Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry

Posted by: SF0059

Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 02:08 PM

I have started looking for for a single stack 9mm for concealed carry. I have a service sized Springfield XD 9mm for home defense, but it is too big and cumbersome to carry. I'm currently looking at the following 2 guns:

1) Ruger LC9
2) Smith & Wesson M&P Shield

What are your thoughts? Any other guns I should be considering?
Posted by: 901Memphis

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 02:10 PM

The shield is superior. If you can afford it it's one of the best.
Posted by: BobsArmory

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
The shield is superior. If you can afford it it's one of the best.


Amen
Posted by: UncleRunkle

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 02:25 PM

I carry a Beretta Nano with an 8rd magazine, it's tiny and an extremely well built gun. It has never failed to go bang, and I've put over 600 rounds through it. The trigger was a little stiff and gritty when new, but smoothed out nicely after the first 200 rounds and a good bit of dry fire. 8 rounds of 124gr Speer Gold Dot JHP is usually good for whatever is ailing ya!
Posted by: SrDriver

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 03:47 PM

I carry a 2nd generation Diamondback DB9 which is one of the lightest 9MM weapons that you can find.

Another inexpensive light 9MM is the Kal Tec PF-9 an inexpensive gun.

You can find a wealth of information on these weapons on You Tube along with the Ruger and others.

I wear shorts and T-Shirt a lot here in the south and you carry a gun much more than shooting it.

In my book that makes size and weight a major consideration.
Posted by: Cadenza

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 04:54 PM

If those are your two choices only, I'd stick with the LC9, but only because I like Ruger guns so much. However, if you wanted to expand your search radius, consider also the Ruger SR9c, a compact 9mm that carries easily in a Remora inside-the-belt holster. A dream to shoot.
Posted by: SF0059

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 06:34 PM

Thanks for the input guys!

I swung by the gun shop this afternoon and held the Shield and a Springfield XDS. I like the form factor of the Shield a little more, but I really like the XDS overall. I already have a XD which makes the smaller one feel familiar.

Ah, decisions decisions.

Anyone with XDS experience?
Posted by: aquariuscsm

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 07:08 PM

How does the Glock 26 compare to those two?
Posted by: SF0059

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/26/14 07:27 PM

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
How does the Glock 26 compare to those two?


Wider, heavier. A closer comparison would be the nee Glock 42. I don't think that is in the cards because it is a 0.308 and I want to keep to 9mm because I don't want to stock different ammo right now.
Posted by: Smoky14

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 08:05 AM

Dress around your gun!
Posted by: SF0059

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 09:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Smoky14
Dress around your gun!


I could some of the time, but I have to wear slacks and a tie for work, so loose fitting clothes aren't an option. Seeing as my employer not only allows but encourages concealed carry I would like something small and comfortable.

My wife can always throw the service XD in her giant purse for concealed laugh
Posted by: The_Eric

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: SF0059
Originally Posted By: Smoky14
Dress around your gun!


I could some of the time, but I have to wear slacks and a tie for work, so loose fitting clothes aren't an option. Seeing as my employer not only allows but encourages concealed carry I would like something small and comfortable.

My wife can always throw the service XD in her giant purse for concealed laugh


It's still possible.

I carried a 1911 IWB with a button down dress shirt once (tucked in of course). The holster was from White Hat (similar to the Crossbread). I just left a small bit bunched up at the waist. Not so much as to look sloppy- I basically tucked it in snugly, then reached my arms straight up to pull my shirt out for moving room and then tugged an extra little bit out. The only thing that showed were the two belt clips, which were not really noticeable.

