Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage?

Posted by: alexeft

Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/17/12 05:07 AM

Hi all,

I find this forum about bypass filtration and oil cleanliness extremely interesting.

But still, I would like to ask if there are any car owners that use bypass filtration and have covered high miles.

Thanks
Posted by: ARB1977

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/17/12 06:10 AM

Change your oil regularly with filter and you don't have to worry about bypass filtration.
Posted by: SteveSRT8

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/17/12 06:22 AM

We ran bypass filters on fleet trucks for many years.

Seriously, on most newer cars there is no real ROI, as the additional expense and UOA's will eat up your meager savings.

Modern oils and good filters have taken away the benefits for the ordinary driver.
Posted by: scurvy

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/17/12 06:34 AM

What do you consider "high miles"?

I have a bypass filter on my Golf that has done approximately 70k km since installation, 200k km currently on the car. After installing it, I did a one-year, 30k km OCI and got back my best UOA to date.

In most cars there is little benefit, but with the notoriously cam-grinding PD engine I thought could benefit from extra filtration and an extra liter of sump capacity.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/17/12 06:48 AM

@ARB1977 : Changing the oil soon is obvious and correct I guess, but bp possibly is more economical and possibly does a better job at keeping the oil clean, as oil even if new, contains some dirt by itself.

@ SteveSRT8 : Thanks for your answer. The problem is that I still can't get my head around how a better oil would do anything at all about dirt. A better filter, yes, it would help with dirt, or so I feel.

@ scurvy : I don't have a specific limit for "high miles". Whatever you think is important is acceptable. I am looking for some evidence that bp actually helps the engine. Thanks.
Posted by: azsynthetic

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/18/12 10:03 PM

I have Amsoil bypass filters on all my vehicles ranging from 25K to 360K actual usage miles.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/19/12 07:06 AM

Nice on the 360k one! Any oil related problems like using oil?

cheers
Posted by: Jim Allen

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/21/12 10:17 AM

I've started with bypass fitltration but an not far enough to brag about anything yet. Only about 10K into a run now... which can be done without bypass. With a few exceptions, I see bypass filtration as an oil life extender rather than an engine life extender... though it does that also. Carefully calculate the costs because the ROI isn't there for everyone. A good oil and good primary filter goes a long way, especially on a gas engine. With diesels, a good ROI is easier to attain. With eitehr type of engine, a good ROI is easier when the engine gets high annual miles... as with a commercially operated vehicle that on the road 8 hours a day, every day and downtime for maintenance removes the vehicle fro it's tasks.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/21/12 01:43 PM

What I am mostly interested in is extended extended engine life, as well as a good engine life ie the lest possible oil consumption, less failing seals.

I don't think I will extend the OCI too much. 15k klms is manufacturer specified, plus the bigger sump, I should be able to reach 20k and still be within manufacturer specs. A few analyses should lead me to 30k and that's about it.
Posted by: azsynthetic

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/22/12 05:48 AM

Originally Posted By: alexeft
Nice on the 360k one! Any oil related problems like using oil?


It is a 91 Chevy V8 K1500. I am running an Amsoil BE-110 bypass with a M1 stainless steel mesh full flow. I have not changed either filters in the past four years. I drained out the old oil at every 10K and refilled with whatever I have left on the shelves. Honestly, I don't know what oil is in there right now. Oil consumption is less than a quart per OCI. Engine has not been opened for any repair yet, like a rock.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/22/12 03:03 PM

Wow drive
Exactly what I expect.

BTW, what is an M1 mesh? Some kind of filter with only a mesh inside?
Posted by: SteveSRT8

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/22/12 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: alexeft

@ SteveSRT8 : Thanks for your answer. The problem is that I still can't get my head around how a better oil would do anything at all about dirt. A better filter, yes, it would help with dirt, or so I feel.


The problem is most filters are never used to capacity and a bypass setup is always good, just not worth the money and additional leak points, etc.
Posted by: slalom44

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/22/12 08:25 PM

I have 248,000 miles on my '03 Honda S2000 with an Amsoil BMK-13 dual remote bypass filter system and a prelube pump. I run Amsoil Signature Series 0W-30 oil with 40,000 mile OCIs. My car still runs like new and my UOAs are looking great.

I agree that the filter is the key, but it takes a good oil with a robust add pack to allow you to extend your OCIs enough to make it cost effective.
Posted by: dnewton3

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/23/12 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: slalom44
I have 248,000 miles on my '03 Honda S2000 with an Amsoil BMK-13 dual remote bypass filter system and a prelube pump. I run Amsoil Signature Series 0W-30 oil with 40,000 mile OCIs. My car still runs like new and my UOAs are looking great.

