Savage FCP-K in .308

Posted by: OVERKILL

Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 08:45 AM

There's another "good deal" at the local gun shop. ARG! It's a Savage FCP-K in .308 with the same scope I already have (Bushnell Elite 6500 M-Fine). Also comes with the Caldwell bipod...etc. Similar setup to my .223 except no strap and it is black not digital camo.

Gun is gorgeous and in mint condition. Same price as my .223, $1195.00.

I did some googling and found absolutely stellar reviews for it. Looks like it compares well to the Remington 700 5R Milspec I was considering.......

This is not a picture of the actual gun, but gives an idea as to what it looks like:



Anybody have experience with this rifle that goes against what the reviews have said? As the reviews make it seem like I'd be stupid not to pick it up shrug
Posted by: Astro14

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 08:51 AM

Looks nice! I think your collection needs a .308... Don't you?
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Looks nice! I think your collection needs a .308... Don't you?


Yup, and the wife isn't even all that resistant to the purchase! I think she's just sort of given up at this point, LOL! I told her the calibres I wanted and .308 was one of them wink
Posted by: demarpaint

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 09:31 AM

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Looks nice! I think your collection needs a .308... Don't you?


Yup, and the wife isn't even all that resistant to the purchase! I think she's just sort of given up at this point, LOL! I told her the calibres I wanted and .308 was one of them wink


She's a keeper, just like mine. Nice rifle choice too. smile
Posted by: BISCUT

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 09:40 AM

Excellent rifle bro. What's real nice with the 308 is the barrel life is stout and that is with keeping tight groups.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 09:42 AM

Thanks guys! Will see if I have time after work to get it tonight.
Posted by: sw99

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 11:00 AM

I use a Savage 10 FCP-SR for sniper duties and it's absolutely impressed me. They look pretty similar. Accutrigger is fantastic and the stock is decent. This thing gives me 1/2 MOA at 100yds if I do my part.
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 05:12 PM

Thats a fine looking rifle! I'm jelous! smile
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 06:26 PM

Picked it up two hours ago, will post pics shortly. Scope is actually different than on the .223, same series, different model. This one is a 65-4305M (.223 has a 65-2165M). This one has 30x zoom.

They had the gun listed as a PC (Precision Carbine) rather than what it is, which is the FCP-K. Not sure if that was just an oversight or? shrug

Doesn't matter now though wink LOL!
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 07:18 PM

Pic of her at home (don't mind the cat dish, just noticed that)

Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 07:21 PM

Nice rifle and love that scope!
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Nice rifle and love that scope!


Yeah, I'm loving the scope too, really like this Bushnell series. Was extremely impressed with the one on the .223 on Saturday smile
Posted by: ZeeOSix

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Nice rifle and love that scope!


Yeah, I'm loving the scope too, really like this Bushnell series. Was extremely impressed with the one on the .223 on Saturday smile


Sweeeet! Based on the scope model number, this one is a 4-30X and the one on your .223 is a 2-16X. I'm I right? grin

I bet that .308 with a 30X scope can reach out there.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/13/14 10:27 PM

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Nice rifle and love that scope!


Yeah, I'm loving the scope too, really like this Bushnell series. Was extremely impressed with the one on the .223 on Saturday smile


Sweeeet! Based on the scope model number, this one is a 4-30X and the one on your .223 is a 2-16X. I'm I right? grin

I bet that .308 with a 30X scope can reach out there.


Exactly right!

We will certainly find out, can't wait to take this thing shooting grin
Posted by: Papa Bear

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/14/14 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Yup, and the wife isn't even all that resistant to the purchase! I think she's just sort of given up at this point, LOL! I told her the calibres I wanted and .308 was one of them wink


Wait until she starts her collection of shoes & handbags ......
you won't have a leg to stand on. popcorn
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/14/14 09:11 AM

LOL! She's not too bad on the shoes/handbag front. Though she did just ask me to get her a new laptop wink
Posted by: Papa Bear

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/14/14 09:15 AM

In the late 50's-early 60's you used to be able to go to Woolworths and buy all the M1s & SMLEs you wanted for $15.00 each.
I gave then away as fast as I bought them and I wish I would have kept an extra M1 and SMLE jungle carbine (they were $25.00) ....
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/15/14 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
In the late 50's-early 60's you used to be able to go to Woolworths and buy all the M1s & SMLEs you wanted for $15.00 each.
I gave then away as fast as I bought them and I wish I would have kept an extra M1 and SMLE jungle carbine (they were $25.00) ....

