Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor

Posted by: crazyoildude

Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 09:46 PM

Looking for a new suv something with a good warrantee and track record i like the Mitsubishi Endeavor and Hyundai Santa fe what is everyone's opinion on these two vehicles they seem to give the best bang for the dollar and have great warantees and also you can get great deals on them they seem to come down a lot on the sticker price well at least one dealer did...Also what about crash tests?
I like gm and ford but the warantees and the fact that they dont give good deals cancelled them out..
Looking for some input
Posted by: wallyuwl

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 10:02 PM

Where did you get the info. that the Endeavor had a good reputation? We bought a SUV late last summer and in our research we quickly excluded the Endeavor.

The Santa Fe is a nice vehicle. Bad gas mileage, and the same refinement as the Escape (ie: not very refined inside). The warranty is very good.

The Chevy Equinox (what we bought - 2010) and GMC Terrain do not have good deals right now regarding financing and/or cash back. If you can wait a few months that will change.

I have social reasons why I wouldn't buy a Ford, but they do have some good deals. As for the vehicles themselves, the ones you'd probably be interested in are overpriced and not great inside (Edge), or basically a ten year old technology vehicle (Escape).

Of the two you mentioned I'd go Santa Fe. But I'd also not forget about the GM offerings (especially if you aren't looking to buy ASAP), and you could look at the Kia Sorento (though the reviews on them say lots of rattles and such after only a few months).
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 10:07 PM

I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.





I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.
Posted by: ThirdeYe

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 10:11 PM

I would go for the Mitsubishi, because I would NEVER buy a Hyundai. grin
Posted by: nypr

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 10:23 PM

Mitsubishi +1
Posted by: semaj281

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 10:24 PM

You didn't mention if you're looking at 4cyls or V6s.
But if you're considering a V6 Ford, the price you'd pay for an Escape would be close to the price of an Edge, which is a better vehicle in my opinion.
As for the Hyundai, I had an 03 Santa Fe GLS V6 and liked it for the most part. There were some electrical issues with the air bag system and the CEL coming on randomly. Hopefully they have those issues worked out by now. It averaged 17mpg with a city/highway mix. But then again who buys SUVs for the gas mileage right?
Posted by: bodeh6

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/25/10 10:30 PM

The new Sante Fe is nice but its sister product the Kia Sportage looks better in my opinion. I am talking about the upcoming 2011 model.
Posted by: Popinski

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 12:34 AM

If people were smart, they would not buy the VW Tiguan and the failing Mitsubishi Endeavor. I've had experience with VW's and they have horrible reliability and you need unnecessary expensive oils, premium gas and VW parts. The Mitsubishi Endeavor has a bad reputation in my city.

You should shop for the Santa Fe or American SUV's like the Terrain or Escape!
Posted by: asiancivicmaniac

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 12:46 AM

The Endeavor is a dated design. I would go for a new Santa Fe. Also, Mitsus don't seem to be very popular, and my aunt's Galant seems cheaply made. The only Mitsu I would go for would be the Evo.
Posted by: Popinski

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 01:02 AM

Also, take a look at the Kia Sorento.

Both the new Kia Sorento and Hyundai Santa Fe are made in the USA.
Posted by: Gene K

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 01:07 AM

Mazda CX-7
Posted by: Propflux01

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 06:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.

I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


And I would definitely Never buy a Volkswagen!
Posted by: Cutehumor

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 09:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.





I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


wow, audi junkie. your buying new rides every year now. the honda accord got dumped?
Posted by: crazyoildude

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 08:55 PM

Im not a vw fan either
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.

I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


And I would definitely Never buy a Volkswagen!


Nobody asked you.
Posted by: crazyoildude

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 09:20 PM

i would never buy a vw but not sure about the mitsubishi either
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/26/10 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.





I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


wow, audi junkie. your buying new rides every year now. the honda accord got dumped?


I was in a weird spot with it. After perfecting the paint situation, so idiot whacked it with a bike while parked in NYC. So, I could either paint it AGAIN or live with it. I saw the 1.9% offer on Tiguan, which I liked anyway, and we really missed having a SUV, after selling the CRV to my cousin.