Seemed to work well. Hard pressed to see. I'd think with a little Shield and the right holster, you could easily pull it off.
Posted by: SF0059

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 12:44 PM

This is all new to me, so thanks for the tip!
Posted by: Robenstein

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 04:13 PM

The walther pps is a nice compact single stack and the new Remington 51 also might be a good candidate.
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 04:25 PM

It my understanding Remington is having problems with the R51, I read where they even shut the line down till it gets rectified.
Posted by: Robenstein

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 04:39 PM

The initial reviews were pretty positive. Perhaps there have been some teething issues going from prototype to full blown production phase. Remington will get it right. Only complaint the reviewers had was the trigger had some gritty feeling to it, but that can easily be fixed or would over time smooth out.
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 07:22 PM

Like Remington fixed Marlin?
Posted by: Robenstein

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/27/14 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: jcwit
Like Remington fixed Marlin?


You mean the Freedom Group, correct? Since that is who owns Marlin, Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS, Dakota Arms, etc.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/28/14 12:36 PM

I think my next purchase is a Kel-Tec PF-9. I have the P-32 and it's an awesome little machine. The PF-9 isn't THE smallest single-stack 9 you can buy, but it's pretty close. I've found Kel-Tec customer service to be very good, and all manufacturing and customer support is in Cocoa, FL. Nice operation in my opinion.

My dad also has a P-32 and loves it, which is what got me turned on to the company. I'd never heard of Kel-Tec before be bought his, but they've made a name for themselves in the concealed carry market, and were actually one of the first to market with a very small "pocket gun".
Posted by: SF0059

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/28/14 01:53 PM

Thanks for the insight on the Kel-Tec, Jason. After holding it I think I eliminated it because of the grip with my hand and the "feel" of it. I have known a few guys that love theirs, though.

After going to the gun shop and thinking it over some I think I may go with the S&W. I love everything about it except the manual safety. But I can't justify spending $150 more on the XD-S just for that reason. I ruled the Ruger out because of the trigger pull.

I am going to wait to buy one until my CC paperwork comes through. I'll let you guys know what I get and post some pictures!
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/28/14 06:02 PM

I know its not single stack, but while you're in the gun shop check out the SCCY CPX 2, dbl stack and 11 rounds counting the one in the tube.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/29/14 09:18 AM

SF0059, where did you find a PF-9 and what was the price? They're difficult to find around here. I'm glad you got a chance to try it. Above all else, you have to find one with the right fit.

I feel you on the Ruger. My folks BRIEFLY owned an LC9 and, quite frankly, thought it was horrible. Dad even put a trigger kit in it but it was still way too long/heavy. I'm generally a fan of Ruger (my first pistol was a Ruger 22), but the LC9 and I don't get along either.
Posted by: Win

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/29/14 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: jcwit
I know its not single stack, but while you're in the gun shop check out the SCCY CPX 2, dbl stack and 11 rounds counting the one in the tube.


I have the first variant, the CPX-1, and it fits in the pocket well for a double stack 9.

The Sig P250 subcompact is also a double stack that carries well in the pocket.

I wear suits, so generally have pretty roomy pockets.
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/29/14 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: jcwit
I know its not single stack, but while you're in the gun shop check out the SCCY CPX 2, dbl stack and 11 rounds counting the one in the tube.


I should have added here they sell for $239.00. Just bought the 2nd one today.
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/29/14 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: jcwit
I know its not single stack, but while you're in the gun shop check out the SCCY CPX 2, dbl stack and 11 rounds counting the one in the tube.


I should have added here they sell for $239.00. Just bought the 2nd one today.

First one was all black with the black slide. The new one has the satin finish Stainless Steel slide.

I now have one for dress & one for casual wear.
Posted by: zerosoma

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 04/30/14 10:01 AM

The shield is good but you might want to consider a Kahr CM9 or a Beretta Nano. They are both smaller and more concealable. The Shield is a little larger but will work well IWB if that's what you're looking for.
Posted by: SS1970chrysler

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/05/14 09:53 PM

I'd recommend the Zastava M88A Tokarev in 9mm (9x19). It's a lesser-known piece, but still being made at a fair price.
Posted by: Robenstein

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/05/14 11:58 PM

The M88 Tokarev does not have the most snag free sights on it, plus you would have to carry it cocked and locked, and the slide mounted safety would make it not very quick to disengage compared to a frame mounted one. They are super inexpensive though.

