sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic?

Posted by: lucerne06

sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 02:40 PM

since a sentra 1.8 engine only is a 3 qt fill, do I need to change the oil more often using dino...or just put in a quality synthetic and run for one year...car does 7-8 thousand miles /yr
Posted by: Barkleymut

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 02:45 PM

Personally I would use a major brand syn and change at 5k if you are planning to own the car for 10 plus years. If not then change with conventional every 4k, or syn at 6k. Just mho
Posted by: Miller88

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 02:47 PM

What year? I thought they got rid of the 3 quart oil pans.
Posted by: whip

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 02:50 PM

I had a 98 that I ran dino oil for 5,000 miles. I gave the car to my brother in law with over 200,000 miles, and the engine ran fine. The body will rust away before the engine fails due to oil.
Posted by: lucerne06

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 03:28 PM

2004
Posted by: Corvette Owner

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 03:41 PM

My 2006 Nissan Murano 3.5 liter V6 takes only 4.3 quarts of oil
Posted by: Merkava_4

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:02 PM

A three quart oil pan is a death sentence for any kind of car engine.

Nissan actually says 2.9 quarts. Unbelievable.
Posted by: stang5

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:06 PM

My 1991 pathfinder with its 3.0 V6 only holds 3.25 QTS, I change oil and filter every 4k miles with 5w30 Dino and it now has 235K miles with Zero oil consumption. Will start using Fram ultra and run it for 3 OCI..
Posted by: jayg

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
A three quart oil pan is a death sentence for any kind of car engine.

Nissan actually says 2.9 quarts. Unbelievable.


Not really. I had over 400 horsepower at the wheels in a sr20det with a 3.5 qt sump in a Nissan 240sx 10 years ago and it never missed a beat for years. That was with mobil 1 10w30. I changed it every 5k of track abuse and hot temperatures. Those motors had cooling fins in the head and oil squiters. So while not ideal, it is definitely not a death sentence.

With a little commuter, I would do the cheapest conventional 5w30 on sale and change it every 4k.
Posted by: Doog

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: lucerne06
since a sentra 1.8 engine only is a 3 qt fill, do I need to change the oil more often using dino...or just put in a quality synthetic and run for one year...car does 7-8 thousand miles /yr


Synthetic and run it 5000. If you want to increase the sump volume you can always add a large oil cooler.
Posted by: 901Memphis

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:23 PM

Mobil 1 EP once a year. Slightly over fill it if you can and top up if it goes anywhere below full.
Posted by: Kindfiend

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
A three quart oil pan is a death sentence for any kind of car engine.

Nissan actually says 2.9 quarts. Unbelievable.


I've been a long time lurker here at Bitog. I own a 2001 Sentra 1.8. I can confirm that the oil capacity is 2 7/8 quarts. While I enjoy the low cost oil changes, I have used Mobil 1 since I bought the car with 36k miles and changed it every 5k.

The QG18DE is not hard on oil, but I do worry about the low capacity. Combined with an idiot light that only comes on when you have NO oil, it can be nerve racking if you have even a small oil leak.

I've also noticed the Nissan Oil filters I've been using are smaller than before, which means it's even slightly less than 2.9 Quarts.

If you could elaborate, why would you say it's a death sentence? I have thought about adding an Oil Cooler. My car doesn't come with one stock since it's a M/T.
Posted by: JTK

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:26 PM

Yeah that 2.9qt capacity was around for quite some time and I don't believe I've ever heard of a lubrication related issue with one. We bought a new Nissan Sentra GXE back in 2001 that had the ~2.9qt sump.
Posted by: accent2012

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:36 PM

My old 1996 Sentra w/ the 1.6L engine had a 3.5qt sump, so does my new car, the hyundai accent.

It's typical for foreign cars, whereas most domestics have a higher sump quantity.

My friends 2.3L Ford Escape takes 5 quarts but my Uncles 4.7L OHV V8 Durango takes 5 quarts as well.
Posted by: glock19

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 04:51 PM

Those Sentras are tough little cars. I'm pretty sure my co-worker never changed the oil and that car ran forever.

I think you could probably get away with changing once a year with a high quality synthetic. That said, I'd change at 5K for piece of mind.
Posted by: fdcg27

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: whip
I had a 98 that I ran dino oil for 5,000 miles. I gave the car to my brother in law with over 200,000 miles, and the engine ran fine. The body will rust away before the engine fails due to oil.


Your engine apparently didn't get the memo from Merkava.
Posted by: 147_Grain

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 05:23 PM

With only a 3 quart sump, suggest you consider a quality synthetic and change the oil and filter every 6 months with all the short trips that only add up to 7 or 8K annually.
Posted by: Oregoonian

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 06:24 PM

If your driving habits are not severe (you take longer hwy trips 2 or 3 time a month, my suggestion would be the following;
Mobil1 1 (guaranteed to 10K), and change once a year (7 to 8K). A good mid-range filter such as a Pureolator PureOne, should be able to handle the filtering issue.

If your vehicle is exclusively a 'short tripper', then Mobile 1, and change out every 5000. You then can go to a Pureolator CLASSIC filter.
Posted by: mongo161

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 06:43 PM

Whatever Dino oil that is on sale, even store brand oils, as long as they meet the specs.

For a vehicle like a Sentra.....less is better. Don't throw good money out the window when the vehicle is perfectly fine with running conventional oil.
Posted by: mongo161

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 06:44 PM

Whatever Dino oil that is on sale, even store brand oils, as long as they meet the specs.