So I got +$4k more trade than I owed, put it in my pocket (well, paid off a credit card) and financed the whole VW at invoice price, making LOWER payments in the process. Got a manual 6-sp trans for fun factor and price. The thing is incredible.

Some people "get it" and some don't, and I couldn't really care less. Some of the brands mentioned on this thread have absolutely no "soul". Either you know what that is or you don't. I learned to drive on a Porsche at 9 years old in 1973, so...I "get it".



btw-

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/usprisoners_japancomp.htm#fn57
Posted by: Autobahn88

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/27/10 08:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.





I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


wow, audi junkie. your buying new rides every year now. the honda accord got dumped?


I was in a weird spot with it. After perfecting the paint situation, so idiot whacked it with a bike while parked in NYC. So, I could either paint it AGAIN or live with it. I saw the 1.9% offer on Tiguan, which I liked anyway, and we really missed having a SUV, after selling the CRV to my cousin.

So I got +$4k more trade than I owed, put it in my pocket (well, paid off a credit card) and financed the whole VW at invoice price, making LOWER payments in the process. Got a manual 6-sp trans for fun factor and price. The thing is incredible.

Some people "get it" and some don't, and I couldn't really care less. Some of the brands mentioned on this thread have absolutely no "soul". Either you know what that is or you don't. I learned to drive on a Porsche at 9 years old in 1973, so...I "get it".



btw-

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/usprisoners_japancomp.htm#fn57






I get what you are saying. That is why I love the Euro brands. Oh! by the way, nice purchase....
Posted by: Propflux01

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/27/10 09:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.

I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


And I would definitely Never buy a Volkswagen!


Nobody asked you.


Nor was your 2 cents 'asked' for.. So whats your point?
Posted by: SteveSRT8

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/27/10 11:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Some people "get it" and some don't, and I couldn't really care less. Some of the brands mentioned on this thread have absolutely no "soul". Either you know what that is or you don't. I learned to drive on a Porsche at 9 years old in 1973, so...I "get it".


This is the reason we lack any late model wrong wheel drive Eastern tech in our driveway. I cannot stand "transport appliances"!

Thank God we have some choices still...
Posted by: MrCritical

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/27/10 04:44 PM

Santa Fe.

And keep all your maintenance receipts.
Posted by: BrianWC

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 06/30/10 08:04 AM

I think the Outlander has a lot better rep than the Endeavor.
Posted by: nthach

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/02/10 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: BrianWC
I think the Outlander has a lot better rep than the Endeavor.

One is made by Mitsu in Japan, the other is made at the DSM plant in Illinois. I'd take the Hyundai on a whim, even though my old boss got burned by their Santa Fe BAD. The motor started burning oil and killed the cat 3 years later. They junked it.

And Audi Junkie's scored a pretty good deal too.
Posted by: lovcom

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/02/10 12:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.





I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


wow, audi junkie. your buying new rides every year now. the honda accord got dumped?


I was in a weird spot with it. After perfecting the paint situation, so idiot whacked it with a bike while parked in NYC. So, I could either paint it AGAIN or live with it. I saw the 1.9% offer on Tiguan, which I liked anyway, and we really missed having a SUV, after selling the CRV to my cousin.

So I got +$4k more trade than I owed, put it in my pocket (well, paid off a credit card) and financed the whole VW at invoice price, making LOWER payments in the process. Got a manual 6-sp trans for fun factor and price. The thing is incredible.

Some people "get it" and some don't, and I couldn't really care less. Some of the brands mentioned on this thread have absolutely no "soul". Either you know what that is or you don't. I learned to drive on a Porsche at 9 years old in 1973, so...I "get it".



btw-

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/usprisoners_japancomp.htm#fn57


And some people don't read the MASSIVE warnings about PROFOUND VW [censored] poor quality issues. The warnings are there in ALL car magazines about how BAD VW is, yet some people continue to buy them, even doing stupid things like financing the entire amount.

Wow....

If that is "getting it" then I prefer not to "get it".

The Smart Money NEVER buys VW...even the Korean makes score MUCH higher in quality then the VW brand.

Funny how amazing it is find all kinds of kooks on the internet...especially those that burn through tons of $$ replacing cars ever other year or worse...I guess to "get it" one has to be stupid with finances.