Posted by: Mr_Incredible

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/07/14 07:23 AM

I carry an LC9 when I don't carry a G30SF.

It has a manual safety, ala 1911, which I also have. It isn't a problem for me, and I like that in a small gun that will be in tight spots.

I removed the magazine interlock. The trigger is heavy, but it's no worse than a revolver and I can shoot it well.

The only problem it has is with sweat. It appears to like to rust. You have to keep it oiled and dried out after a hot day in the yard doing sweaty work. The blueing is pretty lame in that respect.

I'm going to get a J-frame this year, I think. Alloy frame. That should be less worrisome.
Posted by: Robenstein

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/07/14 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
I carry an LC9 when I don't carry a G30SF.

It has a manual safety, ala 1911, which I also have. It isn't a problem for me, and I like that in a small gun that will be in tight spots.

I removed the magazine interlock. The trigger is heavy, but it's no worse than a revolver and I can shoot it well.

The only problem it has is with sweat. It appears to like to rust. You have to keep it oiled and dried out after a hot day in the yard doing sweaty work. The blueing is pretty lame in that respect.

I'm going to get a J-frame this year, I think. Alloy frame. That should be less worrisome.



Sounds like a good candidate for Gun Kote/ Dura Coat or getting the slide hard chromed.
Posted by: SuzukiGoat

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/08/14 02:08 AM

Just a heads up, my glock 19 has been with me for seven years.

In the winter I shoulder carry, the rest of the time...waist clipped.

Very thin for what it is... and 17+1 with a g17 mag.
Posted by: SOHCman

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/11/14 08:52 AM

Basically, glock needs to finally produce the single stack 9 version of the .380 they have promised.

Then I think every major manufacturer will have one out and people can have their pick of the litter.
Posted by: alternety

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/12/14 06:27 PM

I suggest looking at Boberg Arms. Check out their web site and forum. You can talk to the owner/designer. Their "shorty" is a pocket sized 7+1 9mm. They are just starting deliveries on a .45 version.

Much reduced felt recoil. Eats +P. It is pricey. Tritium sights option.
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/12/14 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: alternety
I suggest looking at Boberg Arms. It is pricey.


Yup, you got that right.
Posted by: whip

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/12/14 08:42 PM

What's the fascination with the odd ball guns for carry? If I'm using a gun every day, I'd want something that I could find parts and accessories easily for.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/14/14 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I know its not single stack, but while you're in the gun shop check out the SCCY CPX 2, dbl stack and 11 rounds counting the one in the tube.


I should have added here they sell for $239.00. Just bought the 2nd one today.


How much have you shot it? I've looked at the CPX-2 before, but not with too much seriousness. But the more I look at it, the more I like it.

It says the trigger is 9 pounds, double action only. That sounds slightly heavy; my Kel-Tec has a 6 pound trigger. Is it still pretty easy to stay on target with that heavier trigger? And is it a true double action only, with second strike capability? My Kel-Tec is "double action", meaning that it does pull the hammer back and release it with the trigger pull, but the slide half-cocks the hammer, and the trigger can only pull the hammer back from that half-cocked position. If a round doesn't fire, you cannot strike a second time because the slide wouldn't have cycled.

Thanks.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/14/14 08:25 AM

Never mind...found this...looks like the hammer on the CPX-2 does sit at full rest, cycles with the trigger, and there is second strike capability.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-carry-guns/178084-sccy-cpx-2-9mm-review.html
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/14/14 10:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I know its not single stack, but while you're in the gun shop check out the SCCY CPX 2, dbl stack and 11 rounds counting the one in the tube.


I should have added here they sell for $239.00. Just bought the 2nd one today.


How much have you shot it? I've looked at the CPX-2 before, but not with too much seriousness. But the more I look at it, the more I like it.

