we replaced regular 9005, and 9006 with HIR1 and HIR2 by Philips and they are brighter than the bulbs they replaced. I'm not sure it it's due to them "hot-roding" them or not but from my personal experience they are brighter. Just have not compared them to the toshiba brand due to never having a pair


I've had both (still do) and I don't see any noticeable difference between them when behind the wheel. When professionally tested, the Philips shows a 10% advantage over the Toshibas.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/18/14 02:09 PM

im not sure Pablo, mine went right in with just a tab trim, thats weird
Posted by: B25urgandy

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/18/14 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: simple_simon


I've had both (still do) and I don't see any noticeable difference between them when behind the wheel. When professionally tested, the Philips shows a 10% advantage over the Toshibas.

you've had the Phillips and the Toshibas? I've only had the Phillips and standard 9005/06 bulbs. I meant I can see a noticeable difference over the standard 9005/06 bulbs. But…that difference now that I think about it was from comparing 2 year old 9005/06 to brand new 9011 and 9012 HIRs. So it was an unfair comparison at the night I installed them.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/20/14 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: B25urgandy
Originally Posted By: simple_simon


I've had both (still do) and I don't see any noticeable difference between them when behind the wheel. When professionally tested, the Philips shows a 10% advantage over the Toshibas.

you've had the Phillips and the Toshibas? I've only had the Phillips and standard 9005/06 bulbs. I meant I can see a noticeable difference over the standard 9005/06 bulbs. But…that difference now that I think about it was from comparing 2 year old 9005/06 to brand new 9011 and 9012 HIRs. So it was an unfair comparison at the night I installed them.


Yes, I've had both and still have both. Both are a large upgrade from the stock bulbs and an even bigger upgrade when you run 15V to them like I do. Not a single burnt out bulb in all of these years either.
Posted by: dlundblad

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/22/14 03:49 PM

I have them in my Jeep. Very nice compared to original.. I just needed a dremel tool to trim up the bulb so it could fit.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/22/14 06:08 PM

The fit of the Philips HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.
Posted by: Dupree

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/23/14 11:02 AM

its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/23/14 11:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Dupree
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?


Originally Posted By: Pablo
The fit of the Philips TOSHIBA HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.


I did a huge typo in my post before this one. I meant to type "Toshiba". Or really the AC Delco boxed Toshiba marked HIR1 65W bulbs.

Anyway it's a combination of shape(s) that cause it not to fit. The diameter at the base (fixed), the thickness of the base plate and position and thickness of the tabs in relation to the datum formed by the inside surface of the base plate. The tabs all line up and now it almost inserts all the way and I can begin to twist it into position. The Philips 9011 in there now is very tight, so it says maybe Subie made these headlight housing on the very tight side.
Posted by: B25urgandy

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/23/14 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Dupree
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?


Originally Posted By: Pablo
The fit of the Philips TOSHIBA HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.


I did a huge typo in my post before this one. I meant to type "Toshiba". Or really the AC Delco boxed Toshiba marked HIR1 65W bulbs.

Anyway it's a combination of shape(s) that cause it not to fit. The diameter at the base (fixed), the thickness of the base plate and position and thickness of the tabs in relation to the datum formed by the inside surface of the base plate. The tabs all line up and now it almost inserts all the way and I can begin to twist it into position. The Philips 9011 in there now is very tight, so it says maybe Subie made these headlight housing on the very tight side.


stupid question I might have missed the answer but… You trimmed the mounting tabs correct? To make them fit? Sorry you're having problems, work smarter, not harder you'll get it to work. From experience I've come to find Chrylser vehicles are easy to change bulbs on. we had a 97 Stratus and a 2010 Dodge Journey and a 98 intrepid and all were really easy.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/24/14 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: B25urgandy
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Dupree
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?


Originally Posted By: Pablo
The fit of the Philips TOSHIBA HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.


I did a huge typo in my post before this one. I meant to type "Toshiba". Or really the AC Delco boxed Toshiba marked HIR1 65W bulbs.

Anyway it's a combination of shape(s) that cause it not to fit. The diameter at the base (fixed), the thickness of the base plate and position and thickness of the tabs in relation to the datum formed by the inside surface of the base plate. The tabs all line up and now it almost inserts all the way and I can begin to twist it into position. The Philips 9011 in there now is very tight, so it says maybe Subie made these headlight housing on the very tight side.


stupid question I might have missed the answer but… You trimmed the mounting tabs correct? To make them fit? Sorry you're having problems, work smarter, not harder you'll get it to work. From experience I've come to find Chrylser vehicles are easy to change bulbs on. we had a 97 Stratus and a 2010 Dodge Journey and a 98 intrepid and all were really easy.


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Now here is the downside. They don't fit my WRX, and it has nothing to do with the tab modification. The main problem so far is the OD of the plastic base right where it inserts in the receptacle. I am making progress, but it's a huge PITA. Anyone fight this battle before?


Hahhahahaha work smarter not harder!! Work isn't too hard, and most of the smarts were used to figure out the dimensional differences (see above). If I have time tonight - they should now fit or be extremely close. I'm being very cautious because I don't want to remove too much material.
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 02/28/14 06:43 PM

OK they are in. They fit perfectly now. Can't wait for the dark!
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 03/01/14 07:26 AM

Holy Moley. I would say, maybe 20% brighter than the Philips. Nice and worth the hassle.
Posted by: simple_simon

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 03/01/14 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Holy Moley. I would say, maybe 20% brighter than the Philips. Nice and worth the hassle.


Based on what? Did you measure the output like candlepower.com did?
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 03/01/14 11:00 AM

Originally Posted By: simple_simon
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Holy Moley. I would say, maybe 20% brighter than the Philips. Nice and worth the hassle.


Based on what? Did you measure the output like candlepower.com did?


No, no measurement data just a typical BITOG response. LOL

Based on the lighted area and brightness in a pitch black area behind my garage. Light is slightly more yellow, but for sure no doubt about it brighter. 20% seems conservative.

SIDE NOTE: The removed Philips 9011 had zero yellow staining internally.
Posted by: GatorJ

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 04/24/14 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Dupree
they were generic marked but there is no doubt it is a toshiba HIR they have the special coating you can see in the right light and the funky globe, i think ill buy more before there gone since i run them in my cx9 as well


So how do they look? I asked on Amazon and a guy said they have Toshiba brand on his. I bought two pairs. I assume they fit fine with the standard modification.

BTW Philips NEVER answered my email.


Were you writing to Phillips USA or Phillips DE?
Posted by: Pablo

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 04/24/14 08:22 PM

Phillips USA
Posted by: GatorJ

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 04/24/14 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Phillips USA


The Philips HIR bulbs are German, you might want to try contacting Philips DE.
Posted by: wag123

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 04/25/14 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Now here's the bad news. Subaru had this not so great idea to use the high beams throttled back as the DRL's. Really stupid, IMHO, with a ginormous resistor to drop the voltage. The bulbs I took out already had some nice yellow stains inside. I'm afraid the bulb life will be squadouche with the stock bulbs which are Sylvania Halogen 9005 60W.

I have had the Toshiba HIR bulbs on my Toyota for 8 1/2 years, and it also uses the high beams for the DRLs. I hope that the Philips HIR bulbs turn out to be as high quality as the Toshibas have been, if so, you have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: Volvohead

Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 - 04/25/14 06:51 PM

New Philips 9011s?

Have them.

Like them.

A lot.