For a vehicle like a Sentra.....less is better. Don't throw good money out the window when the vehicle is perfectly fine with running conventional oil.
Posted by: lucerne06

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 08:09 PM

thanks all
Posted by: dave1251

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 08:12 PM

I have to agree twice.

A friend has one just as old as yours with over 200K miles.

I can not argue with success.
Posted by: turtlevette

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 09:28 PM

I'd use the best quality synthetic oil I could find and change it every 3000 miles.
Posted by: Zaedock

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 09:32 PM

Well, then that would be a big waste.
Posted by: steve20

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
I'd use the best quality synthetic oil I could find and change it every 3000 miles.





don't forget to use an Ultra filter as well
Posted by: turtlevette

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Well, then that would be a big waste.


better to waste a little than risk a lot.

The Valvoline engine insurance is based on a 3000 mi oil change.


Whatta we talking? "Wasting" 50 bucks a year?



Posted by: Zaedock

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:09 PM

He doesn't risk anything. Show me any difference in protection or wear with syn vs conventional in a 3,000 mile interval. You won't find the data.

It's an economy car, not a Bugatti. I'd rather spend the $50 on morning coffee on the way to work.
Posted by: dave1251

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:16 PM

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
better to waste a little than risk a lot.



You are the one that believes using a little too "thin" lube is better than using one that is a little too "thick".

This is a bit contradictory is it not?
Posted by: turtlevette

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
It's an economy car, not a Bugatti.


So if it was a Bugatti you would do synthetic 3K intervals?

If he finds clearance oil and filters at AZ or Walmart and does his own changes probably more like wasting 20 a year.

We spend 1000s on taxes, insurance, maintenance etc. What's another 20 bucks?
Posted by: dave1251

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
It's an economy car, not a Bugatti.


So if it was a Bugatti you would do synthetic 3K intervals?

If he finds clearance oil and filters at AZ or Walmart and does his own changes probably more like wasting 20 a year.

We spend 1000s on taxes, insurance, maintenance etc. What's another 20 bucks?





Waste of resources with diminishing value.
Posted by: Zaedock

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
It's an economy car, not a Bugatti.


So if it was a Bugatti you would do synthetic 3K intervals?

If he finds clearance oil and filters at AZ or Walmart and does his own changes probably more like wasting 20 a year.

We spend 1000s on taxes, insurance, maintenance etc. What's another 20 bucks?





If I owned a Bugatti, I would use the recommended lubricant to the OE interval.

The OP's car is an '04 Sentra. Recommending synthetic to a 3,000 mile interval is completely asinine. There is no reason to spend the money if you do not have to.
Posted by: Merkava_4

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:29 PM

The oiling system is a closed loop. 3 quarts will go around the loop twice as many times as 6 quarts will.
Posted by: Pat in Speedway

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 10:50 PM

I bought my '06 Sentra from the original owner a couple of years ago. It's got 175K miles and still going strong. My only complaint is the less than stellar mileage (low 30's highway), but I knew that going in.

I've run Amsoil XL since I've had it and change it in the spring and fall with a Wix filter. Due to budget constraints, I'm moving over to Mobil 1 HM (or EP if on sale) and continuing with the same spring (10w-30)/fall (5w-30) drain schedule. With the Amsoil it never needed a drop added in between changes, which was about 7-8K miles before reducing my commute last fall by some 7,000 miles/year with a new job. Looking forward to dropping in the Mobil 1 EP I picked up on sale to see if there are any noticeable changes. An interesting thing to note on this engine, Nissan does approve 10w-40 in the engine. Don't think I'd run that thick in there, but then again, if I hang on to it a few more years...

Posted by: JOD

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 03/31/14 11:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
The oiling system is a closed loop. 3 quarts will go around the loop twice as many times as 6 quarts will.


The flip side is that the oil and the engine is going to get up to temperature a more qickly. Considering the length of the average trip in a car, that's a good thing.

Add me to the list of people who've put >200K miles on an SR20DE with no issues. I used a full synthetic for 10K intervals (Amsoil 0W30) since it had a tiny sump, and it was sparkling clean when the teenager I sold it to wrapped it around a telephone pole...
Posted by: KrisZ

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 04/01/14 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: turtlevette

So if it was a Bugatti you would do synthetic 3K intervals?

If he finds clearance oil and filters at AZ or Walmart and does his own changes probably more like wasting 20 a year.

We spend 1000s on taxes, insurance, maintenance etc. What's another 20 bucks?



If I owned a Bugatti, I would use the recommended lubricant to the OE interval.
The OP's car is an '04 Sentra. Recommending synthetic to a 3,000 mile interval is completely asinine. There is no reason to spend the money if you do not have to.


Spot on Zaedock! thumbsup

I've seen this time and time again on BITOG. When someone with a clear bias and no desire to learn something new runs out of logical arguments (in a lot of cases it's rather quick wink ), they will start throwing "cheap insurance", "what's another XX bucks?", "I use the best for my baby", etc.
In other words, there is no sense wasting your time. They will continue to spew nonsense and nothing will stop that.
Posted by: lucerne06

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 04/01/14 12:50 PM

nissan says 3,750 miles between oil changes.
Posted by: lucerne06

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 04/04/14 08:50 AM

the car does warm up quick...i believe I read it has a iron block..is that true.??
Posted by: Zaedock

Re: sentra 1.8 only a 3 qt fill...dino or synthethtic? - 04/04/14 09:22 AM

Pop the hood and take a look.