And the only "soul" one should be concerned with are the souls of their children and wife...because paying big $$ for one of the most poorly made cars on the planet is to not care about their souls. REVELATION FROM GOD: Cars have no soul...hello?!?

By the way Audi-boy, nobody ask you to post your financial mistake here ;-)
Posted by: IndyIan

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/02/10 01:00 PM

I'm not going to run out and buy a VW either, but I'm not going to rant and rave about it...
Audi Junkie likes an SUV with some sport. I'm sure he is well aware of the potential extra cost of owning a VW SUV over a hyundai. The hyundai suv MAY be cheaper to own but the VW will always be more engaging to drive. If driving pleasure is worth 0 to you then buy the cheapest most reliable vehicle... Other people may choose differently.

Posted by: Propflux01

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/03/10 10:53 AM

The point of this whole thread was the OP wanting opinions over a Hyundai or a Mitsubishi SUV. Thats where it should have stayed IMHO.
Posted by: StevieC

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/03/10 10:57 AM

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Looking for a new suv something with a good warrantee and track record i like the Mitsubishi Endeavor and Hyundai Santa fe what is everyone's opinion on these two vehicles they seem to give the best bang for the dollar and have great warantees and also you can get great deals on them they seem to come down a lot on the sticker price well at least one dealer did...Also what about crash tests?
I like gm and ford but the warantees and the fact that they dont give good deals cancelled them out..
Looking for some input


I have a 2006 Sante Fe with over 300K KM's on it (180K miles) and I have only replaced the battery, brakes and an oxygen sensor.

Best truck I have ever owned and I would definitely buy another!
Posted by: Autobahn88

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/03/10 11:30 AM

Originally Posted By: lovcom
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.





I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


wow, audi junkie. your buying new rides every year now. the honda accord got dumped?


I was in a weird spot with it. After perfecting the paint situation, so idiot whacked it with a bike while parked in NYC. So, I could either paint it AGAIN or live with it. I saw the 1.9% offer on Tiguan, which I liked anyway, and we really missed having a SUV, after selling the CRV to my cousin.

So I got +$4k more trade than I owed, put it in my pocket (well, paid off a credit card) and financed the whole VW at invoice price, making LOWER payments in the process. Got a manual 6-sp trans for fun factor and price. The thing is incredible.

Some people "get it" and some don't, and I couldn't really care less. Some of the brands mentioned on this thread have absolutely no "soul". Either you know what that is or you don't. I learned to drive on a Porsche at 9 years old in 1973, so...I "get it".



btw-

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/usprisoners_japancomp.htm#fn57


And some people don't read the MASSIVE warnings about PROFOUND VW [censored] poor quality issues. The warnings are there in ALL car magazines about how BAD VW is, yet some people continue to buy them, even doing stupid things like financing the entire amount.

Wow....

If that is "getting it" then I prefer not to "get it".

The Smart Money NEVER buys VW...even the Korean makes score MUCH higher in quality then the VW brand.

Funny how amazing it is find all kinds of kooks on the internet...especially those that burn through tons of $$ replacing cars ever other year or worse...I guess to "get it" one has to be stupid with finances.

And the only "soul" one should be concerned with are the souls of their children and wife...because paying big $$ for one of the most poorly made cars on the planet is to not care about their souls. REVELATION FROM GOD: Cars have no soul...hello?!?

By the way Audi-boy, nobody ask you to post your financial mistake here ;-)


A little harsh aren't you? I have owned 5 VW and have been drop dead reliable. A little more maint, but It is worth it.
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: lovcom

Wow....

If that is "getting it" then I prefer not to "get it".

The Smart Money NEVER buys VW...even the Korean makes score MUCH higher in quality then the VW brand.

Funny how amazing it is find all kinds of kooks on the internet...especially those that burn through tons of $$ replacing cars ever other year or worse...I guess to "get it" one has to be stupid with finances.

And the only "soul" one should be concerned with are the souls of their children and wife...because paying big $$ for one of the most poorly made cars on the planet is to not care about their souls. REVELATION FROM GOD: Cars have no soul...hello?!?

By the way Audi-boy, nobody ask you to post your financial mistake here ;-)


Too bad your meds are wearing out.

