2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M

Posted by: irontom

2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/27/12 10:33 PM

Code:
LAB NUMBER: F14287 UNIT ID: 03 VIBE

OIL REPORT DATE: 8/7/2012 CLIENT ID: 

REPORT 

Toyota 1.8L 4-cyl (1ZZ-FE)MAKE/MODEL: OIL TYPE & GRADE: Mobil 1 10W/30 
Gasoline (Unleaded)FUEL TYPE: OIL USE INTERVAL: 27,920 Miles 
ADDITIONAL INFO: 
 

COMMENTS TOM: The only thing highlighted last time was
aluminum, and that dropped back a tick this time around,
leaving your Vibe with a clean report. Iron and silicon are 
still above average for this type of engine, but silicon has 
been reading at this level for quite a while now, so it's not 
a problem, and the excess iron is due to the long oil run. 
Universal averages show 8 ppm iron is normal after ~5,600 
miles of oil use, but you ran nearly five times as long on the 
oil, so three times the iron isn't bad! The TBN was down to 
0.8, so we wouldn't run longer for now, but this is a nice 
report! 

ELEMENTS 
IN 
PARTS 
PER 
MILLION 
MI/HR on Oil 27,920 29,895 8,407 11,778 9,948 7,849 UNIVERSAL AVERAGES

MI/HR on Unit 201,249 UNIT / 173,329 128,943 76,628 64,850 54,902 
Sample Date 07/24/12 AVERAGES LOCATION 08/22/11 01/13/10 09/07/07 02/02/07 04/17/06 
Make Up Oil Added 1.5 qts 4 qts 0.5 qts 0 qts 0 qts 0 qts 
ALUMINUM 5 4 6 4 4 2 2 3
CHROMIUM 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
IRON 24 16 21 16 16 14 7 8
COPPER 1 1 1 1 2 1 0 2
LEAD 1 1 1 1 3 2 0 1
TIN 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
MOLYBDENUM 75 89 113 99 89 81 74 77
NICKEL 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
MANGANESE 1 2 2 2 3 2 0 1
SILVER 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TITANIUM 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
POTASSIUM 5 3 3 4 3 1 2 1
BORON 39 49 59 46 40 40 68 40
SILICON 23 19 22 21 21 16 12 14
SODIUM 6 86 17 8 6 6 39
CALCIUM 1340 2336 2506 2625 2837 2317 2388 2195
MAGNESIUM 875 209 182 69 59 48 18 113
PHOSPHORUS 748 695 761 699 669 659 636 713
ZINC 997 881 1001 883 866 784 754 840
BARIUM 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0

Values 
Should Be* 


PROPERTIES 
SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 64.3 58-68 67.3 61.8 57.9 57.7 59.2 
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 11.41 9.7-12.7 12.23 10.73 9.63 9.55 9.98 
Flashpoint in °F 375 >365 405 370 375 385 395 
Fuel % <0.5 <2.0 <0.5 <0.5 <0.5 <0.5 <0.5 
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 
Water % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 
Insolubles % 0.3 <0.6 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.2 
TBN 0.8 >1.0 2.2 2.0 4.1 1.8 2.9 
TAN 
ISO Code 

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This has been run at 15,000 miles OCI until the last 2 which where 27,920 and 29,895. Always using Toyota Oil Filter Part # 90915 yzzF1 which is larger then stock.
Posted by: tinmanSC

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/27/12 11:50 PM

Did I read this correctly? You're doing almost 30K OCI? shocked2
Posted by: Falken

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 05:44 AM

Wow, I don't see a point in running oil this long, but it is nice and informative for the rest of us.

This is probably the longest oil run I have ever seen on BITOG.

And, it is a good report at that. I am surprised that you still have any TBN left after 30,000 KM!!
Posted by: Falken

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 06:23 AM

Oops, meant to say 30,000 Miles, not KM.

I'm blown away. Is this the SN version?

