http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Acura_RDX_Mobil_1_Brochure.pdf
It's not always about $$.
It's not always about $$.
Results of Honda/Acura HTO-06 Test _ Mobil 1
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The only thing missing here is which competitor synthetic oils were compared to Mobil 1.
Can you guys EVEN imagine if Amsoil published a graph like that?
No offense buster....
No offense buster....
I expected a little better from an admin.
Were you trying to be funny?
Those test charts on Mobil's site are VERY informative.
Thanks - that was my point. If Amsoil had a graph with:
1) Y axis labeled "Performance rating"
2) Amsoil 3X bar (than the next competitor)
3) Units of "Poor" to "Excellent"
4) And yes "Oil A" "Oil B...
You guys would split your shorts.
1) Y axis labeled "Performance rating"
2) Amsoil 3X bar (than the next competitor)
3) Units of "Poor" to "Excellent"
4) And yes "Oil A" "Oil B...
You guys would split your shorts.
Amsoil names the majors, but *NOT* the guys the same size as them. Ever see them name Redline or Royal Purple specifically?
As far as Mobil 1 goes, in the US market, EVERYONE is "the little guy". The non-Mobil-1 synthetics might be better, but they don't sell more in the retail channel.
As far as Mobil 1 goes, in the US market, EVERYONE is "the little guy". The non-Mobil-1 synthetics might be better, but they don't sell more in the retail channel.
And Amsoil has stated the reason for this. Why bring up the closest possible competition if your possible customers may have not heard of them?
But I thought this thread was about a crabby chart from M1. No graph interpretation geniuses?
But I thought this thread was about a crabby chart from M1. No graph interpretation geniuses?
That Mobil1 chart is a new low in marketing for the company. Shame on Mobil for that.
The whole point of this thread is that Mobil doesn't just buy their way in. Honda tested other oils and chose Mobil 1.
Sure, I would have much rather they put the name of the oils tested, but I'm sure Mobil is laughing all the way to the bank. The list of "OEM Factory Fill" cars they now have is incredible.
Regarding Amsoil, they won't test RL not bc of RL being a small company (Motul/Maxima were tested in the MC white paper) but bc RL always fires back. That is my opinion based on people I've spoken with about it. They do at least post the brand name of the competition.
Sure, I would have much rather they put the name of the oils tested, but I'm sure Mobil is laughing all the way to the bank. The list of "OEM Factory Fill" cars they now have is incredible.
Regarding Amsoil, they won't test RL not bc of RL being a small company (Motul/Maxima were tested in the MC white paper) but bc RL always fires back. That is my opinion based on people I've spoken with about it. They do at least post the brand name of the competition.
buster,
If you have been paying attention at all the past few years, you would not be surprised that a bunch of cost formulated, Group III based "synthetics" did not perform as well as even a basic PAO product. Particularly when it comes to the formuation of high temp deposits - which are NOT evident on a $20.00 oil analysis.
It's certainly no surprise to me or anybody else who's in this business.
Amsoil continues to test Redline in their lab - however there is no point in doing indirect advertising for much small competitors (nobody but oil geeks are aware of RL). The motorcycle situation is different, since oils such as Motul an Maxima are carried by many bike shops.
Ted
If you have been paying attention at all the past few years, you would not be surprised that a bunch of cost formulated, Group III based "synthetics" did not perform as well as even a basic PAO product. Particularly when it comes to the formuation of high temp deposits - which are NOT evident on a $20.00 oil analysis.
It's certainly no surprise to me or anybody else who's in this business.
Amsoil continues to test Redline in their lab - however there is no point in doing indirect advertising for much small competitors (nobody but oil geeks are aware of RL). The motorcycle situation is different, since oils such as Motul an Maxima are carried by many bike shops.
Ted
So I wonder who paid for the brochure and I wonder what that cost Mobil to buy their way in? What oils will they be testing next? (Seems rather "final")
No, buster THAT is EXACTLY what Mobil did. They paid for the test. They paid for the brochure. I think Mobil even helped develop the test. Talk about biased!
No, buster THAT is EXACTLY what Mobil did. They paid for the test. They paid for the brochure. I think Mobil even helped develop the test. Talk about biased!
Buster,
As tested, Feb of 2002:
Four Ball Wear Test, parameter #4 conditions (60kg load, 150C oil temp, 1800 rpms for 1 hr)
Amsoil Series 2000, 0.44 mm
Redline 20w-50, 0.73 mm (that's a very good score BTW)
All you had to do is ask...
TS
As tested, Feb of 2002:
Four Ball Wear Test, parameter #4 conditions (60kg load, 150C oil temp, 1800 rpms for 1 hr)
Amsoil Series 2000, 0.44 mm
Redline 20w-50, 0.73 mm (that's a very good score BTW)
All you had to do is ask...
TS
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