Last I checked, VW has the highest resale and the Koreans the lowest. The Korean brands are hardly pioneers in automobiles either. The fact their owners think they are great is actually a source of amusement. Every Hundai owners I know, their last car was an even more miserable wretch.

As far as the Tiguan, Audi can sell more of their version, the Q5 than they can make. It's outright hilarious to even try to compare to a Hundai or Mitsubishi (one of the worst vehicles on the planet).

It's just like I said, the Kool Aid drinkers are so insecure about their lame vehicles, they have only their own acolades to refer to. In this case, the accolade is a psychotic rant, it reflects well on your group.

As for the OP, buy whichever vehicle is cheaper, that's probably all you care about or you'd be looking elsewhere.
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 07:58 PM

Here's a good example of the difference, low-speed crash tests.

A series of slow crashes are done, back into a pole, bump the corner into a wall, etc. Then add up the repair costs.

Vehicles like Sorento, Focus, Mazda 6 costs like $4500 to repair. Slo-mo pics it looks like the thing had C4 packed behind the bumper, while cars like the A6, Beetle and Golf just bounced right off. $0-$50 to maybe $200 in repairs for the same accident that cost $4500 on p0s vehicles.

Still, some people don't get it. Watch some of the high speed crashes if you still wonder.

Posted by: Ursae_Majoris

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Here's a good example of the difference, low-speed crash tests.

A series of slow crashes are done, back into a pole, bump the corner into a wall, etc. Then add up the repair costs.

Vehicles like Sorento, Focus, Mazda 6 costs like $4500 to repair. Slo-mo pics it looks like the thing had C4 packed behind the bumper, while cars like the A6, Beetle and Golf just bounced right off. $0-$50 to maybe $200 in repairs for the same accident that cost $4500 on p0s vehicles.

Still, some people don't get it. Watch some of the high speed crashes if you still wonder.



Nice way of bypassing the censor.

BTW, the Sorrento, Focus and Mazda absorbed the impact, your darlings transferred them to the occupants, if what you say is true.

Where are these test videos you speak of?
Posted by: Ursae_Majoris

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Every Hundai owners I know, their last car was an even more miserable wretch.

Painting with a rather broad brush, are we?
I "stepped down" to my Kia from a 4-year old Toyota loaded TRD OR Tacoma, hardly a "miserable wretch".
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 09:01 PM

Oh, what was wrong with the TOYOTA?

IZUSU? lol, you're killing me!



Just when I thought no one was going to one-up a Mitsubishi!

EDMUNDS says... Editors Rating 5.3 (lol)

Like most Isuzu SUVs, the Axiom is a middle-of-the-road effort, amounting to little more than a rehashed Rodeo wearing nice duds and a Halloween mask for effect.

Performance: 1 Fun-to-Drive: 2 Reliability: 1

I have had nothing but troubles with this SUV from the transmission, to the electrical, and the list continues. I am very disappointed in Isuzu and will never by one again. Plus on top of all the problems the parts are hard to find and real expensive. To make matter worst this car bounces like crazy no matter what I've done. Buyer beware!

I've had this car for a little over two years and it is in the shop again for a blown engine. The last time, it had an issue with the engine and it completely seized, this time a rod shot through the block. It's a pain having to have it in the shop so often


Holy smokes, could you pick a more wretched vehicle?

You sure "stepped" in something.






KIA Spectra worth $6k at 2 years old? Awesome machine, glad you are happy.

EDMUNDS Says:
Engine can get noisy at higher rpm, soft suspension tuning on lower-end models, antilock brakes available on top SX trim only, disappointing IIHS crash test scores.

One should also consider the Spectra's lackluster safety attributes and lack of up-to-date convenience features. As such, the 2008 Kia Spectra will likely appeal only to those economy sedan and hatchback shoppers on a tight budget.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rated the Spectra "Acceptable" (second best) for frontal-offset safety but only "Poor" (the lowest) for side-impact safety.

lol, and you're going to lecture ME about how great your vehicles are? lol, if you every get a good one, that would be a start.

Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
BTW, the Sorrento, Focus and Mazda absorbed the impact, your darlings transferred them to the occupants, if what you say is true.


yeah, that's how they get best-in-class safety ratings! crackmeup
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 09:48 PM

lol. shocked



You guys wouldn't know a good vehicle if it swam up and bit you in the rear!
Posted by: crazyoildude

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 10:34 PM

what cars are u talking about im lost here
Posted by: crazyoildude

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 10:35 PM

why do u think the outlander is better??
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/07/10 11:40 PM

How many vehicles did you actually DRIVE, or are you relying on some bozo's advice or maybe just shopping from brochures? Mose people with a good sense about vehicles would be sure to look at Honda CRV, Rav 4 and even a Murano. I would sayt the Hundai is the default winner in your false dilemma of these two weak vehicles.

If you were a single mom going out on on diaper runs, you probably would never know the difference, but if you are a car guy who likes to drive and can tell the difference, yes, other vehicles are way better. Even from a bean-counter perspective, Honda and VW hold resale value better, making them a better purchase. I believe the more you like a vehicle, the more likely you are to keep it longer, which actually gives the best possible result. Like I said, driving a box-on-wheels like the vehicles you mentioned or taking advice from a guy with an Izusu Axiom is beyond lame.

If you buy a piece of [censored] you deserve what you get, so go for it, chunky or smooth, who cares?
Posted by: Ursae_Majoris

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie

EDMUNDS says... Editors Rating 5.3 (lol)

A 10 year old article about Axiom is all you can say? Ad hominem attacks on the vehicles I drive and all Hyundai owners is your best argument? Toyota truck was great for when I needed it, but I do not like to make car payments and family needs changed. I sold it and bought Kia with cash. Aside from mortgage I am now debt free.
In 10 years I had Axiom, I replaced a battery, an Intelligent Suspension System control sensor (under warranty) and AC fan (under warranty). That's it, other than regular fluid changes. Works great for me.
BTW, did you know that 2003 Axiom was only a second car on the market that had a direct injection engine at the time (MB was the other one)? IIRC, Isuzu licensed it to VW.

OP--I'd take a Hyundai. I am happy with my Kia (a Hyundai Elantra's sister). I am will be shopping for a Hyundai or Kia station wagon in a year or so myself.
Posted by: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 05:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I just got a sweet deal on a Tiguan.

I would NEVER buy a Mitsubishi.


And I would definitely Never buy a Volkswagen!


Nobody asked you.


Nobody asked me either but I have to agree. VW is some of the worst junk I have ever had to work on. I am glad the 5 people I knew with them finally got tired of the unreliable junk and got rid of them. Well except for my sister inlaw. Speaking of which I have to fix the strut bearing plates now on her POS.

Anybody need a like new 2.0 coil? I have an aftermarket one the dealer made her take off and replace with an OEM unit so they would warranty her catalytic converter. Junk junk junk
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 10:12 AM

I love when local talent tries to "work" on Euro cars and screws them up, more work for people who actually have a real skills.

What about the GM SUVs? My local mechanic just got an Equinox, it seems pretty good...over a Hundai or Izusu.
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 10:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie

EDMUNDS says... Editors Rating 5.3 (lol)

A 10 year old article about Axiom is all you can say?

Works great for me.

I am happy with my Kia. I am will be shopping for a Hyundai or Kia station wagon in a year or so myself.


Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie

If you were a single mom going out on on diaper runs, you probably would never know the difference, but if you are a car guy who likes to drive and can tell the difference, yes, other vehicles are way better. Like I said, driving a box-on-wheels like the vehicles you mentioned or taking advice from a guy with an Izusu Axiom is beyond lame.

How many vehicles did you actually DRIVE, or are you relying on some bozo's advice or maybe just shopping from brochures? Mose people with a good sense about vehicles would be sure to look at Honda CRV, Rav 4 and even a Murano.

If you buy a piece of [censored] you deserve what you get, so go for it, chunky or smooth, who cares?
Posted by: wallyuwl

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 10:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie


What about the GM SUVs? My local mechanic just got an Equinox, it seems pretty good...over a Hundai or Izusu.


We have a 2010 Equinox and have had more than our fair share of problems with it. Most of those problems, however, have since been worked out for new factory production vehicles (we got one of the very first ones produced LAST spring).