It says the trigger is 9 pounds, double action only. That sounds slightly heavy; my Kel-Tec has a 6 pound trigger. Is it still pretty easy to stay on target with that heavier trigger? And is it a true double action only, with second strike capability? My Kel-Tec is "double action", meaning that it does pull the hammer back and release it with the trigger pull, but the slide half-cocks the hammer, and the trigger can only pull the hammer back from that half-cocked position. If a round doesn't fire, you cannot strike a second time because the slide wouldn't have cycled.

Thanks.


At present I have over 400 rounds thru my SCCY.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/14/14 11:33 AM

Thanks. Any other subjective feedback? Comments on fit-and-finish? Do you like the trigger? Easy to stay on target? Does it carry well in holsters you can buy OTS for other similarly-sized guns? I appreciate your thoughts on it.
Posted by: UncleS2

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/14/14 02:15 PM

If you're looking at the double-stack magazine SCCY CPX2, you might also want to look at the Kel-Tec P11. Kel-Tec's original model, you can now get 12 round flush fit magazines for them, and I would expect quality/reliability/accuracy to be at least the equal of the SCCY.
(Probably better- there, I said it. Seems to be very fashionable to bash the Kel Tecs these days, especially by those who have no experience with them. I say Horse Hockey on that. Virtually all the lower cost options out there may need a little "fluff & buff" &/or break-in. The P11 has been made for almost 20 yrs now.)
Posted by: jcwit

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/14/14 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: UncleS2
If you're looking at the double-stack magazine SCCY CPX2, you might also want to look at the Kel-Tec P11. Kel-Tec's original model, you can now get 12 round flush fit magazines for them, and I would expect quality/reliability/accuracy to be at least the equal of the SCCY.
(Probably better- there, I said it. Seems to be very fashionable to bash the Kel Tecs these days, especially by those who have no experience with them. I say Horse Hockey on that. Virtually all the lower cost options out there may need a little "fluff & buff" &/or break-in. The P11 has been made for almost 20 yrs now.)


Right up front I'll admit I have NO experience with Kel Tecs what so ever.

But do they have a No Question's Asked warranty like the SCCY have that goes with the gun, not just for the 1st owner.

Might take note of what the guy that designed the SCCY is also capable of.

The main point about the SCCY Firearms is the quality of materials that is used in the manufacturing much better than any other firearm in the minimal price range and that was the goal of the man who designed the firearm, He also designed the first heart stint that is working now in 1,000's of hearts across America this moment as well as the machine that grinds the glass lenses for the 1 hour eyeglass businesses, In other words this guy knew what He was doing.

Ya, they had growing pains, especially with the designer/partner having a bout with cancer shortly after bringing out the 1st gen. of pistols. He survived and took over the company again.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/15/14 06:03 AM

I own a Kel-Tec (a P-32) and it's been very reliable for me. My dad also has a P-32 and it's been great for him. I really like the Kel-Tec pistols and have been looking at PF-9s and P-11s.

But SCCY's build and material quality looks to be excellent (materials certainly look better than K-T) and I love the forever warranty. K-T has a good warranty, but it applies only to the first owner. My P-32 is used, so I really don't have a warranty on it. That's a consideration as I look at the used gun market for a PF-9 or a P-11. Having said that, K-T has an excellent service department, where parts are available inexpensively and easily, straight from their website. Does one really need a warranty on a gun these days? I don't know.

I can buy a new SCCY for the same as or less than a used K-T.

But does the "you get what you pay for" adage apply here? SCCY looks to be the real deal, but I can't get the inexpensive price out of the back of my mind. I'd really like to try one.

Anyone in or around North Carolina have a SCCY CPX-2 who would like to join me at the range some time? smile
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/15/14 06:06 AM

Originally Posted By: UncleS2
...the Kel-Tec P11. Kel-Tec's original model, you can now get 12 round flush fit magazines for them...


Is K-T offering these 12-rounders, or are they aftermarket? The P-11 is on my short list as well, though I prefer the slightly lighter trigger of the PF-9. I wonder if I can find a trigger kit for the P-11. I wouldn't want to lighten it too much, but I understand the stock trigger is VERY heavy.