I may start using Mobil 1...
Posted by: Thax

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 06:50 AM

I sure as [censored] wouldnt run a oci like this nor do I recommend it , but it is working for ya. Impressive , cant deny XOM makes a quality lube.
Posted by: LeakySeals

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 06:51 AM

Would reconsider using a end-capless Toyota OEM standard interval filter. A synthetic extended interval filter may be a better fit for your OCI.
Posted by: buster

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 07:42 AM

Kind of proves what XOM has said all along in that the Tbn will hang on for quite some time. This is the SN stuff too.

They test all Mobil 1 grades out to 25,000 miles.

Notice how oxidation resitant M1 is. You can see from this report that it's still a 30 grade, but slowly creeping up.
Posted by: LeakySeals

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 07:54 AM

Buster,
When you say creeping up do you mean thickening?
Posted by: buster

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 07:58 AM

Yeah if I'm reading it correctly the viscosity is 11.4, which is still a solid 30 grade. It stade in grade.
Posted by: buster

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 08:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Thax
I sure as [censored] wouldnt run a oci like this nor do I recommend it , but it is working for ya. Impressive , cant deny XOM makes a quality lube.


+1

I would never suggest going this far either. 15k is a lot, 30k is really pushing it LOL. Held up well though in this application.

No bypass filter either.
Posted by: FZ1

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 11:10 AM

Good report relative to the miles. How many months was the oil in use. What type of driving highway/city mix?
Posted by: tinmanSC

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 12:05 PM

I'm interested to know what kind of driving this engine saw during this run.
Posted by: irontom

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 02:03 PM

This is mostly highway driving. 15 mile trip mornings, and after noon daily. With 5 or 6 trips 50 to 80 mile plus return every week, Occasional short shopping trips also.

Had always run 15,000 Then the wife took over driving this car and ignored the stickers. Drats! I plan on going 20,000 now.

Oil was in use for about 10 months I also used the wrong info this is 5W/30 not sure tat matters. maybe moderator could fix the subject line?
Posted by: buster

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 02:27 PM

These are great results. One of the more impressive long drain UOA's I've seen.

Stick with it and use the Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 oil.
Posted by: cutter

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 02:50 PM

Very nice 1zz. A million mile engine after the oil-burning revision.
Posted by: tig1

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/28/12 02:54 PM

I have a friend which I have mentioned here before that does 15-20+K OCIs with his 99 Silverado. I saw him recently and he now has around 325K on his truck. Valve covers have never been removed. The engine still sounds great and uses very little oil. He has used nothing but M1 5-30 from day one, and he bought it new. Oh, he has never done a UOA. Also I see all this hand ringing here over TBN. As I have said many times, TBN is way over rated here. People like my fried and the OP prove it doesn't have much to do with the longivity of an engine. Also our own"FISSKER" does 15-20K on M1 0-20 and puts upward of 300K on 4 cyl Fords.
Posted by: fdcg27

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/29/12 05:44 PM

This looks great for the miles run.
It would look good at half the miles run, although you'd then see comments about M1 and high iron.
TBN is long gone, but it didn't seem to make any difference.
Maybe tig is on to something with M1 after all.
The only concern here is the Potassium.
Sodium was dramatically lower on this run from the last, and M1 does not contain sodium, although trace amounts might be found.
Head gasket leak?
If so, it isn't bad and isn't getting rapaidly worse.
Posted by: SLCraig

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/30/12 01:22 PM

Astonishing.. Old school thinking blown out the window right there. Many people still believe 3-5K OCI's or bust. Clearly you can go much further, but this is beyond what I am even referring to. 10K on M1 is a piece of cake clearly. (in this app at least)
Posted by: AITG

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 08/31/12 09:44 AM

PLEASE take a minute to read http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2155469#Post2155469
It makes the file so much easier to read. (Don't feel bad - I learned the hard way, too).
Posted by: friendly_jacek

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/02/12 12:18 PM

Great results, thanks for posting.