The most pressing issue people seem to have on Edmunds (where I have posted often on our Nox) is that it has a "dieseling" sound to it (more so after break-in). Another issue people have is a "ticking" sound from the engine. Mine does both as well. The "ticking" is normal for this DI engine according to GM. Putting in high octane gas helps reduce it. As for the "dieseling", I'm not convinced it is a "problem" or not normal for this vehicle. That is why there is the 5 yr/100k mile warranty.

I'd buy the vehicle again. It is much more refined inside compared to other vehicles in its class (CRV which is an eco-box, RAV 4 which is a P0S, Rogue which is pretty nice but smallish, Escape which is basically a 10 year old vehicle in design/mechanics, Patriot which isn't even worth talking about). Also bigger and has better mileage than its competitors. If you want to tow anything you have to get the 6 cyl. It is certainly a much better choice than the Mitsu or the Hyundai the original poster inquired about.
Posted by: Win

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 10:42 AM



Like the Germans and their industry were any better than the Japanese.

They were every bit as despicable, maybe worse. Read Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich if you haven't already. Pay particular attention to the chapter titled The New World Order ( I think, it's been a couple of decades since I read it).
Posted by: Ursae_Majoris

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 11:30 AM

What mileage do you get from your Equinox? Anywhere close to new EPA ratings? No flaming, just curious.
Posted by: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I love when local talent tries to "work" on Euro cars and screws them up, more work for people who actually have a real skills.

What about the GM SUVs? My local mechanic just got an Equinox, it seems pretty good...over a Hundai or Izusu.


Dont jab at me man. I never screwed anything up on any of these cars. They have all self destructed on there own. I mean seriously a plastic water neck? W T F is that? Did they not think it would not corrode away and leave somebody stranded? Yeah I had to tow my friends fiance's Jetta back so we could fix it. Oh and how about the fuel line on my wifes best friends turbo passat? Yeah with 60K on the car it decided to rupture for no good reason going down the highway and leave her stranded. Then at 80K the head gaskets decided they had enough and let go. Her passenger door window decided it no longer wanted to stay up and fell right off the track and crashed down into the door. The list just goes on and on with these cars. Thinking about all of this gives me a headache.
Posted by: 97tbird

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 12:56 PM

Audi Junkie will bash almost every other vehicle on planet, no matter what it is, unless it's a problem/bug prone (well known fact for ages) VW or an Audi. And he will post a lot of mostly unrelated pics of VWs and Audis

He has done it many, many times in the past, and it's best to let him have his say and leave him be.

Hyundai, while not having a bogus premium "name" unlike some overrated makes, have come a long way. Our 2003 Elantra has been utterly reliable as a daily driver, and at 150k miles, still solid and trouble-free, with only 1 repair-related trip to the dealer (sun visor bracket). I know many Toyota and Honda (and VW) owners which can't even come close to that when relating to the reliability of their cars.

It's not a performance vehicle, but we don't use it for that purpose either - nor was it meant to be one-it does what it was supposed to do extremely well: a solid daily driver which gets good mileage.

Santa Fe would have the same/better reliability.

Obviously, if the OP was looking for a performance vehicle, he wouldn't have considered a Santa Fe/Endeavor etc..
Posted by: wallyuwl

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 01:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
What mileage do you get from your Equinox? Anywhere close to new EPA ratings? No flaming, just curious.


It is rated 32, on our long trips we've gotten about 27-29. That is 70-75 mph most of the way, with Indiana plains wind (I guess that is why they are building a bunch of windmills in that area now), through Chicago traffic, 500 pounds of people, 200 pounds of dogs, 400+ pounds of cargo.

If you are in a very hilly area the mileage goes down a lot, and if you "kick 'er down" it does down a lot. The six speeds in them are eager to down shift because of the low torque. We get our best mileage once we get into WI along Lake Michigan on I43 where it is relatively flat and less traffic. There we get close to advertised with the above mentioned cargo.
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 02:52 PM

Uhh, I only mention the VW because of the great deals currently on them, but it turned into a VW bashing thread, so excuuuse me. Just trying to save the guy the embarrassment of buying a diaper mobile.

From what I know about the Tiguan, it's a steal for what you get. Like I said, I could have paid twice as much for the same platform and technology in an Audi, so yes, I'm thinking of the VW as a "budget mobile", but on the other hand, the engineering is high-end.