My K-T P-32 has a long 6 pound trigger. But it's a very SMOOTH trigger, and the length and weight of the pull seems very appropriate for the type of gun it is (pocket carry).
Posted by: UncleS2

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/15/14 04:46 PM

The 12-round magazines are made by the same company that makes the Kel-Tec "factory" 10-round magazine- Meggar, IIRC. Both 10s & 12s are currenty listed for sale on the Kel-Tec website.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/16/14 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: UncleS2
The 12-round magazines are made by the same company that makes the Kel-Tec "factory" 10-round magazine- Meggar, IIRC.


Oh, okay; that would be "Mec-Gar". They make the P-32 magazines as well.

http://www.mec-gar.com/

Thanks for the info.
Posted by: ironman_gq

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/16/14 01:50 PM

I've got an M&P Shield, its about the same size as the springfield XDs. Easy to CC while still being fuctional as a shooter, fairly accurate and your pinky finger still has a place to rest.
Posted by: OtisBlkR1

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/17/14 06:24 PM

just contributing to the conversation, in recent months ive purchased two new CC weapons, #1 the Glock 26 for days i can wear a windbreaker, hoody etc and a Smith&Wesson body guard 380 (factory laser equiped) for t-shirt and shorts days. I use a blackhawk CQC holster with the glock and use the paddle option and just love it, i have a Fobus holster for the .380 and completely forget im wearing it. I wont bash anyones elses choices, as long as your carrying somthing, its better than nothing !
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/19/14 07:50 AM

I had my Kel-Tec P-32 in my shorts pocket in a Blackhawk #1 size pocket holster all weekend. Couldn't even tell it was there. I, too, plan to buy a Glock 26 for the colder months where I'd wear an overcoat. I'm not into IWB carry, at least not yet.
Posted by: whip

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/19/14 02:32 PM

I was looking at a G26 for winter carry. I ended up buying the G19. It really isn't that much bigger and it was much easier to shoot. IMO, the G19 is the best gun Glock makes.
Posted by: Hokiefyd

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 05/20/14 06:57 AM

I go back and forth on 19 vs 26. Honestly, the 26 fits my hand better...the palm swell on a 26 cups right into the hollow of my palm. The palm swell on a 19 sits right at the base of my hand. The palm swell on a 17 sits just below my hand. For me, ironically, the full size and the subcompact both fit better than the compact.

I saw something, however, in a Hickok45 video the other day that might make a 19 work for me: a Grip Force adapter:

http://gripforceproducts.com/

It feels in some above the palm swell and adds a nice subtle little beaver tail. It might make the grip too large for my wife's smaller hands, though. We'll see...
Posted by: cashmoney

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 06/17/14 11:47 PM

I have a Shield 9 and a S&W M&P Bodyguard 380 (non laser) for CC. The Shield 9 is a great gun, easily shoots tight groups out to 15 yards, but it honestly feels like I'm carrying a brick compared to the super small, much lighter BG380. The best gun possible is the one that is with you all the time. With a little training the BG380 is easy to shoot and produces tight groups at 7 yards. At the most likely real life tactical SD distance, 5 to 15 feet or so, I am 100% OK with using the 7 shot .380 BG380 loaded with high quality SD rounds, instead of having to carry heavier 9mm pocket gun.

For non CC use, around the home, etc., I train with and use FS M&P 9mm - 18 rounds with rail mounted Streamlight TLR-2S.
Posted by: 2cool

Re: Single Stack 9mm for Concealed Carry - 06/19/14 11:13 PM

I voted with my money for an LC9. Small, 7+1 of 9mm, loooong double action pull minimizes the possibility of an ND. Yeah, it's a long pull, but not heavy (to me). It's easy to field strip and appears well made to me. I am sure that all of the others mentioned are good guns, some are much more expensive, but I think none are better.