I agree that the filter is the key, but it takes a good oil with a robust add pack to allow you to extend your OCIs enough to make it cost effective.



Syns with bypass in greatly extended OCIs, using UOAs for verification.

Finally! - someone who understands and uses tools for their correct application. Kudos to you!
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/23/12 06:44 AM

Kudos from me to slalom44 for his very nice Honda. That's an eye popping UOA there.

The reason I still support (or so I think, I haven't installed the BP yet) changing the oil at reasonable intervals is that UOAs cost as much as an oil change. It is easier (and I feel more comfortable with it, at least for now).

I would expect to have a ROI from a longer and better engine life. 10k or 18k miles on an OCI does not seem like a really small interval and I think BP will still help the engine.
Posted by: dnewton3

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/23/12 08:45 AM

Agreed; small sumps and moderate OCIs cannot make expensive products meet the ROI. That often goes for syns, premium filters, additives, etc.

But some folks like the challenges, and they like to be "different". Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I simply applaud using syns and bypass and UOAs for all the right reasons, which slalom44 is.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/24/12 07:14 AM

Of course, there is nothing wrong at all with this challenge and/or being different.
Posted by: azsynthetic

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/31/12 12:13 AM

Originally Posted By: alexeft

BTW, what is an M1 mesh? Some kind of filter with only a mesh inside?


http://www.system1filters.com/oilfilters.htm

The filter I bought back in 1993 was model M1. Still using it today.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/01/12 02:16 PM

Hmmm, thanks!
Posted by: SteveSRT8

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/02/12 06:54 AM

As we get virtually infinite engine life now with quality syn and a good filter changed exactly per OLM we have dropped the bypass set ups and never looked back.

If you want more things to potentially leak and more expenses with questionable benefits, I applaud your willingness to work.

I have engines out working every day with OVER 400k miles that run quiet, do not consume oil, and do not smoke or drip.

If you do not use UOA's to document the effectiveness then you are simply having fun, which is ok too.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/02/12 09:42 AM

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Fun is certainly part of the game and UOAs make it even funnier.

Still, the more I read about lubrication, the more I understand that dirt is a major enemy and I fail to understand what a good oil would do about it, excluding soot of course.
Posted by: HTSS_TR

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/03/12 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: slalom44
I have 248,000 miles on my '03 Honda S2000 with an Amsoil BMK-13 dual remote bypass filter system and a prelube pump. I run Amsoil Signature Series 0W-30 oil with 40,000 mile OCIs. My car still runs like new and my UOAs are looking great.

I agree that the filter is the key, but it takes a good oil with a robust add pack to allow you to extend your OCIs enough to make it cost effective.

Bypass and main filter are very importance when you do 30-40k miles OCI's, when you follow Honda recommended 7.5k miles OCI's then OEM filter PCX-004 is more than adequate.

When I use syn oil in my LS400 I double the OCI interval to 1 year up to 14-15k miles, I use various low-mid range filters such as Purolator, Motorcraft ... The car is almost 300k miles now without any engine problem related to oil or anything else, even the valve cover gaskets are original.
Posted by: EyesofThunder

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/19/12 11:08 AM

I have a GS400 and been running wix filters and 10k changes on synthetic oil. I have a bypass filter (no mount yet) on the shelf I am thinking about using. Just wondering if it is worth it. Only cost for me to go bypass is the mount.

I do drive 40k a year. And always welcome an increase in oil capacity.
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/19/12 03:24 PM

I just had mine installed on my Prius. Nothing to report yet.
Posted by: Xerox_Guy

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/25/12 07:43 PM

I only have 285,500 so far on the 4.3L chevy and have the Amsoil dual-remote setup. I change the Eao15 at 16K and the Ea015 and BP90 at 32K when I change the oil also. Oil reports look great and engine is dry. Am I saving tons of money? probably not but I drive 3K/month and I like doing my oil changes only once/year. At 32K oci and my time NOT under the truck I am sure I saving some! And btw - Only Amsoil Signature series 0W-30.
Posted by: mead

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 09/26/12 12:01 AM

Just as an opposite view

I have 96 dodge 2500 with cummins

319,000 miles (276,000)when I purchased

In its previous life, oil was seldom changed and truck was a shop truck for steel company. They did change the oil when they seized a turbo (from lack of lube)

I fixed the oil leak at the front seal dropped transmission, bigger injectors, turbo, dv's and timing on it.

I neither burn nor leak oil. I use a Baldwin dual flow filter that contains a bypass filter with 5,000 mile oci's

Conoco fleet supreme 15-40
Posted by: biron

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 06/07/13 02:47 AM

I've been coming to Bob's since early 2005 and after reading all I could I decided to put a Motorguard bypass on my 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan. At the time it had 200K miles on it. I am the original owner and up to that point I had used Amzoil and Mobil 1 with factory filters with an occasional oil analysis. The van ran great for the first 200K miles and I wanted to see how far it would go. Actually, at this point, I couldn't beleive it made it to 200K, especially after having heard all of the horror stories about Chysler minivan transmissions.