Are you talking about M1 carbines or M1 Garands?
Posted by: Papa Bear

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/15/14 06:03 PM

carbine
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/16/14 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
carbine
I had one of those, with the 18.5 inch barrel so it wasn't in the restricted class. I shot it alot, ammo was cheap then. Hardly any recoil!
Posted by: 2010_FX4

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/18/14 07:02 PM

Me likey! cheers
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/23/14 07:14 PM

Got it sighted in yesterday. Holy poo was it off. Like several feet at 150 yards.

It was insanely windy but I was able to bullseye the target and get decent groups (about 1") with it at 150 yards from prone when shooting between gusts. When shooting during the gusts, I'd get fliers that'd would be a few inches off from the group.

Gun has a surprising amount of "jump" (I'm hesitant to call it kick) given the weight and brake on it. And sweet Jesus is it LOUD.

Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with it but will definitely be using the .223 a lot more than it (killed two squirrels with the .223 yesterday) because it is a lot more maneuverable, lighter, similar action, trigger, scope....etc. Just a better "fun" gun. The .308 is definitely the better long distance rifle though IMHO. I think with good ammo and less wind it would, if I do my part, group just as well at 300 yards as it does at 150 currently.
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/23/14 09:28 PM

What ammo did you use?
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/23/14 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
What ammo did you use?


Federal 150 grain soft point.
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/24/14 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
What ammo did you use?


Federal 150 grain soft point.
When you get the scope dialed in you should try some Federal 168 grain match ammo and see how it groups.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/24/14 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
What ammo did you use?


Federal 150 grain soft point.
When you get the scope dialed in you should try some Federal 168 grain match ammo and see how it groups.


Thanks for the tip, will see if the shop stocks it smile
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/24/14 07:01 PM

Let us know how it works smile
Posted by: Reg# 43897

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/28/14 04:00 PM

All very interesting. Ditto on the 168 gr HPBT Nosler stuff. Have used both the Win & Fed varietis - all good. My M14 digests both & is consistently an inch & a half w/ iron. Yes, w/ iron. Incredible. Used the Win variety in a Rem 700 tri-fluted short barrel (18") that was smack-on one inch at 150 yards (Leupold 1-5 long relief). And that s---'s deadly on moose. Wouldn't think it but it grenade's the vitals.

John.
Posted by: Cujet

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/28/14 09:16 PM

I have a 24 inch DPMS LR308, and it's my favorite all around gun. I'm a huge fan of the 308 in all it's forms.

The reason I mention this is that your gun (I believe) also has a 1 in 10 twist rate. This is not ideal for 150 grain 308 (milsurp and so on) but is absolutely perfect for Federal Gold Medal Match 168 grain Boat Tail Hollow Point. That specific ammo in my 308 performs best.

The reasons are many. (by memory) First, it's metal jacket is thin and soft, the Sierra bullets are very well made, with extremely small deviation between bullets. The microscopic hollow point is not for expansion, but for aerodynamics. The area behind the hollow point is empty, biasing the weight of the lead back aft on the bullet a bit. Leading to better flight characteristics over long distances. The boat tail is another aerodynamic feature. The brass, powder and primer are match grade stuff.

I'm not going to make the claim that this is the ammo your gun will like best. But I will say it's very likely to be a good choice for long range target.

The farthest I've shot my 308 was 600 yards (in reality, I can't see small targets that far away) and I was able to hit an old car hood propped against a tree with ease. Given time, I can get all of my rounds on to a the paper target at that distance.

I know there are people that claim they can hit a quarter at 1000 yards. I don't listen to them. I've been shooting rifles for 40 years and know the reality of the situation. It takes skill, practice, understanding the daily conditions, and the right equipment. Even then, it takes time to work your way into accuracy. Trust me, hitting a car hood, first try, at 600 yards ain't bad at all.

Your gun will do this with ease. It's very likely to be sub MOA accurate.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/28/14 11:21 PM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Let us know how it works smile


OK, they didn't have the Federal match stuff, but they did have Hornady 155 grain match, so I grabbed 100 rounds tonight of it.

