Citgo Transgard Multi Purpose ATF

[shoz123]

It doesn't specifically say it is Mercon V rated but the specs look pretty good. Can it be used in a Ford Mercon V tranny?

Gravity, ASTM D 4052 API 32.9
Flash Point 208C
Pour Point -48C
Viscosity
cSt @ 40C 30.99, cSt @ 100C 7.14
cP @ 20C 1,185
cP @ -40C 18,950
Viscosity index 205

 

[Whitewolf]

It doesn't look that great to me even viewing this sparse information. 18950cP at -40C! It looks to me like a not very good DEXRON-IIIG at best!

 

[Tempest]

I don't often agree with Whitewolf

, but I do this time. Viscosity index 205 = LOTS of VII = lots of sheering...stay away from this stuff.

 

[Whitewolf]

'I don't often agree with Whitewolf'

Just don't make a habit of it or there will be no fun.

 

[unDummy]

If it doesn't say it can be used in Mercon-V applications, don't use it there. Pretty simple.

The fluids spec's look like a regular DexronIII/Mercon. It doesn't meet the Mercon-V cold weather performance. It doesn't mention being a synthetic blend like most other Mercon-V's.

 

[Whitewolf]

Well if it was a synthetic it would certainly illustrate that they have some sort of special 'skill' to formulate it (the fluid) to have such borderline low temp performance compared to most modern spec requirements.

 

[Steelhead]

this is what you want
http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/464988.pdf

Viscosity, ASTM D 445, cSt at 40°C 37
Viscosity, ASTM D 445, cSt at 100°C 7.8
Viscosity, ASTM D 2161, SUS at 100°F 186
Viscosity, ASTM D 2161, SUS at 210°F 52
Viscosity, ASTM D 2983, cP at -40°C 9,000
Viscosity, cP at -20°C 900
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 199
Pour Point, ASTM D 97, °F (°C) -65 (-54)
Color Red
4-Ball Wear Test (MERCON V Procedure)
40 kg, 2 hours, 600 rpm, 150°C 0.39

 

[Steelhead]

even better
http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/965643.pdf

Gravity, ASTM D 237, °API 37.1
Specific Gravity, D 4052 0.839
Density, lb/gal 6.99
Color Red
Flash Point ASTM D 92, °F (°C) 432 (222)
Viscosity ASTM D 445,
cSt at 100°C 7.25
cSt at 40°C 36.5
Viscosity Index 171
Brookfield Viscosity ASTM D-2983
cP at -40°C 8,200
cP at -20°C 1,025
Pour Point ASTM D-97, °F (°C) Total Acid Number, ASTM D 664, mg KOH/gm 1.03
4-Ball Wear, ASTM D 4172 0.48
40kg, 1200 rpm, 1 hour,
Cold Cranking Simulator, ASTM D 5293, cP at -30°C 2260

 

[unDummy]

Quote:

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even better
http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/965643.pdf

Does Quatrasyn mention 'Mercon-V' as required by the thread starter?

 

[LubeMan]

As most of you must have noticed - it does not meet the Mercon V low temperature viscosity limits. DO NOT USE this product. Its just a low cost version of Dex III / Mercon fluid - which will shear down.

 

[Whitewolf]

Will it shear? You bet, big time I would guess!

 

[Steelhead]

email from Citgo
CITGO QuatraSyn full synthetic ATF would be highly recommended for use in applications calling for Mercon V quality lubricants.

Sincerely,

Mike Labus
CITGO Lubricants Answer Line

and
http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/965643.pdf

QuatraSyn is recommended for use in all GM and Ford Transmissions except those calling for
Ford Type F and all CVT Fluids.

 

[Steelhead]

QuatraSyn MSDS
http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/965017.pdf

Component Name(s)
1-Decene homopolymer, hydrogenated 68037-01-4 20 - 70
1-Decene trimer, hydrogenated 68649-12-7 10 - 60
Alkylated aromatic compound Proprietary 5 - 20
Mineral oil Mixture 1 - 5
Proprietary Ingredients Proprietary Mixture 1 - 5

 

[Tempest]

Looks like good stuff...a true Grp IV (with that little bit of mineral carrier oil

). 4 ball test not quite as good as Amsoil's..

The "Alkylated aromatic compound" has me very puzzled though.

Aromatics are usually associated with solvents, that have high volatility. Not good for trans fluid. The MSDS only shows low volatility??

Any ideas?

 

[unDummy]

Proprietary? I wouldn't make a 'solvent' assumption just yet. Could be similar to the AN's that Mobil uses. Quote from a Mobil patent: The inclusion of alkylated aromatic base fluids, such as alkylated naphthalene, blending stocks with polyalphaolefin base fluids provides significant performance improvements in oxidation stability, solubility, elastomer compatibility and hydrolytic stability.

With all the groupIII is just as good as groupIV debates, its still interesting to see the stoutest OEM DexronIII ever made is a full PAO synthetic! I doubt that TES-295 leaves ANY room for 'fillers'.

 

[Tempest]

Ahhh....good call with the alkylated naphthalene or similar.

I didn't think about that. It does sound right though.

 

[shoz123]

Yes I took the stuff back. It is really hard to find even Mercon V around here in central Illinois. I'm just going to order some more Amsoil.....