As of today, the van has 496K miles on it - almost 300K miles (eight years) with a bypass. Is the bypass the reason it's still runs like new? Who knows, but it's still running very strong.

I put a Trasko bypass and a Magfine inline filter on the tranny cooler lines at around 210K and the factory tranny lasted until 442K! Probably a world record for a Chrysler transmission.

I have tons of photos and all receipts for the life of the van to prove that it did in fact last this long and if it wasn't for the rust that is starting to take over, I think this van would go at least another couple hundred thousand more miles but I fear that the rust will be it's demise.

I have to thank all of the people here at BITOG for all the great postings and info that they share, I know it's helped me to learn a lot and I've had fun doing all the tinkering. When I hit 500K I'm going to shoot a video and edit it with all of the picturs I've taken of all the places this van has been and post it on YouTube. I should be hitting 500K in about a month and a half. I'll report back then.
Posted by: Jim Allen

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 06/07/13 09:05 AM

Thanks for the report!
Posted by: alexeft

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 06/07/13 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: biron
I've been coming to Bob's since early 2005 and after reading all I could I decided to put a Motorguard bypass on my 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan. At the time it had 200K miles on it. I am the original owner and up to that point I had used Amzoil and Mobil 1 with factory filters with an occasional oil analysis. The van ran great for the first 200K miles and I wanted to see how far it would go. Actually, at this point, I couldn't beleive it made it to 200K, especially after having heard all of the horror stories about Chysler minivan transmissions.

As of today, the van has 496K miles on it - almost 300K miles (eight years) with a bypass. Is the bypass the reason it's still runs like new? Who knows, but it's still running very strong.

I put a Trasko bypass and a Magfine inline filter on the tranny cooler lines at around 210K and the factory tranny lasted until 442K! Probably a world record for a Chrysler transmission.

I have tons of photos and all receipts for the life of the van to prove that it did in fact last this long and if it wasn't for the rust that is starting to take over, I think this van would go at least another couple hundred thousand more miles but I fear that the rust will be it's demise.

I have to thank all of the people here at BITOG for all the great postings and info that they share, I know it's helped me to learn a lot and I've had fun doing all the tinkering. When I hit 500K I'm going to shoot a video and edit it with all of the picturs I've taken of all the places this van has been and post it on YouTube. I should be hitting 500K in about a month and a half. I'll report back then.


Wow!

Can't wait to hear and see what you have to say.
Posted by: biron

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 02/16/14 10:00 PM

Ok, I finally hit 500,000 miles on the 1999 Grand Caravan. I shot a video of the odometer turning over from 499,999 to zero. Yup, it went to zero! I thought it would go to 500,000 but maybe Chrysler didn't expect these vehicles to make it to 500K. Here's the link to the video: http://youtu.be/G8x1obfdi44

In the time since it hit 500K in July of 2013, I've added another 18,000 miles.
Posted by: Oldmoparguy1

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 02/18/14 12:17 PM

biron,

Congrads on your GC. Watched your youtube vid, nice looking van. You must take good care of it.

Wayne
Posted by: simple_gifts

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 02/21/14 07:33 PM

I have an OilGuard EPS10 on my !echo! that was installed early on in the life of the car; This was all prior to my extensive reading on BITOG; If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't bother or if I did, I would get a dual Amsoil setup. There really isn't any room under the hood and it would require removing the front bumper. Right after I bought it the filter prices skyrocketed so I don't bother changing the filter element unless it plugs or malfunctions. (2 have malfunctioned)

That being said 300K+ miles and I'm just coming around to dnewton's way of thinking.

My car consumes 1qt/1-2K now which is actually a blessing in disguise when we are going on a few months without a dry day to do an OC.

I run M1 EP filters in the winter so I don't have to bother changing the filter during an OC, I just drain and refill (5 minute OC)
Posted by: cptbarkey

Re: Any car owners with bypass and huge mileage? - 08/11/14 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: biron
Ok, I finally hit 500,000 miles on the 1999 Grand Caravan. I shot a video of the odometer turning over from 499,999 to zero. Yup, it went to zero! I thought it would go to 500,000 but maybe Chrysler didn't expect these vehicles to make it to 500K. Here's the link to the video: http://youtu.be/G8x1obfdi44

In the time since it hit 500K in July of 2013, I've added another 18,000 miles.


wow. which engine is this? 3.3? 3.8? 2.4?