We'll see how this stuff shoots I guess?
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 02/28/14 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Cujet
I have a 24 inch DPMS LR308, and it's my favorite all around gun. I'm a huge fan of the 308 in all it's forms.

The reason I mention this is that your gun (I believe) also has a 1 in 10 twist rate. This is not ideal for 150 grain 308 (milsurp and so on) but is absolutely perfect for Federal Gold Medal Match 168 grain Boat Tail Hollow Point. That specific ammo in my 308 performs best.

The reasons are many. (by memory) First, it's metal jacket is thin and soft, the Sierra bullets are very well made, with extremely small deviation between bullets. The microscopic hollow point is not for expansion, but for aerodynamics. The area behind the hollow point is empty, biasing the weight of the lead back aft on the bullet a bit. Leading to better flight characteristics over long distances. The boat tail is another aerodynamic feature. The brass, powder and primer are match grade stuff.

I'm not going to make the claim that this is the ammo your gun will like best. But I will say it's very likely to be a good choice for long range target.

The farthest I've shot my 308 was 600 yards (in reality, I can't see small targets that far away) and I was able to hit an old car hood propped against a tree with ease. Given time, I can get all of my rounds on to a the paper target at that distance.

I know there are people that claim they can hit a quarter at 1000 yards. I don't listen to them. I've been shooting rifles for 40 years and know the reality of the situation. It takes skill, practice, understanding the daily conditions, and the right equipment. Even then, it takes time to work your way into accuracy. Trust me, hitting a car hood, first try, at 600 yards ain't bad at all.

Your gun will do this with ease. It's very likely to be sub MOA accurate.


Thank you for your insight, I'll try and source that ammo, I don't recall seeing it but they can probably bring it in. cheers
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/09/14 12:34 AM

Update:

Took out the .308 again today to run the Hornady 155gr Match Ammo (polymer coated steel casing) through it. I'm relatively happy with the results but not the ammo. It doesn't feed well and gets stuck in the clip. I do not have that problem with the brass. I also grabbed a picture of the 150 yard target from last time for comparison.

150 yard target (last outing) shot with Federal lead-tipped 150gr bullets on a very windy day. The 3x close shots were shot between gusts, the bottom-right one was shot during a gust.



This is a 100 yard target, shot today with the 155gr Hornady Match. I moved the scope (it was a bit out of alignment on the mounts) so there are groups all over the paper while I was trying to sight it in. The groups are pretty consistent IMHO, especially considering this is only my 2nd time shooting the gun.

The bottom-right shots are from my buddy's 300 win mag, which he was just breaking-in.



This was a 220 yard shot with the scope set for 300 yards. It has a bit more drop than the scope is dialed for. First three shots were low (didn't snap a pic) and were about 2" MOA.

Posted by: ZeeOSix

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/09/14 04:29 AM

Looks pretty good over-all. So what would you say the accuracy was based on those shooting results?

1 MOA is a 1" group @ 100 yards, 2" group @ 200 yards, etc.
2 MOA is a 2" group @ 100 yards, 4" group @ 200 yards, etc.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/09/14 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Looks pretty good over-all. So what would you say the accuracy was based on those shooting results?

1 MOA is a 1" group @ 100 yards, 2" group @ 200 yards, etc.
2 MOA is a 2" group @ 100 yards, 4" group @ 200 yards, etc.


The gun is more capable than I am at this point. The groups (I wish I had used a quarter or something on the 100 yard target) are about 1/2" (as you can see, most of the holes in the groups were touching/overlapping when I did my part). For example, if you follow the lines, on the #9 coming in from the left, picture the size of a .308 bullet and those three in a cluster were one group. The four below just to the right of that set were also one group. I was bringing the scope up one click when I shot that, hence the upward angle of the holes. Top right corner, the three holes that are all just one big hole? Also a group.

So based on that, I'd say it, using this ammo, when I can do my part, shoots about 1/2" at 100 yards. It would definitely be under 2" at 200 yards, as the group I did at 220 yards was ~2" and that was due to me, not the gun.
Posted by: ZeeOSix

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/09/14 03:14 PM

Sounds like at least a 1/2 MOA gun! thumbsup
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 08:24 AM

The that place you bought the rifle, are they able to get the Federal Gold Medal match ammo in? I bet you would get a bit better groups with that over the Hornady ammo.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 08:35 AM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
The that place you bought the rifle, are they able to get the Federal Gold Medal match ammo in? I bet you would get a bit better groups with that over the Hornady ammo.