Is this mobil 1 or mobil 1 ep?
Posted by: irontom

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/03/12 12:15 AM

Mobil 1 EP 5W/30
Posted by: simple_gifts

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/03/12 08:52 AM

Wow. I'm amazed not only by the UOA, but by the fact FZ1 didn't say the OP ran it too long....

I am assuming warm weather car? Socal?
Posted by: buster

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/03/12 09:01 AM

Looks like the SN stuff is more than capable of long extended drains despite having a newer, low SAP additive/detergent system. XOM has always claimed to testing their oils out to 25,000 miles.

Quote:
"Thanks for your message, Mike. We appreciate the feedback. A slight reduction in ash is desirable for advanced engine technology such as gasoline direct injection (GDI) engine and passenger car diesel engines. With GDI engines, higher levels of ash appear to result in a higher occurrence of Low Speed Pre-Ignition. The industry is currently developing tests and specifications to address Low Speed Pre-Ignition. In the future, passenger car engine oil specifications such as ILSAC GF-6 and dexos1 (next generation) are likely to have requirements such as lower ash to address Low Speed Pre-Ignition.

As for TBN retention, it is only a single parameter that provides an indication of the used oil condition. A reduction in TBN is an indication that the overbased detergent is doing its job by neutralizing acids that form as a result of combustion. TBN should be used in combination with other used oil parameters such as oxidation, nitration, TAN (Total Acid Number), ICP metals, D4684 MRV viscosity, and D445 kinematic viscosity to determine the overall condition of the used oil.

Finally, in our experience in severe-service Las Vegas field testing, Mobil 1 engine oil TBN levels typically do not drop below 2 for vehicles with 15,000 mile oil drain intervals. Furthermore, it is our experience that those oils tend not to drop any lower when we continue to 20,000 mile oil drains.

We hope this information was both helpful and informative. Thanks again for reaching out, and for your continued support of Mobil 1."




Quote:
This is one reason why higher levels of TBN’s can mislead you into thinking it is better when in fact all it is stating is that it has higher levels of detergents to keep the engine clean but the base oil can oxidize(or breakdown) faster than one with higher levels of antioxidants which prevents the acids by neutralizing the attacking acids as oppose to cleaning up the by products of the oxidized oil.



You rarely, if ever, see a M1 oil thicken out of grade.
Posted by: pitzel

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/04/12 04:44 AM

Great report. I'm hitting the 35k mile mark on XD-3 0W-30 pretty soon, so its good to see that there's others who are into long drains instead of paranoia as well. This report basically repeats something that many of us have known for years -- that in some cases, the 5k, or even 10k oil changes are a complete waste of money.
Posted by: bigjl

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/09/12 07:51 AM

This is the kind of info is why I have signed up to this forum.

My wifes daily driver is a late 2006 Renault Clio 1.5 DCi, it has a manufacturers oil change interval of 12k miles in normal service, my wife does some stop start but normally off peak times and little traffic congestion, little highway, mostly country roads and some urban suburbs.

Bought at 28k miles it had been serviced at 9k and 19k, annual service rather than by mileage, when bought it had Elf 10w40 Full Synth in it, which I repeated at purchase/28k then I changed over to Mobil 1 0W40 Turbo Diesel at 35k.

I then continues at 8/9k intervals. But going by these results I think I should be doing a UOA at 9k miles and see how far it will safely run.

I have always been a fan of Mobil 1, it is very popular in the UK.

I think with UOA I could probably safely extend my usage, hopefully to one change a year, she does around 18k a year, one change a year would save time and money.

Car has 92k miles atm, intend to give it to my daughter in four years to go to University and want it to last.
Posted by: hemitom

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/09/12 10:29 AM

Curious as to how much top oil was used ? seems to be an outstanding report for a 200000 mile engine.
Posted by: webfors

Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M - 09/10/12 10:37 AM

Nice report! I definitely drain my oil too early. Next OCI before winter will be M1 0w30 with a Fram XG. I might run that out this time... well to 10k miles anyway smile