I think longevity is the one other issue to inject into the discussion. That is the single most obvious paradox that isn't answered in all the threads that bash VW is reliability. Hey, I know there are 1001 quirks on these cars, but if you master a few of them, like something such as the coilpacks, you have a vehicle that is patently better than the others. No doubt in my mind.

I take the example of B5.5 Passat buyers. People flocked to those car from "more reliable" models that were lower maintenance, but lower technology too. My female cousin even got burned, she came from a lifetime of VWs: Rabitt, Fox, Jetta that all went almost 300k under horrid Maine conditions and minimal service.Then she got a B5.% and sludged it, broke timing belts and likely had CPs go bad on her, along with the other chassis issues, they car sucked for her, no way could she pop out a bad CP and place her spare into place, that's about has hard as opening a door lock. Plus, she beat it and put a lot of miles on it w/o maintenace and dino oil. Does that make Passat a bad car, I dunno, but it's easy to say she was a BAD OWNER.

I think I was reacting to the OP's two choices was the perception that he was REALLY limiting himself in vehicle choices and indeed not done his homework. Pointing out the VWs strong points and resale vs price was meant to shock him out of his fog, it was as far across the scale as you can get. I have no "reliability" issues I'm worrying about. New engine update, no timing belt, turbo oil afterpump, heavy duty off road suspension, free service and maintenance from VW too. No complaints at under $22k.
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Audi Junkie will bash almost every other vehicle on planet, no matter what it is, unless it's a problem/bug prone (well known fact for ages) VW or an Audi. And he will post a lot of mostly unrelated pics of VWs and Audis

He has done it many, many times in the past, and it's best to let him have his say and leave him be.


How's the TBird working out? My cousin last said the door fell of the hinges on hers . After a few engines and trannys she gave up and is now driving her deceased MiL's LeBaron.

Good for her! Those are plucky little cars. grin
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 03:09 PM

Those issues my cousin and everyone else who bought these B5.5 cars, en masse, seemed to have convinced a lot of people who know little about cars that VWs are "bad". Lest they comment on anything else about the car, because their understanding and skills are not tuned for subjective comparisons like ride, feel and handling. Of course safety is not a primary issue either, just price.
Posted by: 97tbird

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie

How's the TBird working out? My cousin last said the door fell of the hinges on hers . After a few engines and trannys she gave up and is now driving her deceased MiL's LeBaron.

Good for her! Those are plucky little cars. grin


This, fellow BITOGers, is exactly what I mean. :)
He turned it into a bashing of my SPECIFIC car and not a brand in discussion

and FYI, The Tbird, at 150k miles also, is still running strong, and still the DD. :) yep, and still the one real repair to date.

see here if you want to make sure that it still has the doors LOL:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1912573#Post1912573
Posted by: Ursae_Majoris

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 03:18 PM

Thanks. I just came back from a trip to Iowa, so I know what you mean about the plains winds.
How is it around town?
Posted by: Audi Junkie

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 03:38 PM

The truth hurts.
Posted by: 97tbird

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
The truth hurts.


i am sure it does. grin The truth: 150k miles, original everything, still going strong: (apologies in adv. to the OP and bitog'ers who're following the thread)
Posted by: Popinski

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 04:01 PM

I wonder why Germans price their cars so high but their quality is equivalent to a 1980's Hyundai and Yugo.

They've must have spent it on sophistication....
Posted by: 97tbird

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 04:05 PM

They know that blind buyers will buy them just because they're "European" and for looks and status... I can respect some aspects of some BMW models from previous generations, but otherwise everything else is utter [censored] that just gets a free pass due to once being relatively respectable brands...

VW, Audi and MBs break so often but their owners will deny it 95% of the time that they're POSs.
Posted by: Popinski

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: 97tbird

VW, Audi and MBs break so often but their owners will deny it 95% of the time that they're POSs.


+1
Posted by: XS650

Re: Hyundai Santa Fe Or Mitsubishi Endeavor - 07/08/10 04:50 PM

Feel free to start another thread on the relative merits of cars...without the bashing, particularly without bashing of BITOG members choice of cars.

A little good natured ribbing is to be expected but that has been greatly exceeded in this now dead thread.