There's certainly no harm in asking, which I have not done yet (I believe these are the same ones Cujet recommended, no?)
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 08:55 AM

Yep, its the same stuff smile Excellent quality but pricy, worth it though.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 09:06 AM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Yep, its the same stuff smile Excellent quality but pricy, worth it though.


Seems to be overwhelming consensus that it is what I should be shooting, based on this thread, LOL!!! grin

BTW, they (the gun shop) are going to see if they are able to get an M99, I asked about it on Friday. Won't be something I pick up in the next little bit, but as noted in my other thread, it is on my "must own" list.

The local range I went to early last week said we are OK to shoot it there too, which I thought was pretty cool smile
Posted by: rockydee

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 09:08 AM

Why not try rolling your own with SMK bullets?
Posted by: xxch4osxx

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Yep, its the same stuff smile Excellent quality but pricy, worth it though.


Seems to be overwhelming consensus that it is what I should be shooting, based on this thread, LOL!!! grin

BTW, they (the gun shop) are going to see if they are able to get an M99, I asked about it on Friday. Won't be something I pick up in the next little bit, but as noted in my other thread, it is on my "must own" list.

The local range I went to early last week said we are OK to shoot it there too, which I thought was pretty cool smile
An M99, now that's a serious piece of hardware! I like the Macmillan TAC-50 bolt action .50BMG as well, I think they are in use by our military.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 10:02 AM

Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Yep, its the same stuff smile Excellent quality but pricy, worth it though.


Seems to be overwhelming consensus that it is what I should be shooting, based on this thread, LOL!!! grin

BTW, they (the gun shop) are going to see if they are able to get an M99, I asked about it on Friday. Won't be something I pick up in the next little bit, but as noted in my other thread, it is on my "must own" list.

The local range I went to early last week said we are OK to shoot it there too, which I thought was pretty cool smile
An M99, now that's a serious piece of hardware! I like the Macmillan TAC-50 bolt action .50BMG as well, I think they are in use by our military.


They are, but the McMillan is literally twice the price of the M99, and both guns perform similarly smile The McMillan is the gun of course that Rob Furlong used in his famous record-setting kills.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 10:02 AM

Originally Posted By: rockydee
Why not try rolling your own with SMK bullets?


I'm getting to that, LOL! Don't have any of the equipment yet.
Posted by: rockydee

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/10/14 10:16 AM

Smart move my friend. smile You can go less expensive and pretty good with Lee. Or get a nice RCBS Rock Chucker press, a good scale, dies, etc, and get into some real precision hand loading if that's what you're after. .308 is a great round to re-load for, an awesome round in fact.

Hornady makes a nice press too, the lock and load. I use three presses, my buddy uses a turret press. I see one in my future.
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/17/14 08:45 PM

Surprised both myself and my buddy this weekend:





The through shots are from the .308 and the .300 win mag. Not surprised about the win mag, but definitely was with the .308. Those were just 150gr Federal (I have a fair chunk of that stuff) lead tipped. I had already fired off the 180gr Remington and the rest of my Hornady JHP's by the time we started to shoot things other than targets.

Put another 110 rounds through it on Saturday. The smaller ding in the plate was from another guy who came out and was shooting a 243. The not-through dents are from when the plate was on an angle and the .308 wouldn't punch through it. Hand no problem when it was vertical though, and I put a lot more holes through it after these pics.
Posted by: ZeeOSix

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/18/14 02:44 AM

shocked2 That was with lead tipped bullets? Were they steel core or something? And some of that looks to be double layer ... nuts. shocked How far away were those shot made?
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: Savage FCP-K in .308 - 03/18/14 11:13 AM

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
shocked2 That was with lead tipped bullets? Were they steel core or something? And some of that looks to be double layer ... nuts. shocked How far away were those shot made?


Yessir, lead-tipped Federal 150gr rounds. $20/box. Nothing special about the core AFAIK shrug

Box says muzzle velocity of 2,820fps w/2,650lb-ft of energy. They are "medium game" loads.

Distance was 100 yards.

Yes, the front plate was double-layer, but it was thinner layers. The back piece was thicker.